Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments

[kamiyama]

I appreciate the increased knowledge thanks to both parties

[Come-from-Beyond]

1. Was not refuted, tonych claimed Byteball has better usability, which is true. Byteball does have private untraceable and usable payments, which are more secure as its implementation is easier than Zcash and similar coins (as seen from Komodo debacle).

2. Byteball does not have a blockchain. The Byteball database as it is today does compress well. Go back to your IOTA thread.

3. I claimed PoW and IoT are oxymorons, PoW in the context of IOTA is worthless, for bitcoin I stated it does add anti-Sybil, while you claimed bitcoin doesnt have anti-Sybil defense.

Nice to see you troll here again, raises at least this thread to top of Announcement.

1. Now you have moved your goalpost.
2. I already explained why you are wrong and DAG/chain doesn't affect this at all. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory.
3. While we could continue arguing on the first half you still lied about the second one. Do you see how low you have fallen?

[SatoNatomato]

Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.

pulling a confidence trick to scam people later.

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products, and after careful consideration of both these, I pick Byteball over IOTA.

Seriously, you expected usually battery-driven devices (Internet of Things), which has < 100Mhz CPU with shitty instructions/s, memory in the 128kb range, flash-"disk" of 1MB, which struggles to perform concurrent HTTPS-connections... to do Proof-of-WORK, to transact with other devices? On these IoT devices every watt counts, every awake-sleep cycle matters, and you want them to, I cant even finish this, its so laughable.

Get over your hurt ego, you knew nothing of IoT when you began your dumb coin, and probably dont even now, so stick to scamming cryptonerds and altcoin investors, promise them Big Enterprise cooperation, exchanges etc, pump up the value and cash out like you always do.  


 

[Come-from-Beyond]

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products...

Of course, no proofs of this statement?

[SatoNatomato]

1. Now you have moved your goalpost.
2. I already explained why you are wrong and DAG/chain doesn't affect this at all. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory.
3. While we could continue arguing on the first half you still lied about the second one. Do you see how low you have fallen?

1. No you moved yours, really mature argument you have there.

2. Anybody in here can grab todays copy of Byteball database which is around 1.4GB and it compresses with gzip -9 down to 300MB.

Go and dwell some more on kindergarden reading classes, since you obviously fail in reading comprehension.

[Come-from-Beyond]

1. No you moved yours, really mature argument you have there.

Let's recall how it was:

Id say the blackbytes + Tor support makes Byteball more secure and anonymous than even Monero or Zcash.

I hope noone will really believe the quoted words, or they may find themselves in serious troubles...

Now you are just trolling and spreading fear with only these three dots ... to back it up, because your own shit coin iota is worthless.

@tonych, do you support the claim of SatoNatomato the Expert?

I think the privacy features of all 3 coins are more or less the same for most practical purposes.   What differs, and what matters most for regular users, is usability.

Thx, I'll use this together with other fuckups of SatoNatomato (which he will, of course, make in the future) to show the real level of his "competence".

Another appeal to authority argument.  

I still stand by my words, regardless what tonych thinks, respectfully disagree.

So, once again, what do you "respectfully disagree" with?

PS: I'll prepare the answer for #2, you can start making excuses for the above in the meanwhile.

[SatoNatomato]

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products...

Of course, no proofs of this statement?

Son, you really think I look up to you so I have to prove something to you? And that would be doxxing myself?

Nice try to derail from your failure.

Iota. IoT.... Proof-of-Work...https://media.giphy.com/media/isP4TLqhjm3zq/giphy.gif

[Come-from-Beyond]

2. Anybody in here can grab todays copy of Byteball database which is around 1.4GB and it compresses with gzip -9 down to 300MB.

Here we go:

How much hdd space do I need to download full DAG today? Is DAG somehow limited in size, or someone can make billions of transactions and bloat it?

Please read the OP:

The fees paid for storing one’s transactions (or any other data) in the Byteball database are equal to the size of the data being stored.  If the size of your transaction data is 500 bytes, you pay exactly 500 bytes (the native currency of Byteball) in fees.

So what? With a fee of 50$ someone can make DAG twice as big overnight? With a fee 500$ can make it 10 gb more? There is people who can do this just for fun. Is there some prunning mechanism what will allow to cut old transactions from database?

There isn't. I'm pointing this out for a long time but nobody is listening. Byteball has the same scalability problem like any other blockchain with adjustable blocksize limit. Database grows indefinitely and hardware and bandwith are the limiting factors. Moreover if somebody wants to attack byteball by sending huge data to the database it''s pretty easy and cheap at the current price. 8 years old Bitcoin blockchain nears 100 GB and you can make byteball database that big in 1 day for just $6700.

we definitely need an explanation from dev about it.

I dont think the problem exists today, of too fast growth too big load on nodes, hence low priority task. 100GB for bitcoin database is small anyway, compare with how much storage a random bank requires to run its business? Byteball database does grow fast, it can compress well, there can be other implementations to make it even smaller.

It's quite obvious that once people start to care about their GBs they'll do everything to spend as less them on fees as possible. It's a no-brainer to compress data before pushing them to Byteball storage. As the result most of data in Byteball DB will already have near-max entropy. At this point lossless compressing won't give noticeable benefit.

I hope you get now why that your post was misleading...

[Come-from-Beyond]

Son, you really think I look up to you so I have to prove something to you? And that would be doxxing myself?

Nice try to derail from your failure.

Iota. IoT.... Proof-of-Work...https://media.giphy.com/media/isP4TLqhjm3zq/giphy.gif

We could find a 3rd party agent who will act as an escrow and will verify your claim without giving any information to me. How much are you willing to bet?

[SatoNatomato]

This is what you are trying to bury in a hurry.

Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.

pulling a confidence trick to scam people later.

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products, and after careful consideration of both these, I pick Byteball over IOTA.

Seriously, you expected usually battery-driven devices (Internet of Things), which has < 100Mhz CPU with shitty instructions/s, memory in the 128kb range, flash-"disk" of 1MB, which struggles to perform concurrent HTTPS-connections... to do Proof-of-WORK, to transact with other devices? On these IoT devices every watt counts, every awake-sleep cycle matters, and you want them to, I cant even finish this, its so laughable.

Get over your hurt ego, you knew nothing of IoT when you began your dumb coin, and probably dont even now, so stick to scamming cryptonerds and altcoin investors, promise them Big Enterprise cooperation, exchanges etc, pump up the value and cash out like you always do.  

[Come-from-Beyond]

To make sure you see this:

We could find a 3rd party agent who will act as an escrow and will verify your claim without giving any information to me. How much are you willing to bet?

[SatoNatomato]

To make sure you see this:

We could find a 3rd party agent who will act as an escrow and will verify your claim without giving any information to me. How much are you willing to bet?

No. My identity and workplace is irrelevant.

Thats a poor defense when you have done uninformed decisions when making your scamcoin. You dont matter anyway, even if I would prove through 3rd party, what then, would you change Iota to not use PoW? Haha.

Iota... IoT... and Proof-of-Work.  

Here we are instead, my department developing a IoT products with Byteball. No proof-of-work, the "work" is in websocket tls, hashing and signing with secp256k1 curve, that is all for making Byteball transcations!

That is all there is to it, its simple yet so beautiful.

BTC-Oracle is genius, marvelous! Also for showing us developers how we can make our own oracle, ETH-Oracle, so our IoT-chips will be able to participate in a marketplace where value can be expressed as all btc, eth and GBYTE! We can even run our own BTC-Oracle and have our IoT chips trust it!

Can you now imagine how awesome! IoT marketplace for many cryptocoins, all with Byteball which already can run on IoTdevice without any special hardware.

(of course you cant you are iota dev with small weak mind and hurt ego and think someone else actually deciding Byteball is better must be a scammer, lol).

[Come-from-Beyond]

No...

...my department...

I think at this point everyone understands that you lie. I bet in few weeks you'll be saying "my company".

What about this?

So, once again, what do you "respectfully disagree" with?

[Come-from-Beyond]

Can you now imagine how awesome!

I can, unlike you (personally), we do work on that.

[SatoNatomato]

No...

...my department...

I think at this point everyone understands that you lie. I bet in few weeks you'll be saying "my company".

What about this?

So, once again, what do you "respectfully disagree" with?

Its not my own department, I am merely a Principal Developer in a department.

Stop embarrassing yourself, and go back to your Iota coin.

[Come-from-Beyond]

No...

...my department...

I think at this point everyone understands that you lie. I bet in few weeks you'll be saying "my company".

What about this?

So, once again, what do you "respectfully disagree" with?

Its not my own department, I am merely a Principal Developer in a department.

Stop embarrassing yourself, and go back to your Iota coin.

Ok, I assume I won't get an answer on what you respectfully disagreed with. I suspect the others are tired reading our convo, we'll continue after your next fuckup. I'm sure this will happen.

[SatoNatomato]

Ok, I assume I won't get an answer on what you respectfully disagreed with. I suspect the others are tired reading our convo, we'll continue after your next fuckup. I'm sure this will happen.

The only fuckup is you and IOTA, and your poor taste and embarrassing lies in this Byteball thread.

[jwinterm]

Maybe Come-from-Beyond is working on implementing proof-of-trolling-competitor-threads 

Honestly man, if you want to have a dick waving contest with satonatomoto go do it in your own thread or in the altcoin discussion section. You're just making yourself look petty and like you have waaaaay too much time on your hands constantly posting here.

Or don't. Whatever.

[zanzibar]

You're just making yourself look petty and like you have waaaaay too much time on your hands constantly posting here.

Wait until Iota moons and CFB is rich and doesn't have to work anymore 

[Come-from-Beyond]

Honestly man, if you want to have a dick waving contest with satonatomoto go do it in your own thread or in the altcoin discussion section.

No, thx, I'll just keep reading this thread highlighting SatoNatomato's lies.