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3421  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 on: July 07, 2022, 09:56:01 AM
2022 so far aggregates to an equivalent of almost 52 M $, though the figure is still around small and represents around 1.6% of all remittances received by the country in aggregate. Still a seemingly shy figure thus so far.

The good news is that it seems like it's climbing, the bad news is that is almost 1/3 of the first month where probably everyone was trying to figure out what this is and how it works. Diving a bit into those numbers, looking at the average remittance being $195, picking the option of paying in cash at a WU location and cash pick-up in Salvador too (which is not the cheapest), it costs 8$ for 200$, so it means that in the last month Salvadorians have avoided around $500 000 in fees over WU.

Of course, that goes both ways as cash locations offices in Salvador will get a share of that so the money is not completely lost, plus there is the cost with all those ATMs, the infrastructure for them so right now the government is probably heavily subsiding something that has little effect overall. Numbers really need to pick up by an order of magnitude to see some results.

Anyhow, nice that they finally publish some numbers as for a while it seemed that transparency was their last priority
Now I really want to hear some updates on that built for mining brand new geothermal plant  Roll Eyes


3422  Economy / Economics / Re: Zimbabwe resorts to gold coins as local currency tumbles on: July 07, 2022, 09:40:52 AM
The internet cost is huge for Zimbabwe and they are almost paying $75 for 1 GB data throughout their country.
This means, if I am an individual who wish to use any desktop wallet for bitcoin which is usually 200-500 MB in size, I would end up paying $40 bucks just to download the wallet!

That's a myth and it was because BBC used an already out od date exchange rate which nobody cared about but stayed there on official sites.
https://zimfact.org/does-1gig-of-data-cost-us75-in-zimbabwe-as-claimed-by-the-bbc/

Besides, electrum is just 40MB and is designed exactly to be lightweight, you won't be reaching that 1GB in years you would exceed that way faster by browsing WoT or looking at cat pics, and when I say faster I mean a few days.


There is alot of benefit for approval of bitcoin in Zimbabwe and one is that those Zimbabweans working out of the shores of there country can transfer money home through bitcoin and that can rejuvenate their economy through investment and hodling naturally may increase individual earnings and the currency can get back in value.

What would be the difference between adopting USD or BTC for the average citizen?
First, they would have to get those BTC , which is the same thing s trying to get USD with a failed currency and will do exactly the same damage to the economy, everyone will rush to sell Zimbabwe currency and buy coins, destroying the peg even more as obviously nobody wants their currency. And after that, where will the money and investment come from magically? In order for the population to make a profit on their bitcoin purchase, they would have to sell it to others at a higher price, you see the vicious circle here?

Bitcoin is money, you need money in order to get money, in order to invest you need to let that money go, it's not something magical, oh we bought 100 BTC our economy will thrive.

Satoshi didn't create Bitcoin to rejuvenate the industry or make some holders rich and never pretend to be a magical cure for everything.
Bitcoin is perfect at transferring value without intermediaries, but in order to do that, you need to have that value in the first place.



3423  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is trading really worth it? on: July 06, 2022, 09:06:11 PM
Math can’t predict human irrationally and politics, technical analysis wont change anything about that.
How do you think that trade is analysed, charted and mapped out? Or how do you think forcast or speculation is made? Most are from technical analysis. Technical analysis is what holds the trend more. After news or fundamental (such news in adoption) then the trend forms and continues that way through technical analysis you can know that. Or after news the trend can continue if it is not of high impact.

And how accurate have TA and charts predicted the situation we're now in?
Have charts and TA predicted the dump when Elon had nothing better to do than tweet pro and against bitoin?
Have charts predicted the slump when Covid hit? Have charts predicted the dump when Russia invaded Ukraine?

Every single time I look at all those "experts" claiming to know where the price is heading I look at their history and see how they were wrong tens of times, with the same logic they use in creating charts after charts after charts.

Guessing the price when it comes to crypto is just gambling, but nobody wants to admit they are just doing guesswork based on nothing.
There is no production capacity, there is no number of rigs, there is no cost for shipping, there is no accurate daily consumption and inventories, and all the data you have when trading oil for example, in cryptos you have nothing! Nothing!
3424  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Voyager has filed for bankruptcy in NY court. Deposits there in serious risk. on: July 06, 2022, 08:54:57 PM
This is an alarming news which might cause more FUD to the crypto market.
It will truly bring FUD

Do you guys even know what FUD means or is it like some sutra chanting for you?
FUD -  Fear, uncertainity and doubt!

Where the hell is the uncertainty and doubt about this?
It's a damn FACT, Voyager has filed for bankruptcy, you have the damn filling just above in the first post, it's as clear as day, voyager is done for!
All of those companies dropping like flies from 3AC, Vauld, Babel kept on life support right now, with their own employees are fleeing and some of you say this is FUD?

I thought Celcius will be the one who will apply for this but I guess Celcius still have balls to stand on this crypto market dipshit.
 

Celsius not Celcius had the balls to take user funds hostage and rob them, that's all the balls they've had.
3425  Economy / Economics / Re: Zimbabwe resorts to gold coins as local currency tumbles on: July 06, 2022, 07:06:12 PM
The devil is in the details, as always

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"The gold coins will be available for sale to the public from 25 July 2022 in both local currency (ZW$) and United States Dollars (US$) (and other foreign currencies) at a price based on the prevailing international price of gold and the cost of production. The coins will be sold through the Bank and its subsidiaries, Fidelity Gold Refinery (Private) Limited and Aurex (Private) Limited, local banks and selected international banking partners. Entities selling the coins shall be required to apply Know Your Customer (KYC) principles.

So what they are trying to do here is get some more funding for their gold reserves that are getting turned into coins, it's basically selling gold at an extra price and not trying to revive the gold standard or anything else.

Coins will be more like collectibles with their own serial number, you'll have to go though KYC and good luck actually trying to use it as something in the real economy, it does say it can be used but how will this actually work? Gold coins were more used in video games than in actual life, from antiquity to the middle ages people used silver coins and often they would split those into two or 4 pieces to cover purchases and depending on the country and age resort to copper pieces for change.

This coin will have ~30 grams, so ~$1700, how could you use it for more than 0.1% of the situations there?



3426  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bank of America reported a 50% decline of active cryptocurrency users. on: July 06, 2022, 06:40:55 PM
To me, this sounds like FUD news

Of course of course, if it's not positive and it's not about laser eyes, the price at 1 million soon it's FUD.

What do you expect with a declining price, with shitcoins getting trashed into oblivion, with the NFT madness dying down, with play-to-earn blockchain 'games" losing millions of players? The amount of money available in crypto has shrunk nearly 3 times, there is less money floating around, and there is less incentive to trade and invest.

Look at the number of blockchain transactions:
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/n-transactions



Despite getting a next block confirmation with 2 satoshi per byte the number of actual transactions is way lower than two years ago, people are either hoarding or ditching usage altogether, and people holding coins in their cold wallets can't be called "active users".
It's pretty normal, it's a bearish trend and until the price goes up again you will not see an increase in active users, it simply doesn't work so.




3427  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Heliosfund.io - Scam fintech and mining venture with 300% APR on: July 06, 2022, 04:27:59 PM
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Yeah, like moths drawn to fire, here comes another scammer spamming his fake recovery service, hopefully, all the messages will get nuked before he manages to scam some victim.

i'm sorry for you but being the thread public everybody can evaluate the legitimacy of our proposition. In fact, every doubt you had has been well explained, no problems at all from our side. 

You have zero legitimacy just as you have zero licenses, zero projects, zero assets, and zero plans other than scamming some poor victims who ouwl believe the load of crap on your website that changes every quarter according to the hype you want to attach your "project" too.
If you had any legitimacy you would show something from your mining operations that should have been working for years now and at the rates claimed you should afford easily to start your business without begging on go fund me ...

But the fact that you just copy-pasted the same message on both threads is a bit reassuring, you're running low on credible excuses.



3428  Economy / Economics / Re: Unemplyment at least 50% how world will look like then ? on: July 06, 2022, 04:11:54 PM
I think portugal and spain have both endured youth unemployment statistics near to 50% for their age bracket of 19 to 24. It would seem parts of europe have already achieved 50% unemployment for some segments of the population.

Those are regional things, it's mostly because of particular situations and also a lot of mentalities of the populations.
All over Europe there are different things, from low unemployment when it comes to women in Italy for example, to youngsters in most southern countries to overall less willingness to work in the true economy and more in the black, unregulated in the eastern parts...and so on

Anyhow, when it comes to Europe the employment levels are sky-high, even in Spain,
Spain sees record employment levels since 2008, the EU is experiencing the highest level of labor participation in its history,  74.5 %, it's full 10 and in some cases, even 20% higher than other countries in the world and I'm not talking about 3rd world economies.

I'm not sure but according to what I found from google the unemployment rate is increseing in all over the world not just in the USA

Not at all, the EU is experiencing the lowest unemployment in its history:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/euro-zone-unemployment-falls-new-record-low-66-may-2022-06-30/
the lowest level since 1998.


3429  Economy / Economics / Re: Sensational Push For Cryptocurrencies As US Fed on: July 06, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
I have not read anywhere in the article that anything other than CBDC and stablecoins is explicitly mentioned, so I do not think that Bitcoin could benefit from this.

Well technically, both of them are cryptocurrency so that would be an excuse for such a clickbaitish title..
Anyhow, the rest of the article is pretty much garbage and the obvious thing about it is that they link older articles of their own in order to boost the credibility of the story, so it's just recycled news with little to no meaning.

If we go to the original document:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/the-feds-inaugural-conference-on-the-international-roles-of-the-us-dollar-20220705.htm
the sensational push becomes a pull, since the only time cryptos are mentioned in in this context:

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Asani Sarkar and Jiakai Chen focus on digital assets and argue that part of the demand for some cryptocurrencies, like Bitcoin, is driven by the desire to evade capital controls. Using information for China, the research shows persistent and statistically significant differences between Bitcoin prices in multiple exchanges and that it trades at a premium on Chinese exchanges relative to foreign exchanges.

How such an attitude is positive for BTC is beyond me.

3430  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: July 05, 2022, 01:15:39 PM
The most important factor for the success of nations adopting Bitcoin as legal tender is political will. If the leaders are sincere and have no hidden agenda for the adoption of Bitcoin then the process would prosper.  Sincerity and seriousness would make them channel the necessary human, financial and material resources to ensure that the necessary systems and infrastructures are available for the smooth running of Bitcoin processes. From what I have read from the BIP show today, I believe or perceive that CAR have the political will.

And as time passes...

Unlike the unshaken and practical political will of the government of El Salvador, the Central African Republic adoption of Bitcoin as a legal has been viewed in some quarters as lacking merit and credibility. The Sango website has been closed (just giving countdowns) and the online framework document cannot be found. The whole Bitcoin issue in CAR is becoming very complex and complicated to understand. But government’s introduction of its own Sango coin is seems like a conscious attempt to shift citizen’s attention away from Bitcoin. Instead of putting more effort for the uses of Bitcoin, government would rather promote its own coin that could be controlled and manipulated by the CAR government.

The mirage is slowly disappearing and instead of the beautiful oasis, you still get that hyena den full of the bones of the ones that believe in it.
I always said, no matter how you build something, no matter how bulletproof the concept is if the foundation is weak if the people who are building it are cheating on the materials and on the plan, you will not be able to build anything.
This whole trend of corrupt, poor as hell, bankrupt countries suddenly embracing BTC and wow, everything will be fine just because..

I laughed when there was that meeting in Salvador and everyone got angry when I said, those are the poorest countries in the world, those are the countries that have been driven to absolute poverty by the same leaders who are smiling there for photos after steeping from their limos and taking toast in front of a BATM, what do you expect from them?
Just because they are embracing BTC in their political statements do you think they will be less corrupt, they will lie less often, they will finally do something for their own people, the first time in 50 years just because.... what???

You need a solid foundation for a solid economy if the foundation is flawed to the core (insert pun about the fiasco of the bitcoin foundation here) nothing can help.

And look what we have here now, a centralized shitcoin backed by one of the worse companies, how is this shitcoin going to help anything other the pockets of its creators?
3431  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There is a Museum of Bitcoin Mining History in Caracas, Venezuela on: July 05, 2022, 01:01:22 PM
Looks excellent the museum

Seriously? You're using a word spinner on the post just above yours?
I thought we got rid of those plagiarists but seems like they are coming back..

It’s a private initiative from a group of established miners in Venezuela. The rather lengthy 2021 article from Criptonoticias gives a thorough description of what to expect from the Museum: cpu motherboards, GPU video cards, fpga, all sorts of asic equipment - there being an area that displays modern mining equipment for sale (probable the ulterior goal), a bitcoin asic miner pool (demo at the time and perhaps still now, since they did not have the state permission to mine there), and a crypto bar …

I think it's more like a crypto mining museum, not just bitcoin
I can see a D3 there which mines blake, a Z9  which is equihash, L3 which is scrypt so probably every single thing Bitmain made an ASIC for is over there.

I wonder if they are going to be able to get a lot of the older miners and ones that had limited production runs.

With enough money you can get everything, there is a guy selling a BL Jalapeno for 500$, I saw some Neptunes, a Cointerra might be harder to get  Grin Grin

3432  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BestChange is protecting scammers on: July 05, 2022, 10:38:45 AM
This is a very controversial story because it is based on ideological differences.

This is so rich coming from the guys who told all their members in the signature campaign that they have to either avoid discussing anything about a "special operation" or quit wearing their signature.

Facts, and not ideological differences
- a user's funds were frozen and both you and the scammer exchanged claimed it was because AML regulation, AML and FATF regulations demand that you freeze those assets and you inform the authorities which will then pursue this case
- suddenly when you face a serious backslash on the forum, AML regulations were forgotten and the SCAM exchange you're listing on your website released the funds 9contrarty to the law) taking a 10% cut, again unlawfully
- the SCAM exchange then decided to update its terms and conditions to some lunatic ones, that probably everyone who has any idea how the law works will have a heart attack from so much laughter
- you as an indexer are removing feedback you deem subjective and you're not displaying the real score those exchanges get

Since at this moment you refuse to take action against a proven lying, scamming, and unlawfully in any jurisdiction on this planet exchange, don't you think you're reaching the moment where our "subjective" evaluation might also start to take form and color, red color?

I am doing a test.
So, apparently someone has changed the title, that it doesn't appear as such from outside the tread or in the main title, but in the answers.
JollyGood, was it you?
"Re: BestChange is not a scam" appears to me from your reply.

It was Best_Change that did so in their reply, which I'm also quoting but since they want to play that game I'll join

3433  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin Reduce the Global Wealth and Income Inequalities in 2022? on: July 04, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
Of course, there should be no doubt that Bitcoin is the reason why some people are millionaires today, or will become so in the future - but these are only exceptions.

Kind of ironic, isn't it? Bitcoin has helped a few become exactly the ultra-rich elitist that just helps widen the gap.
And even ignoring those few, Bitcoin won't be able to somehow make just the poor middle class and the middle class richer without also making the ones who have enough money to throw thousands of dollars at BTC even richer.
I really don't get those threads that still cling to some hope of wealth redistribution over and over and over.

Thanks to bitcoin's trustless format, it doesn't rely on wage based employees or bank managers who are trusted to monitor and run day to day operations. This shift in design translates to greater efficiency. Which in turn equates to large sums of money being transferrable across the world at lower cost.

To transfer large sums of money via BTC you need large sums of money in the first place to buy those coins, and poor people don't have those large sums of money, and far more importantly, the 6 billion who live paycheck to paycheck really don't care that much about sending and receiving daily millions across the world.

Bitcoin does perfectly what Satoshi designed it to do, all the rest is just things people want to believe BTC could be capable of if all the stars align.
3434  Economy / Economics / Re: Wheat War I is going to be World War III on: July 04, 2022, 05:42:11 PM
I don't know why he thinks he knows my country better than I

This way of thinking hasn't stopped you from claiming things about every European country on the map despite never setting foot there..

In any case since it was brought up I have to say that I'm not an economy expert to know how the hell they compute these numbers. Iran has inflation, sometimes high ones but it is nowhere near as high as those numbers report. For example I write every single cent I spend in an excel spreadsheet for money management, I just made some computations to see the amount of money I've spent in the past 5 years which should show the inflation to some extent:

Yeah lol, let's believe the guys who
- claimed sunflower oil was nowhere to be found in Germany when stores were full
- the guy who claimed the bankrupt UK paid half a billion for two spies captured in Iran
- the guy who claimed that two rockets fired by Iran destroyed American equipment worth trillions
- the guy who claimed 6000 American soldiers died killed by Iran strikes
 the guy who claimed American weapons are shit despite the global superpower intergalactic army of Iran still flying F4 made in the US 60 years ago

And when presented with accurate data from his own government, then the data...is not that is this and it's not that because ...

Cooking oil (price quadrupled). Eggs (price about doubled). Meat (price went up about 50%). The average of all of these becomes a high number.

So the price went up but the subsidy that was just canceled is making those prices not going up...
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220619-inflation-subsidy-reform-hit-stomachs-in-isolated-iran

Yeah, have fun lying to yourself and dreaming Iran is a superpower, and the western civilization will collapse just because you got your green card denied..meanwhile, the reality is entirely different.

If I'm not mistaken 80% of the population which is about 70 million are currently receiving the cash every month in their bank accounts.

What a nice way to say that 80% of the population is facing starvation and the government is helping them with...10$ a month?

Yearly inflation in the US hits 8%
- the US will go bankrupt
Monthly inflation hits 13% in Iran
- the US will go bankrupt  Grin Grin

3435  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED) on: July 04, 2022, 02:08:58 PM
I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).
I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit.

That' weird, i remember it doesn't exist few days ago (should be July 1st). But it's definitely not exist a year ago according to the archive, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/

Just laughing at those ToS

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7.3 If the analysis of the Payin transaction revealed the presence of these types of high-risk funds and their total percentage was 40% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the incoming transaction.
7.4 If the total risk of the incoming transaction is 70% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the Payin transaction.

So basically if the funds seems to be stolen they are charging a 10% money laundering fee.
I can't wait, hope I don't have to go to discord to see how the wanna-be lawyer saxydev is going to explain how this 10% is a requirement by directive 69 of the FY constitution.

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9. Other terms.
9.1 It is forbidden to use the OpenChange Company for fraudulent and illegal transactions.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share?  Grin

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Openchange.me tracks suspicious transactions of the clients and transactions executed under nonstandard conditions. Openchange.me performs its action on the base of AML FATF recommendations.

And releases them after taking a 10% cut.
At this point, there is nothing left to debate, scammers, law breakers, liars, so I'm waiting to see bestchange next move...

 

3436  Economy / Economics / Re: Wheat War I is going to be World War III on: July 04, 2022, 09:28:45 AM
For example in Iran farmers receive a lot of help at times like this, for example they could receive fertilizers at very cheap prices so that their final product doesn't need to go up in price. Sometimes they have a guarantee of purchase at a high price (even higher than market price). This is why food prices (like bread) haven't technically gone up except in some cases (like rice) they only had a small rise.

Interesting, indeed interesting..
What a success story if you were to believe what the propaganda tells you..

So, looking at what the Statistical Center of Iran says here:
https://www.amar.org.ir/english/SCI-News-Archive/ID/18460/consumer-price-index-in-the-month-of-khordad-of-the-year-1401

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The point-to-point inflation rate of this month experienced a 13.2 percentage point increase in comparison with the previous month (Ordibehesht, the year 1401). The point-to-point inflation rate for the major groups of "food, beverages and tobacco" and "non-food items and services" were 81.6 percent with a 32.2 percentage point increase and 36.8 percent with a 2.8 percentage point increase, respectively.

there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.
3437  Economy / Economics / Re: Uganda’s gold discovery: What it could mean for crypto !!! on: July 04, 2022, 09:11:22 AM
Nothing.

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Muyita said an estimated 320,158 tonnes of refined gold could be extracted from the 31 million tonnes of ore.

The highest grade mines in the world roughly get ~20-10 grams per ton.

So 31 million tonnes of ore will get you 310 million grams, which is 310 tonnes not 320 000.
Unless someone has magically discovered a mine that contains ore with a quality of 1000x more than anywhere in the world, then the next most possible thing is somebody put a , instead of a .

So that gold in Uganda is just as real as the prince in Nigeria.

3438  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kucoin users, are your withdrawals okay? on: July 04, 2022, 05:02:37 AM
And who would have thought that some users confirmed on twitter that they actually withdrawb all their portfolio. Johnny Liu has denied these allegations and said that he would take serious steps against the FUD spreaders.

Reminds me of
CZ threatening to sue nikkei over irresponsible journalism when he was already on the plane feeling the country.
Do Kwon calling everyone cockroaches and fud spreaders
Alex Mashinsky twisting "Don’t listen to the FUD-ers, look at the facts"

Every single time I see one of those CEO having a crisis over Twitter and shouting about FUD I have a feeling to go all in and bet they are already bankrupt.
Shouting FUD has become the last step of denial lately.




3439  Economy / Economics / Re: Unemplyment at least 50% how world will look like then ? on: July 04, 2022, 04:54:07 AM
Unemployment means he is free without the need to work according to structured rules.

Not at all, people who are considered unemployed in the statistics are the ones who don't have a job and are actively seeking work, the ones that don;t have a job and are not seeking any are not considered in the statistics.

For the ones wondering why OP is quoting the 50% number.
There is another statistic, that of employment level, it considers the total civilian noninstitutional population (over 16, not in prison not in the army)  and the total employed workforce.
In the US there are 261 million people available for work and 151 million who actually work, so that would bring the rate to about ~60%.

But real unemployment and employment level are different things altogether.





3440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mr Beast makes joke about Bitcoin in new video on: July 03, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
For the people who could watch the video so far, during this youtube video, a YouTuber named Mr beast did the challenge of not eating anything for 30 days 

You didn't watch the video, right?
He failed, he only managed to get 14 days, he lost the challenge, so before explaining it to others do watch it yourself, all of it not just the title.

Their mocking it, and their gloating when the price of bitcoin plummets, but surely their joy will not last long, the bear season will have to end and we will have the opportunity to do it against them.  Some people who laugh at bitcoin because they hate people who got rich on bitcoin and they think they missed something and now they feel ashamed for not being equal to bitcoin holders. Once bitcoin is mass accepted they will take down the video soon they will be ashamed of what they did.

Bruh, you're just overreacting.What, I'm not allowed to make jokes about bitcoin now?
Rather than the people who are making jokes hating the ones owning coins I feel like the ones that are holding coins are full of anger cause they are losing money right now and they are grabbing anyone who isn't singing bullish patriotic sounds by the throat.

Go out and have some fresh air, and if you can't take a joke maybe this investment game is not for you.


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