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3461  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Thal is a SCAMMER not a programmer. @pete24, @Nickot6 on: May 03, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
Screenshots are way too long & filled with unnecessary details. Plus, I could barely make out the words.

If I understood the situation correctly, what happened at the end was that the guy decided to pretend that nothing happened, and the due date for the live demo was never promised, right? But you still have all the proof that he promised to deliver the product on a certain time.

It's not the first time someone has had a complaint against him, last year in November coinmixer.se left a negative feedback saying that he owed coinmixer money on work that was undelivered. So he's probably a serial scammer posing as a coder.

You just never send first to anyone you're hiring, and definitely not a jr member with no reputation. Use an escrow.
3462  Economy / Economics / Re: When do you guys think we will hit the next Accumulation stage? on: May 03, 2018, 10:28:16 AM
Accumulation stages only happens when less people know about it?

Not necessarily less people knowing about bitcoin, since the number of people knowing about bitcoin is only going to increase but not decrease. But the general level of bullishness is low in an accumulation stage. Basically, when prices are moving sideways and people aren't expecting a rally, and the price has just come off a big dump, that's when you know you can safely start accumulating at low prices.

Personally I believe that the next accumulation stage would be later this year, and maybe next year as well. After bitcoin prices bounce around, consolidate and stabilize, it's probably going to be pretty low compared to the ATH, just like the 15-16 prices did to the 2013 bull market.

You can't always time your buys perfectly all the time, though, so you might want to do some dollar cost averaging on your buys. e.g. when bitcoin falls under a certain target price, you start buying in chunks.
3463  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hitbtc.com thieves and scammers on: May 03, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
This is some crazy stuff.

They just keep asking for more and more documents time after time... If I were you I would ask them to cite where in the KYC/AML regulations in their country does it states that it is completely necessary for the origin of your funds to be so clearly stated.

But they're just making it miserable for you from my point of view and it definitely seems like that they are trying to drag it on for as long as possible, like if they actually want to get this done quickly they wouldn't be so inefficient in asking for the required documents.

There's a reason why HitBTC's reputation on this forum is bad, and if you had done any research before you deposited, it would have saved you a lot of money. In fact, I wouldn't even deposit anywhere close to 8 BTC to even a trusted exchange, because that's just stuff out of your control.
3464  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet SCAM? on: May 03, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
I wouldn't say that they are a scam, but they have proven in the past to be pretty shady, especially on the identity verification end of things.

The problem is that they let you deposit without any sort of ID, don't actually warn you about any potential ID verification unless you are diligent enough to read through their entire terms and conditions section. And there are absolutely no warnings until it's too late for you to produce IDs.

For it to be fair for the customer, I think the most sensible thing to do as a business, espeically when involved with bitcoin where privacy is valued highly, would be to not allow deposits until one is ID verified, or at least have a warning when one deposits that withdrawals will require ID.

Your only options would be to try negotiate an alternative outcome with the support of Cloudbet, and hopefully they budge on their rules; or to submit the ID docs required.
3465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Back to $6000 in 3... 2... 1... on: May 03, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Lol this is too funny, I was led to believe we were going to see $11000 in the coming days.

I am so happy to have sold some yesterday, my spidey sense was tingling. Now, lets see if I can buy them back at a bargain price. Why do I make so much more money in a tanking market? Probably because I dont buy when its going up.

Anywayz, buy low, sell high, alwayz works for me. Noobs lose money because they do the exact opposite. Lolz!
I do not know if we are going to see such a low price maybe we are going to see 8000 or even 7000 but I do not think we're going to see 6000 again, however you are right when you say that there are many newbie traders that make a big mistake of buying when the price is very high and then selling when its low and they do that because they do not have any experience in trading and then they panic when they see the volatility of the market.

I actually think the contrary, the most likely scenario in the event of a correction in this case would be for bitcoin to get close to the $6k level where the most support it at, and test that level.

It could even fall below that price, if the support doesn't hold up. We've seen how much people can panic dump in a bearish situation in the dumps that ensued in Jan-April, and if bitcoin isn't able to move past the $10k obstacle, it's a no brainer that people are going to panic even further.

I'm not saying that it won't happen, but I think it's much more possible that you and others think. If the momentum was in the bulls favour, we would have broken $10k ages ago, which we haven't done.
3466  Economy / Economics / Re: Jim Rogers: Before All This Is Over, Gold Is Going Through The Roof on: May 03, 2018, 07:34:53 AM
I would be interested to know whether the userbase of gold and precious metals is growing or shrinking. Whenever I see someone with gold fever predicting the price of gold will rise, its typically someone who represents older age brackets. Gold and precious metals don't appear to have much support among younger generations. If all of this is true, it could suggest the price of gold will decline. Particularly if turkey and other nations experiencing economic turmoil decide to dump gold they repatriated from the united states.

The price of gold could also be vulnerable to strong manipulation similar to aluminum and steel. Years ago coca cola claimed that aluminum prices which factored into the price of their canning process were being manipulated by goldman sachs and other financial insitutions. There is a split of opinions on this topic and it is controversial. But it might be said that manipulation of aluminum prices aren't so different from what happens in gold markets given the tendency some have to take quantities of gold off the market or in turn adding quantities to move the price in one direction or another.

Gold lacking utility it can't be utilized for much. Goods and services often can't be bought with gold which limits its utility and in turn its price.

Recently however countries like china have proposed allowing free exchanges of gold for their native currency the yuan. Others like Erdogan have proposed a move back to a gold standard. Perhaps support for gold is in our future. Although it is also possible that turkey, china and other nations are only hyping gold to raise its price before they dump their gold holdings on the market.

You're right. The situation of gold is very complex, because I believe that we're seeing its major function as a store of value diminish over time. Especially with more convenient alternatives such as bitcoin itself, which has a lot more support in younger generations.

And we all know that things with support in younger generations, will usually be the future.

I'm still not doubting the fact that precious metals are undervalued at the moment historically, inflation adjusted they are nowhere near the 1980s precious metal peak. Economic breakdown or not, I see real potential for gold and silver to make a huge run in the positive direction soon, although its long term utility is in question at the moment.
3467  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin to soar again? on: May 02, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
The market is showing positive sign for bitcoin again. In an article published by Charlotte Davis at https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/949891/bitcoin-price-usd-news-today-buy-dollar-cryptocurrency-latest-value-cash: BITCOIN price has seen a 27 percent increase since the start of April and one cryptocurrency expert said bitcoin is likely to continue to rally as historical data shows a continuous rise over the past eight years.

It's showing positive signs, but we don't know whether or not this rally will be the start of a new bull market. Most likely not, even though people seem to think that this rally is "here to stay" and is going to continue.

Bitcoin has indeed continued its steady price growth for 8 years, however that is completely unrelated data in this case. I don't doubt that bitcoin will continue to make its way up in the long run, but here, we're talking about bitcoin's movements in the short term.

I don't think that bitcoin will necessarily see a major bull market any time soon, at least of the magnitude of last year's bull market, simply because we're still consolidating and market sentiment isn't that bullish right now.
3468  Economy / Reputation / Re: A list of top 10 scams on the " Digital Goods " market. on: May 02, 2018, 11:33:17 PM
If you see any threads in digital goods that are self moderated and/or locked, with an autobuy link inside, you know for sure that it's a scam. And it goes without saying that all of them promise really good deals that of course will not be delivered.

Most of these people are already tagged, yet I see a lot of people still falling for these scams.

It's quite simple, just use your common sense. Don't go without escrow in the digital goods or goods section of the forum. Autobuy links aren't escrow services, there is no way for you to recover your funds once you send it.
3469  Economy / Economics / Re: Of Square's $669 million of first-quarter revenue, $34 million came from bitcoin on: May 02, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
It's interesting that mainstream companies are deciding to step foot into the bitcoin scene, and they are devoting a lot of their resources to it, and obviously getting revenue back as a result as well.

I feel like in the future, a lot of traditional, centralised payment processors will be forced to also adopt bitcoin one way or another by offering buy/sell services or otherwise.

Quote from: Hydrogen
Numbers like this could hint at wider bitcoin adoption in the future.

Well, it doesn't directly suggest that, since Square made most of the profit from acting as a buy/sell platform of BTC and not as a merchant. But it goes without saying that adoption rates are only going to increase in the future, imo.
3470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis of the mid-term for Bitcoin price on: May 02, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
I feel like number 4 is probably going to be the case.

The consolidation phase of this bear market is probably going to last some time longer than a lot of people expect. Just like 2014's consolidation period, which took over 1 year before bitcoin truly bottomed out. There is a lot of room to move downwards still imho.

Even though that right now we're seeings a pretty bullish rally, but most people are way too bullish at this stage when it's probable that consolidation hasn't gone on for long enough for the $6k support to be regarded as 100% set in stone.
3471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market has already hit bottom for 2018 on: May 02, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
I agree with the fact that bitcoin is still in its early adoption phase, and its prices will be considered to be extremely low in the long run when bitcoin actually gets more attention from newer adopters, compared to now when even though there is some hype but not a lot of real users.

However, I don't think that it's guaranteed that BTC markets have hit bottom for 2018 already.

IMHO, after this rally there may be a pretty big correction that take us down to test the support at $6k, which may not hold up. We're still bearish overall as a market, since everyone got cautioned by the huge pullback at the start of the year. Wouldn't surprise me to see lower lows for the year, although I'm as bullish as anyone on the long term prospects of BTC.
3472  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: scammed by an escrow Nelka4+ LogicaM on: May 02, 2018, 08:49:29 PM
I'm not saying that it's impossible, but out of all the escrow services, why would OP choose to target you in the first place @Nelka4?

I was wondering if there is a possibility for OP to share the details of his telegram account temporarily for a DT member to verify the legitimacy of these messages, and whether or net they were actually sent by Nelka4.

But anyways, offering escrow services with no reputation is just not acceptable on this forum. We've seen a lot of escrow scammers with high reputation in the past, let alone someone with no trust history.

Lintel was online today, most likely saw his red tag as well, but didn't come on scam accusations to defend himself. Weird.

And @OP the decision to impersonate yahoo was a dumb one...
3473  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will go to $13500-12300$ because of this news on: May 02, 2018, 09:37:58 AM

The cryptocurrency market has had a weak 24 hours of trade with declines being seen across the board. Currently BTC is resting along the $9,000 – $9,200 support level. A fall below $9,000 should raise some concerns, but there is support at $8,800 and stronger support near $8,450. There is a possibility, that the close below $9,000 could indicate a break in the current trend and push prices back towards $8,400. But, anyway, the technical setup for BTC and some of the altcoins remains positive, and it’s not a surprise that movement towards new highs is punctuated by pullbacks and 3 or 4 days of sideways trading.

It wouldn't raise my concern, it would actually flush out a lot of the irrational buying that has been going on in this short rally that spanned from April to now. I've expected prices to drop once it got close to $10k for a long time. But even if it does drop, it won't be like once prices hit $9k that's the end of the world, and everyone starts panic dumping. I think this adjustment will gradually occur and take time.

Right now, both the support and resistance are pretty close together, and as a result, prices are moving exclusively in the range of $8500-9500 without going below or above for now.

I wouldn't say that moving past $12-13k is too realistic of a prediction right now. Plus, you failed to mention any "news" that was promised in the title.
3474  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is taking a breath on: May 02, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
The crypto-currencies showcase is grabbing a seat today after a solid run-up. Bitcoin is holding in the $9,300 territory at mid-morning subsequent to ascending as high as $9,500. The subtle $10,000 hindrance is in locate, however the walk towards it continues getting slowed down by anxious speculator pullbacks.

There is a lot of people taking their profits at the $9500 level which seems to be the major resistance that is preventing bitcoin going up further in this pump. I've been expecting this ever since this pump started, though.

From a long term holder's point of view, none of this really matters.

From a trader point of view, though, this isn't the start of a new bull market that people may be looking for because there just hasn't been enough time for prices to consolidate yet after the previous huge bull market. And with just one small rally, people seems to be back to buying irrationally due to FOMO again. That's obviously never a good time to enter the market for the short term.

3475  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price Prediction on: May 02, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
Hi all Bitcoin is moving around 9K $ from so many days. What do you think it will cross 12k $ in mid may or it will be going down ?? Market are reflecting that there should be an increase in the price. What your prediction ?

I feel like that we've hung around the $9k level long enough, and tested the $10k level enough times to say that the resistance at that level is pretty strong still. It would definitely surprise me if no corrections come soon.

$12k was had a big sell wall in the last real run bitcoin had above 5 digits. I doubt that BTC will be able to break it during this rally.

There is simply no momentum, we've been moving sideways, trying to break that barrier at $9500 which has proven to throw prices back to the early $9000s time and time again. This rally is almost as good as over. There is definitely every probability that BTC is going to hit $12k some time this year, just not during this rally.
3476  Economy / Economics / Re: New investor and prices on: May 02, 2018, 09:17:11 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?

That doesn't really make sense.

If there are more new investors then it only means that there is more demand of BTC, and prices will be driven up if old investors stay put and hold their coins. That's all. There isn't anything to suggest that more new investors would cause prices to fluctuate more.

Perhaps new speculators would, however if we're just talking about investors that normally hold for the long term, as well as adopters that utilises bitcoin's technology to store their wealth, then if anything, it actually stabilises bitcoin's price as the adoption rate of BTC goes up, and potentially pushes the price up as well.
3477  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Warning: Do not trade with btctrade.im on: May 02, 2018, 09:14:12 AM
Their response to you is pretty much nonsense, or their systems can't handle any sort of volume. Both of which should be alarming, because I don't see anything wrong with the Doge network itself. That excuse is pretty weak.

A simple doge withdrawal being pending for 24h is definitely not acceptable, though if you can reveal it, how much was the withdrawal? You shouldn't be asked to convert it to BTC simply because that means paying more commission and spread, and that's not the coin that you currently want to withdraw.

They advertise themselves as safe and reliable on their site. Definitely looks the complete opposite to their statements if withdrawals take 24+ hours to process.
3478  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: scammed by an escrow Nelka4+ LogicaM on: May 02, 2018, 08:56:43 AM
If both people blocked you, then most likely they are the same person or they are working together to scam you out of your BTC.

Nelka4's reputation is nowhere near enough for him to qualify as a legitimate escrow to begin with, you should have known that. Trusting a random senior member with $200 isn't going to end well, especially with account sales.

This is why account sales is frowned upon here. Not only is there a huge chance that you'll get caught buying the account, you may also just get scammed by the person that's trying to sell you the account.

BTW, is the scammer's profile this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2019448? I couldn't find anyone with the username LogicM, but this user has the telegram name of LogicM and is selling accounts.
3479  Economy / Exchanges / Re: How to deposit at bittrex on: May 01, 2018, 04:45:14 AM
It's actually a positive change.

Previously, they didn't have this warning and allowed people to deposit without having a verified account, yet they denied their withdrawal requests when they tried to withdraw and that caused some outrage. So now if you want to deposit any sum of money at all to their site you would need to verify your account at least to the basic level.

So if you want to use Bittrex, you have to verify yourself. Verification can be obtained by going to settings and clicking on complete verification. Otherwise you are unable to do anything, as the warning says. But expect delays, since the reviews for their verification process definitely isn't positive.

Try binance, if you want a low limit for deposits and withdrawal without verification.
3480  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC moon again? Yes. on: April 30, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
I'm very optimistic that BTC will return to above 20k$.



I've made a shitty chart that you can look at:
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/YOqwVpsp-Bullrun-Continues-Soon-Don-t-Worry-Cryptofam-just-look-at-this/
Looking at similar patterns, BTC will soon break the channel upwards and will slowly strike once again.. and again..

This is quite unrealistic if you are predicting BTC to hit $20k by June this year.

An all time high is unlikely to be hit this year, let alone in the first half of the year. Remember that the market sentiment is still somewhat bearish, and even though we just have had a huge rally up to $9k+, the resistance at $10k makes it extremely difficult for bitcoin to come on top and establish that level as a support for later pumps.

There is simply no upward momentum right now in the market.

Bitcoin value will skyrocket once the next bull market takes place, which in my opinion just isn't now. We've still got some more time to go before we can safely say that this bear market is over.
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