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361  Bitcoin / Hardware / 105 Gh/s ASIC miner: Redhash by TAV. (Limited availability on eBay). on: September 27, 2013, 09:21:11 AM
Limited availability on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Redhash-105-Gh-s-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-Avalon-clone-/321233038462?#shpCntId

Auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303379.0;all


Five months ago, I and two partners founded TAV (thinairventures.com), a company designing and selling ASIC miners. We have been operating in stealth mode, and today is our launch day! We are proudly announcing our first product: Redhash, a 105 Ghash/sec miner, available right now. We are selling a limited number of units in an online auction starting at 15 BTC per Redhash unit. The auction is denominated in bitcoins, but we accept various forms of payment.

15 BTC with units shipping now is clearly profitable: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/44fc645248 (55% month-over-month difficulty increase), and even a pessimistic 100% month-over-month increase is profitable. Also, 15 BTC for 105 Ghash/sec beats the price per Ghash/sec of any competitor shipping now or in October!

Redhash Specs

Redhash is an improved Avalon clone Bitcoin miner:
- 105 Ghash/sec (320 chips at 328 MHz)
- Standard 4U/19" rack-mountable chassis: the feature most requested by Avalon owners
- Highly modular: 32 individually-replaceable hash units
- 100% compatible with 80-chip Avalon "modules" which fit the Redhash backplanes
- Easy to service: remove the top cover (5 screws), and no other screws or cables need to be removed or detached to replace individual hash units
- Best chassis and mechanical design for upcoming 2nd-generation Avalon ASICs
- Power consumption: 940W at the wall (120-240V), outputting 780-790W at DC (12V), making our provided PSU (Corsair TX850M) run at 92-93% of its maximum load
- Oversized chassis accepts all "long" PSUs such as Corsair AX1200
- Ships from the USA: no customs for US buyers
- Fans ignore PWM control - always run at 100% speed for maximum cooling (very noisy! You may replace them with standard PWM-controllable fans for quieter operation, but this necessitates downclocking below 328 MHz!)
- Warranty: Guaranteed working on delivery


(For more picture, see bottom of this post.)

Who we are

I am Marc Bevand (aka mrb), a longtime trusted active member of the Bitcoin community since December 2010. My first adventure with Bitcoin was to develop what was at the time the fastest GPU miner for AMD Radeon cards, hdminer. My business partners are Bertrand Darnault and Jonny Gerold. I have known Bertrand for 9 years, we both graduated from the same computer science school (Epita) from the class of 2003.  And I have known Jonny for a little over a year, since we met as coworkers. All three of us are just as highly fascinated about Bitcoin as each other.

Why you can trust us

We understand that trust in a vendor is primordial in the Bitcoin mining world. We have done numerous things the "right" way in order to establish trust:

  • From the beginning, TAV's vision was to avoid offering risky preorders as they inflict stress and incertitude on customers. So, unlike the vast majority of ASIC vendors, TAV does not require preorders. Our miners are in stock, available today, already developed and working, ready to ship.
  • We can prove we ordered 10,000 Avalon chips, which were used to build our Redhash miners. We sent 782.1 BTC from our address 1AAoyFmZuUbVpNUJFCCSJbZQSvSRm8vPad to Bitsyncom’s temporary address 1H9whoZUz1iNyBagMUrudw3AnoRqLHKpH5 on April 21, 2013. As seen in the blockchain, this amount was almost instantly re-transferred to Bitsyncom’s well-known address used for receiving Avalon chip payments: 1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU. The message "TAV ordered 10,000 Avalon chips on April 21, 2013" has been signed with our sending address. The signature is G5bJki+cSGKJcVA27qI7vspAQnWc19n2VXvzxlsBR7/wO6fiavyoMIp/vPcUVlchtfMjnBeWXQn+ZYq96rFfVSc= and can be verified by anyone:

Code:
$ bitcoind verifymessage 1AAoyFmZuUbVpNUJFCCSJbZQSvSRm8vPad G5bJki+cSGKJcVA27qI7vspAQnWc19n2VXvzxlsBR7/wO6fiavyoMIp/vPcUVlchtfMjnBeWXQn+ZYq96rFfVSc= "TAV ordered 10,000 Avalon chips on April 21, 2013"
true
  • On June 14, 2013, we were the first to demonstrate a working Avalon clone by posting a "teaser" post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234173.0
  • We have been testing all our Redhash miners (a bit less than 10,000 chips = approximately 3 terrahash/sec) on the pool Eligius for the last 2-3 days to publicly demonstrate that our hardware is working: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1NkkkghQHFNs8H1hAmKDM9fJo4mBkoHeej Notice the nickname of this address has been set to our company name "Thin Air Ventures" (TAV) on the pool's website.
  • We provide multiple pictures of our chips, products, and facilities in this post as well as on our website.
  • The company Thin Air Ventures, LLC was formed in the US state of Delaware. (However, do not confuse us with an LLC bearing the same name as us that was created and dissolved in respectively 2001 and 2005.)
  • The WHOIS information for our domain thinairventures.com is de-anonymized and contains the contact information of one of our founders, Marc Bevand, as well as our actual office address in Lake Forest, CA, USA. (Note: no valuable hardware is stored on site - everything is in a data center).
  • Anybody is welcome to pay us a visit at our office at 20331 Lake Forest #C7, Lake Forest, CA 92630. Please make an appointment ahead of time by mailing sales@thinairventures.com, to guarantee someone will be there to receive you at the time of your visit.

Ordering

The market has highly varying opinions on the value of ASIC miners. Therefore we decided to let the market determine the right price by launching an online auction to the highest bidder with a minimum bid starting at 15 BTC per Redhash unit (105 Ghash/sec), with minimum increments of 1 BTC. We have a limited number of units available in this auction: only 27 units. The auction starts now and runs for a few days. Auction winners will have 4 calendar days to make payment, which can be made in bitcoins, credit card, cash, cashier's check, or wire transfer. If paying in USD, we will convert your bid's BTC amount to USD according to the current coinbase.com exchange rate +/-1% that we will announce publicly the moment the auction ends. The Coinbase exchange rate is usually very close to the CoinDesk Bitcoin Price Index: http://www.coindesk.com/price

The auction takes place in the Auctions subforum, where the auction rules and payment details are explained in depth, see Auction thread.

Shipping

We ship worldwide, from southern California, USA. We will accommodate whatever shipping carrier you request at the time of payment: UPS, Fedex, US Postal Service, etc. Shipping is free (included in your bid) when using standard shipping (UPS/Fedex for destinations in the USA, and US Postal Service for worldwide destinations). If you request some sort of expedited shipping, you will be asked to pay for shipping in addition to paying your auction bid.

Alternatively, we offer local pickup (at our office in Lake Forest, CA, or at our data center in Irvine, CA). We will take 0.5 BTC off the price if you choose this option over shipping.

For international shipping, we highly recommend to ship the Redhash unit without the Power Supply Unit as its presence may cause issues at Customs during import. You should instead purchase a standard PSU on your local market (850 Watt minimum). Of course the decision is up to you, but if you choose to have the Redhash unit shipped without PSU, we will take 0.5 BTC off the price you bid.

Future plans

We want to make TAV the most trusted and well-respected ASIC miner vendor. We are working on future projects, but will not divulge any details. Do expect future announces, like this hard launch, that surprise the community :-)









362  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury USB miners "in-hand" & price reduced - Ave 2.3Gh/s on: September 19, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
What USB protocol do these miners implement?
Do they emulate ASICMINER's BlockErupters for software compatibility?
Does the git version of cgminer support them?
363  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Random BFL crap from] knc chips picture on: September 19, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
BFLs got a ton of pictures of chips and mining equipment, and they're still scamming people left and right. "Our shipping queue will be fully shipped by the end of September." ... Yeah, right... and pigs can fly.

Actually, for the last week, every day BFL has been able to ship about 10-15 days' worth of Single SC pre-orders. For example yesterday alone, they shipped all the Oct 3-17, 2012 pre-orders: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/

There are ~330 days of pre-orders remaining to ship, so at this rate they should need merely 20-30 more days to ship everything, which is approximately mid October.

Plus, the number of pre-orders almost certainly slowed down in late 2012 and through 2013, so again assuming they can just maintain the current rate of shipping, we should see BFL able to ship a lot more than 10-15 days's worth of Single SC pre-orders... so their "end of September" estimate seems absolutely plausible.

Addendum: it is a different story for Jalapenos and Mini-Rigs... BFL is outsourcing Jalapenos, and seem to have a lot of issues producing Mini-Rigs, so they might not finish shipping these 2 product lines any time soon.
364  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: VMC -- FAST HASH. $6/GH on: September 19, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
if you get in line fast and pay the lowest $/GH (VMC)

Not VMC! VMC are expensive at $9.4, not $6. Can you fix your title?

Please check your math,

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

At the bottom, you can see all VMC miners average an ~8$ /g-hash

but VMC's most expensive miner is 6$ / g-hash,

Platinum Unit (6 Module + 6 cases)
costs: 148,958 USD
hash speed: 24,576

So its around 6.1$ per hash.

Ok, so adding multiple expansions modules is how you get to lower $ per Ghash... Thanks for correcting me.
365  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: VMC -- FAST HASH. $6/GH on: September 19, 2013, 06:28:27 PM
if you get in line fast and pay the lowest $/GH (VMC)

Not VMC! VMC are expensive at $9.4, not $6. Can you fix your title?

Nevermind.
366  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 97 on: September 19, 2013, 08:44:52 AM
theymos, what is the best way to publish an ad starting on a specific day & time that falls in the middle of round 97?
Can we bid for ad slots, serve empty HTML/CSS up to this day & time, then you would update it when we notify you with 24 hours of notice?
367  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: VMC -- FAST HASH. $6/GH on: September 19, 2013, 07:22:59 AM
VolanicEruptor, you keep incorrectly claiming "$6 per Gh/s" when in fact the best priced machine is the 256 Gh/s at $2400 which is $9.4 per Gh/s!
368  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: September 17, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
100 times difficulty ~ 100,000,000 GH/s ~ 1,000,000,000 USD investments in mining gear

Who's gonna pay that?

You assumed prices of $10 per Ghash/s. It is well-known current ASIC vendors have insane margins on the raw silicon. As a matter of fact, Cointerra is already selling pre-orders $3 per Ghash/s. Watch the price drop to $1 or less per Ghash/s over the next 12 months. Therefore a $100 million investment in mining hardware is all you need for the network to grow to 100 Phash/s. This will happen by September 2014. Watch.

Well, imho, all vaporware of new companies could be getting very slowly to the market. Every new company with a new ASIC will get setbacks to mass produce fully functional hardware. Technical and organisational.

Even the succes stories ain't spotless: ASICminer doesn't show their projected 200 TH which, iirc, they would have deployed at the start of last summer. Bitfury ASIC retail miners had to rerun parts of their production. 100th mine has been several months delayed and then you also have the usual suspects BFL and Avalon. Completely normal in every starting business and to be expected also of all other newcoming companies, and BFL again for sure, claiming to not need a prototype for their 28nm, since their models are now superior.

The incentive to invest in and to distribute retail products is also dwindling, since one has to compete with mines like Ghash.io, which runs the most efficient chips atm against manufacturers cost, which could be under $1 per Ghash/s according to your assumption. But they probably won't compete with themselves, just building and maintaining their share of the network. So they will follow retail and competitors, not lead them, but they are king for now.

Retail will slow down its pace first (happening right now), due to inherent high cost structure and lower than expected returns of their capital already fixed in miners and preorders. Generated income will probably hardly be reinvested after being scared in these first ASIC production rounds and by current jumps in difficulty. And daily amounts per individual miner are relatively small and they have to save many days to buy a (then hopefully cheaper) miner. Slowing the growth pace more and more, since they earn less and less and are mostly still in the red for their earlier investments.

Public companies like ASICminer come next, due to 'dividend losses' and losing the energy race accelerated by a shrinking share of the pie. Unless they (have) invest(ed) sanely (when they ruled the network) and some monkey comes out of their sleeve on one of these days. AM still makes a lot of investment capital every day, but hardware production and growth of mining capacity is slow compared to demand up till now.

Large private mines will rule anyway and the forementioned Ghash.io is the only serious one right now and they soak up around 20% of the daily production out of the market which is hardly needed for their expansion (they mine per day a private gross investment capital to add ~100 TH mining capacity) and which is not available for other parties to reinvest.

Even if the cash to invest is available (current pre-orders don't run as fast anymore it seems, look for example at HashFast 1st batch Babyjets), the production capacity could very well being the factor restricting a continued high growth pace.

I can't predict the future however and only expect a bumpy road to this hundredfold. Price drops can slow down growth also significantly and the other way around. But I do hope for a 100 Phash/s network rather sooner than later, since it is a positive sign for bitcoin. But not so much for this mine.

I agree with your general sentiment. There will be bumps on the road. Companies will run behind schedule. Etc.

But you really need to look at hard numbers. 100 petahash/s is merely 9300 wafers of Bitfury's 55nm chip, or 2300 wafers at 28nm. This is nothing! Looking at the order of magnitude, this is 0.01% of the semiconductor industry's yearly capacity! It is so obvious that this is within Bitcoin ASIC vendors's capability to produce and deploy this few wafers of chips by September 2014.

369  Economy / Computer hardware / [WTS] Avalon chips around 0.049-0.055 BTC each on: September 17, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
I have 1000+ Avalon chips in my hands (southern California) that I would be clearly willing to sell at around 0.049-0.055 BTC per chip. Price is negotiable. Email me at m.bevand at gmail.com
370  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: September 16, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
100 times difficulty ~ 100,000,000 GH/s ~ 1,000,000,000 USD investments in mining gear

Who's gonna pay that?

You assumed prices of $10 per Ghash/s. It is well-known current ASIC vendors have insane margins on the raw silicon. As a matter of fact, Cointerra is already selling pre-orders $3 per Ghash/s. Watch the price drop to $1 or less per Ghash/s over the next 12 months. Therefore a $100 million investment in mining hardware is all you need for the network to grow to 100 Phash/s. This will happen by September 2014. Watch.
371  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Why the Bitcoin community HAS to save the network from HashFast, CoinTerra, BFL. on: September 16, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
A few questions:
1. So the ASIC companies are evil for selling a product with high market demand?
2. So the people buying ASIC's by the truckload are not the issue?
3. And this can be stopped by creating another ASIC?

1. In Bitcoin mining some laws of regular economy don't hold. For example, there would be NO demand for ASICs, if there were no ASICs anywhere. People were still mining happily with GPUs/FPGAs. ASICs just increased the difficulty rate.
2. They have no other choice, we are here to give one.
3. If you read my post properly, you would find the answer to this question. We are not creating just "another" ASIC. We are creating a low cost ASIC ($100 - $200 for a 400 to 600 GHash/sec capacity chip).

1. Completely untrue. At the very beginning (2009-2010), the market at the time was just not big enough to warrant investing even $150k to develop a 130nm ASIC. Plus Bitcoin's future success was very uncertain (legally and technologically speaking), so it would have been a very risky venture. ASICs were seen as inevitable, provided the Bitcoin market became big enough and the risks decreased. Once these 2 things happened, ASIC developments started.

2. Yes there is a choice: do not buy overpriced mining hardware. Wait for prices to decrease. Duh!

3. Prices will decrease by themselves. Just let capitalism do its work. There are so many ASIC companies competing between each other that prices are falling as we speak. Not too long ago the best you could get was 50 Mhash/s per dollar (Avalon ~75 Gh/s at $1500), and now the market is already moving toward 300+ Mhash/s per dollar (Cointerra TM IV 2 Thash/s at $6000 in 2014).
372  Economy / Computer hardware / [WTB] Avalon chips in qty 1000+ on: September 16, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
I am looking to buy Avalon chips in qty 1000+ at a price of 0.007-0.010 BTC per chip. Email me offers at m.bevand at gmail.com. I am in southern California.
373  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Alydian Announces 5/10TH Systems w/ 65nm Chip on: September 13, 2013, 10:48:38 AM
So the "end of august" deadline has passed. Is Alydian online? Is anybody renting hashing power?

Alydian will begin at-scale operation and hosting in late August
374  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: September 10, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
Can you correct your math?

You write "Second Batch Sierra - With Miner Protection Program™ - as low as $2.33/Gh/s!" which obviously should be $14000 / 1200 Gh/s = $11.67/Gh/s.

The 2.33$ is meant to kick in with the Miner Protection Program, when you get a couple more Gh/s for your order.

I see. $14000/(1200 Gh/s * 5) = $2.33/Gh/s. The page should attempt to make it less confusing.
375  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: September 10, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
HashFast has launched sales of it's second production batch. We are now selling our commercial grade unit, the Sierra, which contains 3 Golden Nonce (GN) ASICs, and all Baby Jet and Sierra machines can now be purchased with or without the Miner Protection Program™.

Can you correct your math?

You write "Second Batch Sierra - With Miner Protection Program™ - as low as $2.33/Gh/s!" which obviously should be $14000 / 1200 Gh/s = $11.67/Gh/s.
376  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS [UK] 4 Module Avalon Batch 2 on: September 09, 2013, 08:14:58 PM
Looking at around 50BTC
50BTC would get you that same hashrate in USB-BE's and 1/20th of the running costs Smiley

No. Try running 300-400 USB BlockErupters... You will find out they have running costs roughly 2x those of Avalon. They use twice more watts for the same Mhash/sec.

377  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: PCB Design for Cointerra on: September 06, 2013, 05:23:10 PM
Sorry but I disagree.

is 300W always generate the same heat, we have no problem because the heat generated cant be more than any other "chip" (cpu, video, digital converter) that uses 300W, so if what you say is valid is valid the same cooling capacity to cool any chip that uses 300W is the same... and is not. at same power usage different chips generate different volumes of heat.

I agree energy transform in something else 100% but is not all heat, also I also agree the Cointerra chip per GigaHash looks will use much less energy than Avalon, Bitfury and all the rest.

This is a law of thermodynamics, you can't disagree with it Wink

Here is what confuses you: a CPU advertised with a thermal dissipation of 100W will actually draw anywhere from 0 to 100W depending on the load. It does not constantly draw 100W. You can measure this with a clamp-meter on the 4-pin ATX12V cable. So if average computer usage leads to the CPU drawing 40W, then on average you will only observe 40W of heat coming out of a "100W" CPU.

A Bitcoin mining chip, unlike a typical electronic chip, runs at full load 100% of the time. So a Bitcoin mining chip with a thermal dissipation of 100W will always exhaust 100W of heat.
378  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: PCB Design for Cointerra on: September 06, 2013, 04:39:56 AM
I think Cointerra chip may not require extraordinary cooling.

Remember heat is wasted energy depending how efficient is his chip is the heat, Until we can see one in action we cant say much I guess.

300W of electrical consumption will always generate 300W of heat, no matter how efficient or inefficient the chip is. This is the law of conservation of energy.
379  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: PCB Design for Cointerra on: September 05, 2013, 09:25:28 AM
aerobatic, yes Bitfury's 400 Gh/s rig would need fans if put in an enclosed box. But three 80mm fans (spanning the width of the m-hash board) to push air horizontally is still "easier" than the heavy HSF or fancy water cooling system that a 500 Gh/s cointerra chip will require. You made a specific claim about ease of cooling a big hot chip, so I responded to this claim precisely.

I do agree with the rest of your post, that a system with a single big hot chip might be cheaper than numerous smaller chips (less PCB, fewer components, etc).

Bitfury (2W per chip) and Cointerra (300W per chip) are the extreme opposites of the scale. I think the best tradeoff in terms of cost and ease of cooling is somewhere in-between (20-150W per chip). Cointerra is taking unnecessary risks by aiming at the absolute highest wattage possible than can be practically cooled. They should have gone with 2 x 150W chips for example. It would have removed a huge cooling challenge, while not necessarily increasing cost that much.
380  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASICMINER: Erupter Blades. Review, comments, photos, and discussion! on: September 05, 2013, 08:02:48 AM
dogie - stop defending yourself
mrb - stop rubbing it in

I have no respect for people who refuse to admit their errors, use profanity, lie childishly, etc. Some confrontation can hopefully make them think about their actions, turn them into better individuals, and improve the quality of the forums. But then again I am an optimist...
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