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3621  Economy / Goods / Re: Calling Hollanders! on: October 12, 2011, 06:41:12 PM
Do they ship within Holland? If so, I could help you out on this as long as you pay for all shipping costs.

I have no idea.  As for the shipping costs, it depends on how much it would be.  I can get a can shipped, its just that it  would cost a fortune.  If these are available locally to you, and are willing to pick up a can retail, I'm willing to pay for it's retail price & parcel post costs plus 10%.  I'm not sure that I'm willing to have a single can shipped twice.
3622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 12, 2011, 06:38:32 PM
This thread has seriously wandered off topic, and has entered deep into Valley Creepy.
3623  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin private key/wallet.dat data recovery tool! on: October 12, 2011, 01:34:53 PM
Any possibility that this recovery tool can be used to scan an Android phone for the keys of an android client that no longer will properly update?
Not currently, no. It is/was on my TODO list to add this feature to it, but I haven't got around to it yet. (A lot of users of the Android client have been running into difficulties.) The Android client - and bitcoinj-based clients in general - store private keys in a more compact format than the official Bitcoin client does.

Would a bounty help to encourage your efforts?
3624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 12, 2011, 01:33:47 PM
The animals are not accorded any rights any more than an owned couch is accorded any rights...

Well, in your idealized world, yes. But here in the real world, there are plenty of laws and regulations to ensure animals' safety, well being, survival, prevent abuse, etc. Not nearly enough, but as society matures, the trend is to increase the rights of animals, not decrease them. Read up on the subject. Your way of thinking is a step backwards.

Those are "laws" and "regulations," not rights. You can't give someone rights by law. You can only take them away.

Though, granted, since you guys still don't even have a concept of "person," or understanding on where rights actually come from or what foundation they are built on, it's no surprise you keep confusing things.

All rights come from law.

Not from the kind of law that you are talking about, and that is the center of your misconception.
3625  Economy / Goods / Re: Calling New Zealanders! on: October 12, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
Salt will lower the freezing point, but I wouldn't expect salt to have an effect on temperature retention. Perhaps it has something to do with an earlier phase change from ice to water? Water is more dense than ice (at least the ice you are dealing with), saltwater can be colder than fresh water, and water completely surrounding your food will keep it colder longer than pockets of air and ice at the same temperature. But of course locking the food in solid pieces of ice with no air will keep it coldest.


The addition of salt to the gallon jug leaves less room for water, and the lower freezing point means that the temperature difference across the insulation is a greater span.  I.E. keeping food below 40 degrees is about a 35 degree span to maintain, but keeping the frozen foods frozen needs to be around 15 degrees to be certain that all of it stays frozen, so the span is a 55 degree difference.  That's my theory, anyway.  I didn't expect the salt ice performance to be so poor.

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I think the big gallon ice cubes are good as they should melt slowly, but their size and shape may make it difficult to pack tightly. You want to limit total surface area of your food and ice.


I have a pretty big cooler, so I can fit four gallon jugs (one at each corner) at about 32 pounds of ice and another 20 pounds or so of loose ice cubes; this will keep the food below 40 degrees for at least 4 days in 75-80 degree weather, out of the sun.  I have a large deep freezer, so I can keep much more than that.

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Have you considered clarified (ghee) butter? It last longer, might not need refrigeration, sautes well, tastes nutty, and you can make it yourself.

Considered it.  Can't stand it.  Won't even bother to ask my wife to try it.
3626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 12, 2011, 07:33:45 AM
They've also been extraordinarily successful with regard to eradicating drugs, protecting the environment, curing disease, and bringing the world out of poverty...

In some cases, yes. Your idealized world has no track record at all with regard to the matters, to be honest. It's fun for you to speculate though.

Track record:
USA has very strict laws on underage drinking. Result? Binge drinking, alcohol poisoning, drinking just to get drunk, and general alcoholism issues.
Italy has practically no restrictions on alcohol for minors. Result? Drinking is something done socially and responsibly, getting drunk is considered embarassing and a sign of weakness or lack of control. Alcohol abuse is very rare.

Japan also treats underage drinking in like manner.
3627  Economy / Goods / Re: Calling New Zealanders! on: October 12, 2011, 04:12:13 AM
Are you preparing for the Great Flood?

Not quite, just trying to stock my pantry for my own comfort for the next power outage.  In the Fall of 2008 there was a huge windstorm that ripped across my area, knocking out power to half the city and littering the entire city with debris.  I didn't have power for 4 days, and I live in an urban area.  Others didn't have power for two weeks, out beyond the suburbs.  I'm using that four day mark as my target.  We managed okay on peanut butter and crackers, but if canned butter can generally live up to expectations, it would be a great addition.  I just have to show my wife that it actually tastes and cooks like butter, and without the metallic taste that some canned foods have.  In order to do so, I need a can to test. 

During the outage, I came to realize that what we needed most was refrigeration, since we just read by candlelight rather than stare at the tv.  I bought a Colman brand Xtreme cooler, and have taken to filling the spare space in our deep freezer with old milk jugs filled with tapwater.  I've used a refrigerator thermometer to test the cooler to see if it can live up to the hype and keep the inside of the cooler below 40 degrees F. for four days with less than half the internal volume as ice.  It can, but barely.  I also tried doping the jugs of water with salt of different measured amounts, in order to see if I could do the same thing with frozen items, and thus use two coolers; one to keep things refrigerator cold, another to keep frozen things frozen.  The salt doped jugs couldn't seem to keep the inside of the cooler below freezing form more than a full day even at one cup salt per gallon jug, and salt doping reduced the cooling power of the jug to such a degree that at one quarter cup salt per gallon jug couldn't quite keep the same cooler under 40 degrees for two days, all other conditions being equal to the freshwater experiment.
3628  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin private key/wallet.dat data recovery tool! on: October 12, 2011, 12:59:31 AM
Any possibility that this recovery tool can be used to scan an Android phone for the keys of an android client that no longer will properly update?
3629  Economy / Goods / Calling Hollanders! on: October 12, 2011, 12:56:05 AM
I need one small can of H.J. Wijsman & Zonen brand canned butter, for a small taste test.  I can not find it locally in the US, although I can buy it by the case online.  Please post or PM if you can ship me one can of this that won't cost me a fortune.
3630  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Silk Road the best setup to handle commerce?? on: October 12, 2011, 12:50:01 AM

We need to find a 'killer app'. If a product is valuable enough, people will support a system to keep the product easily accessible.


If VALVe would only start accepting bitcoin directly in Steam...
3631  Economy / Goods / Calling New Zealanders! on: October 12, 2011, 12:46:59 AM
I'm looking for Red Feather brand canned butter, in small cans.  I can get it by the case via several sites online, but have not been able to find it locally.  I want to buy one small can, for a taste test.  I'm trying to compare some canned butters, for my long term pantry, that my wife won't reject; and I've found some high reviews for Red Feather. 
3632  Other / Politics & Society / Re: With no taxes, what about firestations and garbage service? on: October 11, 2011, 06:15:38 PM


Modern weapons are also quite effective at extermination too.  


I can't argue against that point.  Still doesn't explain how our world is better off with huge nation-state militaries versus locally funded and concerned militias.



Small local militias will disappear when in combat with proper armies backed by foreign states.  So if you don't have a nation state military with control over the territory of your nation state, your terroty becomes a warfield.  Each battle will reduce the number of militias by at least one and eventually only one military force will be left.  You can call that remaining force the government as they own you.

That's your opinion.  I'm sure that we can both present historical examples of small local militias either running in abject fear or standing their ground, both before and after the US Revolutionary War.  Again, I've served.  I doubt that you have.  You speak as one who has book knowledge of the military, not direct experience.  And many, if not most, of the kind of person that considers himself a 'militiaman" is the same kind of person that volunteers for military service during an active national conflict.  My eight year old son has no irises, (acute bioccular anaridia, can't adjust to light at all, wears self-tinting eyeglasses to compensate) and can barely see his targets in full sun, but could thread an eye socket with his 22lr bolt action from across the backyard in moonlight.  It's entirely different when your targets are shooting back at you, though, and there is really no way to judge that until it were to occur.  No military plan of action ever survives contact with the enemy.
3633  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 11, 2011, 05:54:43 PM
Um no.  Its a civil action so there is no prospect of jail. 

Let me guess, if I were to resist the civil action, you tell me what would happen eventually.  Sure it may be civil, but if I never show up in court, they will attempt to confiscate my property, and if I resist that, they will attempt to arrest me, and if I resist that, I could very well get a bullet in the head.

Yes, all laws that are enforced will lead to dire circumstances given enough resistance. That's the nature of law.

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master! It is an instrument of force and unless our conscience is clear that we would not hesitate to put a man to death, put him in jail or forcibly deprive him of his property for failing to obey a given law, we should oppose it.” --George Washington

Your quote from Washington is ironic - he imposed a tax on whiskey and the courts imposed the death sentence on those who led the resistance.

Ah, the Whiskey Rebellion.  Washington did not impose that tax.  The POTUS does not have the power to tax, only Congress.  Congress passed a law, and then expected the executive branch to enforce it.  Sure, he could have vetoed it, but he also understood the nature of government, and that if he neutered it they would be right back to the interstate bickering that dominated under the Articles.  The rebels believed, correctly, that they were being singled out for their way of life and means of income.  They lost, it doesn't mean that they were incorrect.
3634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 11, 2011, 05:48:23 PM

A piece of plastic was sold to you, which you now own. You are free to watch it, break it, give it to your friend, etc.

It seems that you don't know the copyright laws too well, either.  The Millinium Copyright Act made the, knowing or unknowing, redistribution of copyrighted materials on encrypted media a crime.  It also makes the circumvention of said encryption a crime.  DVD's had a rudimentary encryption scheme, that proved trival for a talented 13 year old to defeat using three line of C code.  The act of buying a DVD, and then lending it to your buddy for the night without you (the owner) being present at the viewing is redistribution under the act.  Libraries have exceptions under fair use, and individuals used to as well, but no longer.  You can sell the DVD used, even though they don't like that and tried to make that illegal as well, but then the license travels with ownership.

The same thing applies to installing a game that you legally purchased on more than one computer, it's now a crime punishishable by federal prison time, even if you personally own both computers and are the only person intended to use either installation.

How many times have you committed a federal crime in the past year?
3635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 11, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1995_Dec_4/ai_17812444/

It should be obvious that the cost savings of current hardware compared to a 100 node Sun workstation cluster would be significant, but also the vast amount of highly skilled labor required in both the construction of the cluster itself, and of the custom rendering software, would be entirely unnecessary today.  Sure, Renderman might not exist, but alternatives likely would, such as VALVe's own game rendering engine.  Renderman was created for that movie, and once created was available for all such followup CGI movies.  Yet, if the movie had not been made, CGI rendering software would likely still currently exist due to first person gaming.  So if the script had been shelved, and someone were to dust it off today, the production budget would be lower by an order of magnitude if the voice actors didn't have to be Tom Hanks and Tim Allen.   Granted, it still wouldn't be cheap, but it still would have been a winner on the direct-to-video path.

As noted, however, it still wouldn't have any bearing on the principles of the matter even if I'm completely full of bovine fecal matter.

I doubt you spent as much time as I did reading Siggraph papers in the late eighties and nineties. Today's rendering hardware and software algorithms largely exist due to the pioneering research done twenty plus years ago. VALVe's own game rendering engine is a byproduct of research which began at Utah, then extended to Cornell and other places, and then to private firms such as SGI and LucasFilm.

RenderMan was not created for that movie (Toy Story). It was created in the eighties to make movies (plural).

Once you remove the hardware technicians to create a network of rendering nodes, and remove the cost to pay for famous voice talent, what are you left with? Well, a lot. The first thing you need to understand is, first person gaming has benefited heavily from the research done over the past 50 years, of which the very talented team that ultimately became a part of Pixar are significantly responsible. That's the first thing you're ignoring. What else? Concept artists, storyboarders, modelers, riggers, shader writers, procedural geometry coders, texture artists, set designers, animators, lighters, directors, cinematographers, producers, on location research, general research and development, etc.

Take a look at the credits the next time you watch a Pixar movie. I honestly don't know if you're ignoring this out of genuine ignorance, of because it's convenient for you to do so. I made a post about animators. Care to address it?

No, I don't care to address it.  I'll assume that you are correct in whole, since you seem much more versed in this particular topic than I.  It's still irrelevent.  Even if Toy Story couldn't have ever been made, the pragmatic argument does not change the fact of the matter that IP is not property, and thus IP laws are violations of real property rights.  If you sell me a DVD of your latest work, and we do not have any agreement otherwise, you have no right to prevent me from doing whatever I wish to my property.  My property is the physical DVD, your animations are just data.  If we have an agreement that I won't buy the DVD and then share your data, I'm bound by different laws and different principles.  But there is no such thing as an agreement that I'm bound to simply reason of opening a package.
3636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 11, 2011, 05:00:01 AM
If Toy Story hadn't already been produced, the exact same movie could have been produced by a creative team using three or four consumer desktops networked together.

And how does this radically reduce the cost of production of a CG animated film?

Are you serious?

Of course I'm serious. Don't you want to just answer the question?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1995_Dec_4/ai_17812444/

It should be obvious that the cost savings of current hardware compared to a 100 node Sun workstation cluster would be significant, but also the vast amount of highly skilled labor required in both the construction of the cluster itself, and of the custom rendering software, would be entirely unnecessary today.  Sure, Renderman might not exist, but alternatives likely would, such as VALVe's own game rendering engine.  Renderman was created for that movie, and once created was available for all such followup CGI movies.  Yet, if the movie had not been made, CGI rendering software would likely still currently exist due to first person gaming.  So if the script had been shelved, and someone were to dust it off today, the production budget would be lower by an order of magnitude if the voice actors didn't have to be Tom Hanks and Tim Allen.   Granted, it still wouldn't be cheap, but it still would have been a winner on the direct-to-video path.

As noted, however, it still wouldn't have any bearing on the principles of the matter even if I'm completely full of bovine fecal matter.
3637  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 11, 2011, 04:02:40 AM
If Toy Story hadn't already been produced, the exact same movie could have been produced by a creative team using three or four consumer desktops networked together.

And how does this radically reduce the cost of production of a CG animated film?

Are you serious?
3638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: With no taxes, what about firestations and garbage service? on: October 11, 2011, 03:59:03 AM


Modern weapons are also quite effective at extermination too. 


I can't argue against that point.  Still doesn't explain how our world is better off with huge nation-state militaries versus locally funded and concerned militias.

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The idea that some future war will only involve force on force is naive. 


Sure, but I didn't claim that future was will only involve force on force.  I simply stated that is the primary design of those pricey weapons systems.  If they don't have such targets, then they don't justify their pricetags. 

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 What IF the goal of the enemy is simply to exterminate you in order to take your land, water, natural resources and ensure the survival of their citizens.  Many times in human history humans have been capable of considering the "other" to be subhuman and justify extermination.  It could (likely won't but could) happen again.

Are you willing to gamble not just your life but all future generation that won't happen and that primitve outdated militias will be able to withstand an enemy force willing to exterminate you for their own survival. 


Yes.  I am, as a point in fact, willing to take the risk that free men will be unwilling to contribute to a collective defense if the alternative choice is that I must trust that commanders of nation-state, taxpayer funded militaries will continue to not simply take over by coup.  Must I point out the historical fact is that during the course of the last century, more people were killed (unnaturally) by the agents of their own governments than by all other (unnatural) causes?

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Would that be a bad thing?
Not sure what you are asking.  I am state our military should be much much smaller.  It would make foreign wars of conquest far more difficult to achieve.  I don't believe we should abandon high tech weaponry though, resort to poorly equipped militias, or privatize our national defense.

If you believe that real militias in America are, generally speaking, either poorly equipt or poorly trained you are sorely mistaken.  Sure, they don't have predator drones (yet, look at diydrones.com) but if you were to compare the self-funded gear of a real militia unit versus the "made by the lowest bidder" gear of a comparable light infantry unit of the US Army, the militia is likely to have both better quality gear and a more diverse set of gear, because they bought it themselves and many can afford much more than is ever issued to a infantryman.  As for training, at least half of real militias are comprised of military veterans.  The public image of such things is not reality, the militia units that actually exist are well organized and disciplined; and not remotely similar to the crazy survivalist/white supremist/Neo-Nazi BS that pervades the entertainment industry.
3639  Other / Off-topic / Re: Concerning commentary on a private forum.... on: October 11, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
When will the bitcoin community or even just the forum members here take presidence over not wanting to step on the toes of those that ruin these forums ?

I don't think that you understand the point.  To answer your question directly, it won't, ever.  An ignorant irritant of a member has exactly the same rights to say stupid things as anyone else does, so long as s/he continues to do so in a civil manner.  We will not favor any one group of the membership over any other, no matter how you might look at it.

I am talking about civility..

But it all depends on your version of it, I dont think its "civil" to continually bash people for being interested in bitcoin.

Maybe your talking about someone else .. ?

I probably am, since I wasn't talking about anyone in particular.  If you have concrete examples to share, I'll consider whomever you intend to highlight.
3640  Other / Politics & Society / Re: With no taxes, what about firestations and garbage service? on: October 11, 2011, 03:20:45 AM
No, if military was a decentralized service provided solely by the voluntary desires of the people, the world be a much more peaceful place.
Socialized military just promotes an unaccountable monopoly on force which is our problem in the first place.

Meh.  Having actually served the level of sophistication of modern weapon systems is not handled by decentralized militiamen.  Any such army would be swept aside.  It takes literrally a lifetime to become an expect in a field and some casual volenteers would by completely outmatched by trained soldiers. 


I disagree.  The modern weapons systems are geared towards the destruction of other capital weapons of war, and thus other nation-states.  They serve little tactial value against groups of motivated militiamen who have little or no loyalty to any particular nation-state, lines on a map or strategic plot of land.  Afganistan, holding the well-earned reputation of being the place where empires invade to die, should be a case in point.  There have been almost as many US military personelle in that country as there are armed adult males of the local civilian population, and we still can't get a handle on the situation.  Such modern weapons systems would hold nearly zero tactical value for a privately defended city-state, except perhaps for the deterent effect of WMD's

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Of course that doesn't even deal with systems like nuclear weapons ICBM, ballistic submarines, etc which are simply not decentralizable.   Our military should simply be much much much much smaller.  Like 1/20th of current size but composed of lifelong veterans and using the latest technological advancements. 


Would that be a bad thing?
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