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3061  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin relay on a piratebox.... on: February 28, 2012, 08:20:39 PM
That sounds interesting, and would be a wonderful thing to have if one had both a wifi radio and a Dash7 radio, but it's overkill for what I'm trying to do.
3062  Other / Politics & Society / Re: renting out a house is armed robbery! on: February 28, 2012, 08:04:16 PM
I'm still waiting for them to come up with a decentralized transit system and decentralized utilities. I'd do it myself, but I have no idea how such a thing could be possible, and, AFAIK, there are no historical examples.

Sure, there are historical examples of both utilites and transit systems.  If fact, historicly neither of these services were municipally owned enterprises.  In the modern world, examples of decentralized transit systems include 'jitney' cabs, Flinc (www.flinc.mobi), Avego (avego.com), Zipcar (www.zipcar.com) and RelayRides (www.relayrides.com); in addition to more obvious examples such as Greyhound (www.greyhound.com).

For that matter, the New York subway system was originally built and managed by private enterprises, but was 'nationalized' during the second world war and never given back.

As for decentralized utility services, that is really just you (or your condo association, etc) providing for itself as opposed to relying on the municipal water company or the power company to do it, but it's uncommon because the economies of scale tend to favor those municipal companies.  Even so, a local well for non-potable (i.e. toilet flushwater only) can pay for itself in no time, and there are many building in Downtown Louisville, Kentucky (where I live) that do have their own wells for that as well as for open cycle heat pumps.  I know of no private business that purifies it's own building potable water however, if only because of the liability if the filter should fail unnoticed and some old guy gets something from the water fountain that puts him in the hospital.  The municipal water service is indemnified from such events, so long as they can show that they made a 'reasonable' effort to monitor and prevent such things.

Likewise, anyone can put solar panels on their roof or buy a genset, but neither option compares to the peace and reliablility of the municipal power grid.
3063  Other / Politics & Society / Re: renting out a house is armed robbery! on: February 28, 2012, 07:48:18 PM

My understanding is that the NAP is not compatible with a state because a state insists on a monopoly on violence and you pay taxes regardless of your opinion on on what the money is spent on.

Am I wrong?

That's correct, as the concept of a state is presently known.  However, a state that does not insist on such a monopoly on legitimate use of force is not inconceivable.  Most people don't know this, but once upon a time the United States was one such nation, and there were several (but never all) of the many states that did not insist on such a monopoly either.  Most of the Western territories (i.e. Utah, Wyoming, etc) didn't have a monopoly on force within those areas as a practical matter, and that is why (despite the relative peacefulness of the age as compared to today) history refers to this period as "The Wild West".

Following it's founding of the nation of Switzerland (of the old confederacy, circa 1291), that nation could also lay credible claim to a national government that didn't insist upon a monopoly on the use of force, as such powers rested in the 'cantons' for centuries, and as a matter of practiality, most of those cantons in turn expected the citizens and clans within to participate in the maintaince of the public order.

Even Great Britain can make some claim that their societies were not originally dependent upon a government monopoly on the use of legtimate force.  For starters, the prison known as "Old Bailey" was traditionally managed by a warden and guard force recruited from within the prison population itself; so the "criminal element" (mostly debt prisoners, really) literally policed their own during their sentences.  Also, the British had (at that time) a form of private police force, as anyone could be hired as a 'constable' (as opposed to a sheriff or his deputies) who acted much like how one would expect a private security guard/detective/thug would act.  Of couse, local governments could hire constables as well, and that is exactly how modern urban police forces 'evolved' as well as where we get the word "cop", as it's entomology of the word comes from "constable on patrol".  Where I live that legacy lives on, as while the Chief of Police (sheriff) is appointed by the mayor, there are two elected positions in each county in Kentucky called 'contables' that impose police powers upon the elected individual, but offers no salary.  In practice, the elected constable is just a businessman that runs a private security force and hires off duty or former cops to hang out in banks or hotel lobbies, or serve court summons to civil actions.

So it's not true that we don't have evidence that a state can't function within the NAP, or that a state can't co-exist with private protection services.  It's only in the modern world that most people can no longer imagine such a thing.
3064  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Bitcoin relay on a piratebox.... on: February 28, 2012, 06:58:44 PM
I've built a working piratebox from a TP-Link MR-3020 (http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox_DIY_OpenWrt#Tutorial_A:_TP-Link_MR3020) and now I want to put a small bitcoin 'relay' on the device.  The goal is to have a simple process running on the piratebox that will present itself to connected peers as a bitcoin peer, allow bitcoin clients (on android devices, for example) to connect as normal, and relay transactions, blocks and other messages from one connected peer to all others present, but not to perform checks on the transactions or blocks or to keep a local blockchain.  The idea is to allow two (or more) bitcoin clients to transact in meatspace (within radio range of the piratebox) without either device needing live access to the Internet to do so.  Imagine, as an example, a phone-to-phone bitcoin transaction during a power and/or widespread Internet outage; or alternately, a transaction between two people out camping beyond their service plan's coverage map.  Why two people would want to deal in bitcoin beyond the reach (or observation) of elements of the Internet are beyond the scope of this request.
3065  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 27, 2012, 06:59:09 PM
Whats up, I am a noob who goes by Pokkett,  Anyways I have been reading post on this site only for a day. I was trying to hit up SW but it is obviously down momentarily.  I followed the link to check out what was happening and decided to register to get some net cred.

SW?
3066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian: Cassandra's Curse on: February 25, 2012, 02:39:53 AM
Um - it was Krugman and the Keynesians accurately predicted the 2008 crash and who accurately predicted the aftermath.  Libertarians predicted it too, but they have been predicting total social collapse since 1932 as well as demanding a return to the gold standard.  Sooner or later they were bound to be half right.

I can point to quotes by Krugman and others that imply exactly the opposite.  krugman is and was a prolific writer, and was bound to get a win every now and again.  Paul, by comparison, hasn't changed his views since 1971, as you mentioned.  And yes, eventually he was bound to be correct, but not because the end results were unavoidable.  But because his warnings were not considered at all.

Krugman, like many politicos, has changed his position on such matters on several occasions.  I challenge you to find variation in Paul's own written or spoken words.  Any variation at all.

We've had this conversation before when you made a thread saying Krugman lied about the Iceland crisis.  You weren't able to back it up at all while I was able to google what looked like a very consistent set of predicitions from Krugman. 

In any case, the issue is not whether or not Krugman was right.  There are libertarian economists (Tyler Cowen for example) who got it right too.  The issue is whether or not libertarians were UNIQUELY right and thus justified in comparing themselves to Cassandra.

I doubt I used the word "lied", I believe that Krugman does actually think that he's correct in most of what he says, although sometimes I have to wonder if he says some of these things knowing he's likely wrong.  I don't remember the Icelandic debate, but I don't make a habit of trying to disprove those who disagree with me with facts.  I find that most people on the Internet don't actually believe in facts, and in the end I just waste my efforts.
3067  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian: Cassandra's Curse on: February 24, 2012, 07:42:46 PM
Um - it was Krugman and the Keynesians accurately predicted the 2008 crash and who accurately predicted the aftermath.  Libertarians predicted it too, but they have been predicting total social collapse since 1932 as well as demanding a return to the gold standard.  Sooner or later they were bound to be half right.

I can point to quotes by Krugman and others that imply exactly the opposite.  krugman is and was a prolific writer, and was bound to get a win every now and again.  Paul, by comparison, hasn't changed his views since 1971, as you mentioned.  And yes, eventually he was bound to be correct, but not because the end results were unavoidable.  But because his warnings were not considered at all.

Krugman, like many politicos, has changed his position on such matters on several occasions.  I challenge you to find variation in Paul's own written or spoken words.  Any variation at all.
3068  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: State of Bitcoin on: February 24, 2012, 04:48:57 AM
There is a paradox that strikes me strongly here. On the one hand, a tonne of people seem to be interested in developing Bitcoins for ideological reasons, to develop a currency independent of corporations or central banks. On the other hand, one of the biggest groups I see on here are ex-forex traders hoping to make a quick profit! Intuitively, those seem like clashing beliefs to me: speculative-capitalist and anti-capitalist.

Or am I totally wrong.

I don't think you're wrong, per se; but you are seeing the community through colored glasses.  The dominate ideology among the early bitcoin users (myself included) is strongly libertarian.  The US, (for example) is not a free market anymore; and hasn't been since 1913.  It's literally impossible for a free market to exist if the monetary system's value is 'regulated' (price controlled) by a central bank; because the monetary system in use is half of all the transactions.  Whether or not the monetary system is well managed or not is irrelevent.
3069  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 23, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
Anyone else having trouble getting their "Logged In Time" to actually advance?
I have spent 30 minutes reading threads and only been credited with 3 minutes!



It's not a real time, but an estimate of the time that it takes to browse.  Keep moving around, but not so fast as to indicate that you aren't actually reading *any* of the threads.
3070  Other / Off-topic / Re: I hate phones. on: February 23, 2012, 03:49:18 AM
Then put the thing on silence and don't pay any attention to it till you want it.  That's what I do.  My android cell is just a portable internet and computing device, as far as I'm concerned.
3071  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 17, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
I understand why this 'restriction' is in place, but I find it unresonable!

Why don't you get people to send you some bitcoins to get whitelisted?

You could, actually.  A donation to the operating costs of this forum is a fine way to prove that you're not a bot, but it presumes that you, as a newbie, actually have any bitcoins to donate.
3072  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 17, 2012, 01:44:33 AM
Also I have a question: why isn't there an email confirmation? This information about posting only into newbies section could be also in the email so people would more likely see it...

1) email confirmations can be automated, so they no longer prevent bots.

2) the culture of this forum is one that favors high degrees of personal privacy, so an email address is not really required.
3073  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 17, 2012, 01:41:01 AM
I'm a submissive foxy, there is any other gay furries here? :3

Almost certainly, but that's not a common topic of conversation in this forum.  Please save that for the 'off-topic' section.
3074  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 13, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Rodnix here!! FIRST TIME!! I guess all newbies come here all excited!

Nope, that's a recent phenom.  I came here (about two years ago now) trying to figure out the "scam", because the idea of it was eating away at me.  I just knew it had to be some kind of scam, but the idea was so compelling I couldn't stay away.  About two weeks in, while reading the white paper for the fourth or fifth time, suddenly I "grokked" it.  And I've been here ever since.  I'm a mod mostly because I'm here just about everyday and I'm not skilled enough to help development.
3075  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 12, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
And I'm done. Thanks!
Should I report you? lol

You just did, but worry not, we are aware of his crimes.
3076  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 10, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
OK,

another question I'd like to post.  Probably doesn't belong here, but I'm new Wink

Is it possible that Mt. Gox is jumping in front of orders?   I've noticed that when I put a bid or sell in, by the time I put it in their order page which is javascript, another entry will show up in the order books by a few cents more or less (depending on buy or sell).   Additionally,  I've noticed orders of 3.33 stacked on top of mine at the same price.   Either these are computer triggered or put in by the market maker? (Mt. Gox)  But if they are computer triggered they are uber fast and sometimes before I even hit submit which would be possible with the javascript order page.

thoughts?   I have no reason to suspect wrongdoing on Mt. Gox's part or anything other than I've noticed strange "coincidental" behavior.

Although it's possible, that isn't the most likely explaination.  There is a 'dark pool' at MtGox, that allows major speculators to have standing orders that are not visable until they are in play, under the logic that a major speculator could shift the mood of the rest of the market and potentially trigger a panic.  We can argue whether or not such a panic would occur regardless, but the pool exists nontheless.
3077  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 05, 2012, 02:16:43 AM
Hi I'm GuinnessBIT,

I'm fairly new to Bit Coins but I've been reading and learning alot.

I was trading until a day or two ago when the ranges got really tight. 

Any ideas on why the volatility has dried up?   I was going to post this in bitcoin trading discussion but since I'm new I can only post it here Wink

-gBIT

Bitcoin seems to go through cycles of calm puctuated by weeks of mad movements.  I have no idea why this is, but it might end up with a 10% range for weeks or months before the next big breakout.  It's happened before.  This is generally a good thing, and as the currency matures the volatilty should quieten down more like the forex trading rather then the current pattern which is more like commodities trading.
3078  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 01, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Hello, I have heard about gpu mining yesterday from my friend,
and he gave me link to this forum where is phoenix 1.7.5 posted
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6458.0

I have make in few hour's simple GUI for that sw, but I need more to know
about that so I can make GUI with all of it's option's
if someone can grant me accsess to that part of forum I will add my GUI

B.R


This is only a demo version...

You can read all of the forum except the staff section, you just can't post anywhere else but the newbie section.  The best way to set up with pool mining is to go to one of the websites operated by one of the pools.  Use your google-fu with "bitcoin mining pool" and you will find a number of them.  Their own FAQs are the most relevant to your goal.
3079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People on: February 01, 2012, 05:29:29 PM
I think there is absolutely no reason to bring this disjunctive. No one has threatened to leave so why even suggesting it?

At worst, they would release competing, mutually aggressive algorithms and the popularity war would wage mining-power wise. That would be bad enough but the loser would just end up going along with the winner. I doubt anyone would leave the project as they have massive time and effort invested.
I don't think you have experience over these matters if you feel it's not necessary to talk about leaving. It certainly is. The moment the debates reached the stage that this thread was necessary, the situation went to the next level. To me it's not just about anyone leaving, it's about forcing someone out if he doesn't want to leave. Open source project or not, I certainly hope the other devs can force a dev out if it is deemed that he is doing more bad than good for the project. I believe that Luke might not stop interfering voluntarily.

I'm not happy that the situation reached this stage but talking about it like "everything is fine" is not the way to go. This needs to be resolved asap in a way that a similar situation is not possible in the future, at least not with the same individuals. And as far as Luke and his followers starting their own blockchain, I'm rolling on the floor laughing at that notion. Not only will Eligius be the only significant pool to join that attempt, Eligius will lose a significant amount of its hash power if Luke decides to go on a "war path" over this.

That would depend on how much better it would work. It only takes 3 pools to take over.

Not quite correct.  The pools are comprised of voluntary membership, that can leave at any time.  If there is any kind of split, those pool operators cannot count upon maintaining their leveraged position longer than it takes for the news to spread across the community.  At most, a pool operator would have three days before the majority of his membership heard about the split, and then decided for themselves whether or not they agreed with their chosen pool's direction.  To be a pool operator is a position of temporary power.
3080  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: February 01, 2012, 05:24:09 PM
Anything else to pay attention to other than being respectful, I'm just trying to ge help on making money with bitcoins and all of that jazz

Not really, just common sense.  Don't be rude.  Don't advertise in other people's threads.  Don't spam the forum with too many of your own threads.  Those kind of things.
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