So whats the refund status? Many refunds? I mean we get big news for Million-USD-Orders but no info for refunds. But that would be interesting.
They pay refunds for everyone who requests them, but i don't think there are so many requesting them. If anyone does request a refund please let us know how the procedure went and if there were any issues. |
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ken found out right on 30 November (right on the shipping deadline) that chips are going to be late?
Maybe it slipped by me but I believe November/December is the shipping deadline you are trying to quote right? That would mean december 31st would be "Right on the shipping deadline". Please try to be accurate with your posts. I find that hard to believe+ fact that there were no reasons supplied. BFL had the mighty "clock buffers", HashFast had "lack of substrate", but VMC has nothing. Yes i should trust this company.
Since you are looking for their excuse here it is. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297543.msg3782916#msg3782916Intellihash(tm)
Intellihash is our new trademark for our new Bitcoin mining software which gives up to a 20% increase in hashing speed and has the possibility to increase the speed of our mining machines as the difficulty goes up. We have had to modify the software in our chips to make it work with our new software. The chips are going to be late; however, our new Intellihash software could be a game changer for the company. Don't ask me what Intellihash is, what "modify the software in our chips" means, I don't know nor do I care. I'm simply correcting you like usual. Wow, you really know how to obfuscate the truth with your layers of bullshit. You just said people should give VMC two extra months, just like they did for hashfast. In October your mighty boss ken slaughter is telling people that the shopping cart has accurate shipping dates. Some weeks later, he says it has accurate shipping quotes again, still two months out. Nowhere are people told that they won't be getting their shipments. Please calm down and try to write correctly, it is hard enough to try and follow what you are saying. If I can try to understand what you wrote you are saying that Ken gave estimated shipping dates, then as new information came up he updated those shipping dates (While offering refunds to anyone that wanted them) and then I'm lost with your "Nowhere are people told that they won't be getting their shipments." In fact, the post you quoted says that shipments have already started. Where is the proof of that? Where are all those customers?
"Shipping:
We have this last week shipped our first products to customers.
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What the hell are you trying to hide? I can't be lying because I never promised anything or intentionally misled people about the situation. You have.
We have been asking him to post proof of this, maybe you should ask as well. It looks like you finally are starting to read a little bit. Congratulations as it is a big step in the right direction for you. Although every time you post with statements that I have to correct you are in fact intentionally misleading people with false information. Please keep this to a minimum, thank you! Since you said it again, do you even understand what illiteracy is?
I do, I assumed you could not read due to me having to quote myself multiple times to answer questions/statements you made after they were already answered in this very same thread. Maybe I was wrong and you can read so I guess we'll move on to the next two options. Again I have to assume you are because everything you ask has already been answered if you just took the time to read. So you obviously have a hard time reading, are extremely lazy, or are trolling. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Now we're left with Extremely Lazy or are trolling. Due to the amount of effort you are putting into this thread I have a hard time seeing you as lazy but that could still be the case. I'm going to assume trolling now. |
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Here is the boss in October saying that orders that day would be shipped by now. You want to tell those people where the orders are? I tried to place an order but the approx delivery is 31 December.
"Approximate date of delivery with this carrier is between Tuesday 31 December 2013 and Thursday 2 January 2014 * "
Is this Right??
Thank You
This is what our shopping cart is estimating, based on the pre-order queue. It should be before this date. All you do is lie Bargraphics. You have money on the line with this in some way, and you are causing more people to be defrauded with your statements. Please let me know where I lied, Here, I'll help you out a little  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297543.msg3782916#msg3782916November 30th - The chips are going to be late I've sent one of my friends to VMC, he bought 1THs Platinum more than a week ago. Today he called and told me that aprox. shipping would be 2-3 months. So, WTF? I'm too ordered when here in forum shipping was December, not 2-3 months.
That is for ordered which have been place last week. We have a pre-order queue, so if you are at the end of the queue, then the wait is about 2 months. Weekly Update 12/18/13
Crypto-Trade:
I have all of the legal issues worked out, and I am programming them into the verification site.
VMC:
We are working with eASIC and our engineers to get our chip and boards in full production.
We have stock piled all the hardware to build the miners and we are per-assembling the miners.
Weekly Update 12/25/13 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Here is a picture of our manufacturing line for assembling miners. Assembly LineWe are working on assembling everything, so when our boards and chips arrive, we can ship the miners fast. You post 3 month old quotes and I post the most recent and relevant quotes. I wonder which one of us is actually "lying". Guess we'll see soon enough how late they will be as I told you they said they would be and even quoted them saying it. Keep chugging along RickJames! While you are at it, what was your involvement in defrauding people with Terrahash? Don't seem to be answering those accusations either.
More illiteracy from you, let me quote myself from this same thread (again) Even though I shouldn't even reply to your troll post, I did not Shill for Terrahash as I was never paid and only based my opinions on evidence at the time. I visited them in person and they had the product to physically show me that was working when I went. Unfortunately Yifu screwed everyone that purchased Avalon chips and then Terrahash decided it would be easier to commit fraud instead of dealing with their companies issues. Also they are being sued by many people currently.
I guess I should mentioned that I also "Cheered" for KnC and they came through. I also should mention that I visited HashFast personally as well and told everyone that I believed they would be late but would have a working product and I guess I was correct on that one too. I've been to many conferences already and met some of the people that frequent this board. I guess I'm +1 all things considered! Now please stop trying to bring this thread off topic and do try and be civil. |
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Maybe, guess you should take that up in a HashFast thread. I imagine many people would disagree that they were not late.
Refund date is not the same as not being late in my opinion. Thankfully ActM has open refunds and does not have a "refund date".
The main difference between HashFast and Virtual Mining is HashFast has shown evidence of working miners, and VM has shown... zip. Give Virtual Mining two more months like you did HashFast and then we'll see . Let's be fair here! Why? In May VMC said they would be shipping by tomorrow. Hashfast started what, three months after that? "We are estimating on shipping our 45nm series of machine by 12/31/2013 and our 28nm by 6/30/2014" Where is ANY PROOF that machines are being developed? You are such a sucker, sitting here waiting for them to disappear with all the preorder money. Put up or shut up. Please do actual quotes with links to where that is said so people can see how long ago that was. Then since you are trying to do due diligence as you said you didn't need to, please quote each one of his estimated timelines as well as when he started asking for payment. Just make sure you give people a clear picture of what's going on, "only scammers and liars would hide this". |
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No it is not.
Peta? If we guess right, will you say so?   Nope, if the owner or owner(s) of the address wants to come out they can but I'm just trying to cut the guessing out. |
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Maybe, guess you should take that up in a HashFast thread. I imagine many people would disagree that they were not late.
Refund date is not the same as not being late in my opinion. Thankfully ActM has open refunds and does not have a "refund date".
The main difference between HashFast and Virtual Mining is HashFast has shown evidence of working miners, and VM has shown... zip. Give Virtual Mining two more months like you did HashFast and then we'll see . Let's be fair here! |
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crumbs was banned? link? so tard Inaba and other scammers don't get banned or scammer tag and he gets banned? what for?
Crumbs was banned a few days ago, hence his lack of posting.
Nice min 2 months delay. Are those kind of delays "usual" in the IC world? I thought you said 1-4 weeks.
Well look at HashFast, they did take over $14M from the community and are two months late and they bragged about paying all of their contractors (Design house, Fab, Assembly, Shipping Companies, etc..) extra to speed things along. Maybe my estimation is wrong but I'll stick to it and just say that there were probably some bigger issues that caused a larger delay then normal. By the looks, HashFast wasn't late at all. They just lied to their customers about a Oct/Nov delivery. The same thing COULD apply to VMC too since there was no specific dates in their published agreement with eASIC. Maybe, guess you should take that up in a HashFast thread. I imagine many people would disagree that they were not late. Refund date is not the same as not being late in my opinion. Thankfully ActM has open refunds and does not have a "refund date". |
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You failed to finish the discussion crumbs and I were having, but if you don't feel like clicking through that thread, I understand. See below for an explanation, from Ken, re: Moving shipping dates.
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Ken claimed that the dates on his site were never changed in his email to a customer. The dates were obviously changed, we agree on this. This type of discrepancies are better known as "lies." I believe you to be confused. It was made clear months ago that the shipping date was changing as the queue was filling up with orders. Feel free to post the e-mail that Ken sent and we'll figure out what date he was talking about. I suspect it was the batch one ship date. Kleek, NickDanger is crumbs if you did not know this already. Please post accordingly. |
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Listen guys,
I'm not going to say who it is because I was privileged to that information and would like it to stay that way.
You don't need to know who it is just that it isn't Active Mining but I would have LOVED for it to be.
Now let's move on, if the person, person(s), or company that is holding that address want to come forward then that is when you will know who it is.
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225 TH/s is a nice, even 9x24.567 TH Fast-Hash One Platinum miners.
It goes from 65 TH (roughly 3x24.5 TH - could have been working out some bugs, bad chips, or hardware build issues), to 100 TH (roughly 4x24.5 TH), to 150 TH (roughly 6x24.5 TH), to 225 TH (roughly 9x24.5 Th)...
Whoever is mining is operating at roughly 2.25% of the global Bitcoin hash rate.
It's not ActM. I know this for a fact, as much as I would rather it be them. Do you know who it is? Whoever it is is mining on your pool - the one you suggested Ken mine on. They are adding in increments divisible by 25 TH. It's not "my" pool but yes I do mine there I also do know who it is. What machines is he/she using? Pretty good ones apparently |
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crumbs was banned? link? so tard Inaba and other scammers don't get banned or scammer tag and he gets banned? what for?
Crumbs was banned a few days ago, hence his lack of posting.
Nice min 2 months delay. Are those kind of delays "usual" in the IC world? I thought you said 1-4 weeks.
Well look at HashFast, they did take over $14M from the community and are two months late and they bragged about paying all of their contractors (Design house, Fab, Assembly, Shipping Companies, etc..) extra to speed things along. Maybe my estimation is wrong but I'll stick to it and just say that there were probably some bigger issues that caused a larger delay then normal. |
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I placed 2 orders on 22th of November with shipping date 31th of December 2014. My shipping dates are moved to atleast February 22th.
Last e-mail from VMC customer service
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Dear Customer,
Pre-Order Terms: This is a pre-order. 28nm ASIC products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 3 months or more after order.Your items wont be shipping til between February 22th-March 20th.
Regards,
Customer service
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Are you going to wait or get a refund? If you choose to get a refund please report back here how the process went. Sadly there are a lot of alt accounts of crumbs being made (dolor, doloreshaze, doloresmaze, nickdanger, cropcircle) because he was banned so if you could provide some definitive proof of your order/payment that would be great. If not I understand. |
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225 TH/s is a nice, even 9x24.567 TH Fast-Hash One Platinum miners.
It goes from 65 TH (roughly 3x24.5 TH - could have been working out some bugs, bad chips, or hardware build issues), to 100 TH (roughly 4x24.5 TH), to 150 TH (roughly 6x24.5 TH), to 225 TH (roughly 9x24.5 Th)...
Whoever is mining is operating at roughly 2.25% of the global Bitcoin hash rate.
It's not ActM. I know this for a fact, as much as I would rather it be them. Do you know who it is? Whoever it is is mining on your pool - the one you suggested Ken mine on. They are adding in increments divisible by 25 TH. It's not "my" pool but yes I do mine there I also do know who it is. |
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I was the only one crying "scam" and "con". RickJamesBTC and Entropy-uc didn't
ALL I SEE IS SCAM. you want me to say scam, there it is
I wouldn't touch this scam with a ten foot pole.
Again you are incorrect RoadStress. I'm not saying that they won't have chips soon, i'm just asking for some reasons for their success except NDA and naked assembly benches. I try to cut the garbage out of your posts so I apologize for not quoting you fully. I think we are in agreement here. I'm not saying they will have chips soon or at all. I'm simply stating that with the knowledge presented it is likely that they will. You and RickJamesBTC seems to like to see me repeat myself. We already had this conversation in the other thread which I already quoted on this one. There's certain timelines in the IC world that are "usual". There are certain delays that are "usual". If you take both of them and also take the timeline that was given by the owner of the company then you would come to the same conclusion. If this company isn't a total scam then they should have chips relatively soon (Read: within a month to two months) because of their admitted delays. It's up to you and anyone else that is interested in this company (if you are not interested in the company then why even ask these questions..) to decide if the information given is enough to trust the company. Obviously for you personally it is not and I can respect that. Just like RickJamesBTC you want to see an actual chip unfortunately that cannot happen until it is manufactured (Another point I already quoted in this thread from the other thread). So now here we are guys. You have all the facts presented to you regardless if you want to read them or not. You still choose to want to see a working product which means you have to wait until end of January/February. If you choose not to wait then there's nothing left to say here, you guys will keep screaming scam until then and there's nothing I can do because that is your opinion and for all I know might be correct. |
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225 TH/s is a nice, even 9x24.567 TH Fast-Hash One Platinum miners.
It goes from 65 TH (roughly 3x24.5 TH - could have been working out some bugs, bad chips, or hardware build issues), to 100 TH (roughly 4x24.5 TH), to 150 TH (roughly 6x24.5 TH), to 225 TH (roughly 9x24.5 Th)...
Whoever is mining is operating at roughly 2.25% of the global Bitcoin hash rate.
It's not ActM. I know this for a fact, as much as I would rather it be them. |
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When someone vouches for a company and defends them as much as he has, there is a reason for it. It also creates a situation where people investigating a company they might purchase from only sees all his positive posts and thinks, gee this might be real. Fact is he invested in some nonsense shares of this scam, so he is tied into it and trying to protect that investment. The company still hasn't produced any proof of work that we can see, and until they do, they can sit over on the scam chair in the corner.
I'm not vouching for the company as I've stated multiple times but somehow you missed.... I'm not defending the company, I'm answering the questions/false statements you have about the company with information directly from the company that anyone can find. I'm simply making it easier for them as it is spread out over the board. they might purchase from only sees all his positive posts and thinks, gee this might be real. That is up to them to decide after being give all the facts, they will also read your inciteful "This is a scam, you are a shill, the world is against me" posts without any proof other than "Show me the hardware" which is a valid claim but if it is still in development than there is nothing to see which is why it is a "pre-order" right now. There are always risks with Pre-Orders so getting all of the information you can on a company should help make a decision. Will you be wearing your VMC shirt?
I'd wear a KnC shirt if Bitcoinorama ever sent me one like he was supposed to. If I make up a VMC shirt will you go to the convention? I also ordered from KnC, you can check out my progress here. http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1FscNBYzd5CqDzUVQ9YapLQNtLbswkM4NLShow me facts. Everyone is gonna call me a troll for not believing that a picture of some cheap workbenches and some boxes for computer cases equals shipping miners?
You are called a troll because no where do they state they are selling in-hand gear. The gear does NOT exist yet so how could they show you a picture of it. No one here is saying they have a working unit. They do not as far as anyone knows. That is why it is called a "Pre-Order". You should really have a friend go over your posts, it might save you from looking like a hypocrite. moron. scammer
shill poster
stupid
psychic
thief
liar.
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I thought you were going away, back to your VMC sponsored apartment.
Everyone but you must know what inaba 2.0 means. My opinion is anything but humble, I respond loud and forceful to lying shits like you out to serve their own interests and help other people get ripped off. There are enough victims here.
Do you ever go to any of the Bitcoin Conferences? I'll be at the Miami one January 25th. I'd honestly love to meet you. |
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you don't sound smart when you try to insult people
I don't need to perform due diligence, moron.
You already have a bad reputation on this board
Based on your humble opinion I presume I'm sure you will do anything to keep getting paid by vmc.
Actually dividends haven't been given out in some time, hopefully soon dust dividends will start rolling in again. Inaba 2.0?
You do know that Inaba (Josh) works for Butterfly Labs. Since I do not work for VMC, I cannot be "Inaba 2.0". Your logic again is flawed. Enjoy the rest of your night, if you have any other questions you'd like answered please don't hesitate to ask. I understand you have some sort of typing related coprolalia but I won't let that stop me from trying to help you with your ignorance.
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Yeah, because I should read every post by everyone involved. naw
Yes, yes you should because that is called due diligence. Good behavior for a scammer, release some NDA and no proof of any working hardware. You really have to be stupid as a vegetable to believe that you are defending a valid company.
Enjoy the rest of your night, if you have any other questions you'd like answered please don't hesitate to ask. I understand you have some sort of typing related coprolalia but I won't let that stop me from trying to help you with your ignorance. |
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