That clamour stuff was just a scam to shut up the people who wanted end digging?
When need 90% of votes to make any changes that clamour stuff has really no meaning.
Is hard enough get over 50% to care, but over 90% of votes they get only in North Korea and places like that.
This is the first I've heard of 90% support being needed. Incidentally here's the support for each petition over the last 10,000 blocks: $ clamd getsupport { "threshold" : 0, "window" : 10000, "endblock" : 805025, "startblock" : 795026, "support" : { "0000cb61" : 195, "02fde4a4" : 499, "066b223d" : 69, "26dfbf81" : 38, "5afa074c" : 3807, "694c26a6" : 413, "7a69a853" : 1664, "c9328886" : 46, "deaddea1" : 23, "e2ef93da" : 44, "ea06c089" : 1713, "eff96b06" : 26, "ff839af9" : 2261 } } "5afa074c" (stop digging) has the most support, at 38.07% So what is the % need for change anything? Technically you would need greater then 50%. But as smooth points out, to make sure you have a smooth transition you would need to make sure you have more then a slight margin. 55%, 60% 70%, but no where near the 90%. You need enough of a cushion so that if you made the change, you would have greater then 50% staking power to keep moving your chain ahead. But not everyone want to vote for or against digging. So if 20% not want to vote for and against. Then 40% is half of the votes The way I understand it is if you do not vote then it is a vote to do nothing. In order for something to get considered at least 51% plus of the network must vote on that item. So people that do not vote are actually voting by default |
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Making a push. Sending 350 TH for the next 6 hours, and 300 TH for the rest of the day on Nicehash / Westhash split.
I will add 100th I can do about 100th in a few days for 6 hours or so if you all would like to coordinate a time in the next few days. If enough of us collaborate I think our chances will be quite good to hit a block soon! |
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What do you think about the reasons there are only about half shares voting petition? I think substantional part of the non voters dont know about the voting feature. What about making announcement on the front page of JD about the voting + maybe doing it a bit simpler (checkboxes) + better description of petitions (mostly the one line gives so little info)
That clamour stuff was just a scam to shut up the people who wanted end digging?
When need 90% of votes to make any changes that clamour stuff has really no meaning.
Is hard enough get over 50% to care, but over 90% of votes they get only in North Korea and places like that.
I have purposely not been pushing CLAMour yet, as we don't have a user-friendly client compiled and ready to go for less-technical users. It was announced as a post in the thread because it doesn't require an update, and I wanted some limited usage to identify any major problems. In the end, it would be preferable that there is a user-friendly method to self-verify results and place support in the client. The UI for placing support is essentially complete (thanks kefkius) and the self-verify portion is underway, though bogged down in an update to fix -reindex (to my understanding).
Once everything is in line so that ALL users can participate in a user-friendly manner; it will be pushed out on the webpage (which is going to get another drastic makeover), social, etc. This is very good news, although it is really easy to use it on JD if you can follow the simple instructions on his site. The local clients will benefit the most from a more user friendly GUI and will make people feel like they actually have a choice instead of an illusion of choice. Thanks for the update and work! |
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another reason is temperature, GTX970 works at a very high temperature (75C with 25C ambient, even with the three coolers, insane!) , I don't like that, as an electronic tech, i know temp kill rigs badly!, it's only a matter of time!.
Don't get me wrong Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 where fantastic cards, I love them, power density is awesome, they are extremely stable, beautiful (i know, I'm a nerd, can't help it) but when it comes down to power efficient, it's like 40% more than 750Ti (including the rig overhead!).
There's nowhere near 40% difference in efficiency between a 750 Ti and a 970 because they are both Maxwell cards. The only way you'd get such a huge difference is if you use a memory bandwidth/latency hard algo (old lyra2) but for most algos a 970 is about 2.7-3.1x times faster than a 750 Ti which reflects their power consumption. I have GV-N970WF3OC 970 cards which are virtually the same as the G1 ones and they never ever go above 60°C with 8cm gap between them. The 1 fan 970 minis on the other hand would go 75+ if I'd let them but I use a 70°C temp target on them. I plan on measuring the hashrate, power consumption, temperature for all relevant algos, for all the different type of cards I have with different power targets for a long time, I think I'll get to it later this week and share the results. also, mining, kills hard drives like crazy, unless use SSD which are expensive here.
Not unless you use terrible HDDs to begin with like WD Green series which keep parking the head after 8 seconds of being idle and are only rated at 300.000 of these parkings. 60GB SSDs are not expensive anymore (and preserve their price better) and I'm still below 1TB total writes on them after 1 year of constant use running several wallets. You can also use the free version of ramdisk to keep some of the read/writes off of your ssd if you want to optimize things even more. http://www.radeonramdisk.com/software_downloads.phpTrue, but then I'd have to buy more than 4GB RAM per rig. And I'm not worried though, SSDs are not that fragile anymore. The OS SSD in my main rig (Samsung 840 Pro) is still only at 12% wear (0 reallocated sectors) with 15 TB writes and 666 days uptime with all kinds of caching and indexing enabled for maximum speed. It will get obsolete way before it dies on me due to wear. With a quality SSD like that, it makes plenty of sense to run things the way you are. I tend to use less expensive ($25-$30)60GBdrives with 8gb of ram in my systems cloned to a backup thumb drive with clonezilla. I have had systems running for over a year with no issues, but a better quality SSD might be a better choice in my future. I have yet to experiment with a ramdisk type solution on my linux rig |
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What do you think the strategy is of a person like this who has such a high hash rate to force lower rewards? user---anonymous KH/s---10,149 XMG/Day-----138.019
I assume they are using an energy efficient GPU or FPGA and just want to make everyone with a cpu waste more energy.
They have speeds 30x-40x faster than an average cpu miner
Would be nice if we could all get our hands on an energy conserving GPU miner so we could be on an even playing field with these thugs.
Imagine 3000 KH/S on a 40-60 watt($99) GPU compared to a 150 KH/s on a 100 WATT ($200+)CPU
Everyone could throttle to around 400 KH/s and then ramp things up if the thugs appear with very low power consumption
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another reason is temperature, GTX970 works at a very high temperature (75C with 25C ambient, even with the three coolers, insane!) , I don't like that, as an electronic tech, i know temp kill rigs badly!, it's only a matter of time!.
Don't get me wrong Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 where fantastic cards, I love them, power density is awesome, they are extremely stable, beautiful (i know, I'm a nerd, can't help it) but when it comes down to power efficient, it's like 40% more than 750Ti (including the rig overhead!).
There's nowhere near 40% difference in efficiency between a 750 Ti and a 970 because they are both Maxwell cards. The only way you'd get such a huge difference is if you use a memory bandwidth/latency hard algo (old lyra2) but for most algos a 970 is about 2.7-3.1x times faster than a 750 Ti which reflects their power consumption. I have GV-N970WF3OC 970 cards which are virtually the same as the G1 ones and they never ever go above 60°C with 8cm gap between them. The 1 fan 970 minis on the other hand would go 75+ if I'd let them but I use a 70°C temp target on them. I plan on measuring the hashrate, power consumption, temperature for all relevant algos, for all the different type of cards I have with different power targets for a long time, I think I'll get to it later this week and share the results. also, mining, kills hard drives like crazy, unless use SSD which are expensive here.
Not unless you use terrible HDDs to begin with like WD Green series which keep parking the head after 8 seconds of being idle and are only rated at 300.000 of these parkings. 60GB SSDs are not expensive anymore (and preserve their price better) and I'm still below 1TB total writes on them after 1 year of constant use running several wallets. You can also use the free version of ramdisk to keep some of the read/writes off of your ssd if you want to optimize things even more. http://www.radeonramdisk.com/software_downloads.php |
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But for this I need to finish some necessary features first
ETA for first testnet downloads? I hope end of next week. As for the progress update with screenshots, will we see that today? Even this takes more time than I anticipated, it's like writing a whitepaper. I'll do what I can to release it before the week is over. Something quick and dirty works for me. It's been a long haul (thanks to everyone involved for their efforts) and it would be nice to see something today - one or two screenshots with a few arrows works. The new lead devs idea for running Bitcoin nodes has the potential to be the biggest thing in Bitcoin this year and I for one fear the constant pushing back of timing from 'later today' to 'next week', or 'next month', etc., will either make people lose confidence or gift the initiative to another project. That really would be a shame when this project could see a top 5 marketcap by the summer and probably more than handsomely rewarding the devs for their innovation and hardwork. I think its better to do it right than release something for the sake of impatient people. Those that are aware of what is involved with advanced projects like this understand the difficulty and dedication involved. If the price went down and a few impatient people left, I think spread would be better off without those people in the long run anyways. |
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Not sure what the point of this behaviour is.
Best guesses for this behavior: 1) Keep the SPR price down artificially (some other coin is feeling threatened by SPR going up in market cap) 2) Create a bigger spread, the bigger the spread the higher the profit (buy low, sell high; someone is making some money on this, not a whole lot though) 3) Miner selling without waiting for a buyer (pretty lame but it does happen) This has been going on for months, I can only assume this will go away as the spread gets smaller and SPR goes up in value. The price was around .00004 for about a year before this big buy order in one day. Most people speculated that this was some sort of manipulation to gain more spread or cash out for Bitcoin. Nothing has really changed in the last couple of days to call for a price higher than .00004 Those of us that saw what was happening and had a stash of spread to sell did well Spread is still worth .00004 at this point, people are paying more because of a frenzy induced by some large volume one day Those mining and buying at this artificial price and difficulty are the ones getting screwed by this |
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One time big volume is nothing to be very concerned about, but important to make a note of.
If Volume continues to be similar to this for a month or more then it time to take notice.
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Looks like things are starting to get interesting for SpreadCoin with that 33+ bitcoin volume today!
I think people are starting to realize the potential of Spread
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For now you can also use fpga, but I think John is considering changing the algo to stop fpga farms soon.
I agree about SP's they are a much better way to generate VNL.
But adding miners is also good for the network.
Removing FPGA mining sounds like a reasonable solution considering the current issues with large farms. Did John make a post regarding stopping Fpga mining in this forum or somewhere else? |
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Double-Divs to Stakers this week
Week 28: 20 BTCD have been paid to 570 unique BitcoinDark addresses for successfully staking blocks 842605-853390
Week 29: 18 BTCD have been paid to 577 unique BitcoinDark addresses for successfully staking blocks 853391-863441
Thanks for staking and supporting the BitcoinDark network.
Exciting development still continues on Iguana. Btcddev has posted some updates but most all of the action is taking place on slack. We're really excited to get Iguana out to the community for testing soon. It has been a long road, but in the case of Bitcoindark, the wait will be worth it.
Thanks guys. And btw, I don't forsee any delays paying dividends until the end of January, so expect divs to be back on a weekly schedule for over the next month.
This is great news, glad to see things moving along. I have been a fan for quite some time(early mining days) and continue to follow progress |
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Thanks for the update and all your hard work Nice to see Mue back on track |
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Can you make sure the password rest options work on the pool
I have not been able to log back in
You are right, seems there is problem with my SASL settings on the poolside. I'll fix this issue. Perfect, Thank you for getting back to me and letting me know. It will be nice to start using that pool again |
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Just found this thread and I am gonna give it a shot with some rental hash for a little while. I am contemplating throwing my miners at it after the rental is done.
Thanks we can use the help! I am renting 200Th for the next 8-9 hours and it is climbing the ranks currently.  Awesome, nice to see more people getting involved in the community and pool! With a few more dedicated miners I am sure we will start to find blocks more often. |
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Anyone else going to be playing LOL and getting the Christmas Bonus? http://digibytegaming.com/I am thinking I might have to jump on for a few games around that time. |
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If this pool doesn't at least hit one block every 14 days and each time difficulty is considerably increasing while the hashrate is stagnating... how are you ever going to get out of the variance trap?
You don't.
which is why we need increased hash rate. The pool needs to run at 150th or more at a steady average. Nice to see a steady 200TH going on Hopefully we have enough people to sustain this long term |
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