I haven't posted much in the Clams thread but I am a fan of Clams because it has some of the best built code.
I really with you guys would stop arguing with each other over petty things, if you guys are so concerned about the digging then just fork it out. I see the same dispute over the original idea that I have always seen in that there is always someone saying that the original idea should be stuck to but the truth is that it doesn't matter because ideas change and evolve over time, what was thought to be a good idea may not be in retrospect.
So for the love of god stop arguing and blaming each other and start working together on a solution, persuade everyone why your solution is best or why it should stay as it is, take some polls and rest the matter.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.4980A solution was offered to please both sides I am for it or at least the option to vote on it |
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This is exactly what a CLAMjew whale digger would say though to lull a community into a false sense of security to increase the coin price to dump on it further is it not doog? I'd be leary of him saying he has no more addresses. it seems to perfect he just be out now after some of the projected numbers I saw.
You're right, and I'm suspicious by nature. Of course, he could also be telling the truth. We can't know the difference. Even if digging resumes, we won't know whether it's the same guy or not. In crypto everyone is guilty until proven innocent! |
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I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM
What size stacks did you have the 200 split into? Since he only staked once, it doesn't really matter. Even if the 200 CLAM was in a single output the one stake will have frozen it for 8 hours only, so he was still actively staking for 13.6 days of the 14. Seems like a better option would be to split that 200 into smaller amounts say 10-15 in size and allow for a month to pass. Having a large stack locked up for 8 hours seems like a waste |
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I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.
Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet. Unfortunate, indeed. Was hoping your offer would get more traction. We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested. Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon. A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better! I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location I did try to stake on my own. However, I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM. That was why I gave up. Hoping that the devs can find ways to help smaller holders stake on their own. Otherwise people will just all go JD or leave. What size stacks did you have the 200 split into? |
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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd
Why don't more people point that out? I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network. An interesting data-point, surely. Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet. Unfortunate, indeed. Was hoping your offer would get more traction. We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested. Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon. A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better! I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location |
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He who has the private keys owns the money. It is most certainly "Doog's money" at the present because he has the power to control it.
I disagree. When you lend me your car for the day does it become my car just because I have the keys? Just because I could steal it if I wanted to? When you call the cops on me do they say "well, he has the key, so it's his car now". They don't. Ownership is something more than simple control. The fact remains that this decentralized currency is very centrally concentrated under the control of one person presently.
Indeed. One look at http://blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM tells you that. The top guy has 5%. Why is that so bad? It's like that in real life with dollars isn't it? Its over 70% of the current supply and that is bad from a network security standpoint |
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1. Certain people creating shady services that benefited from the value you brought to Clam
No need for me to point any fingers I am sure its very clear to most
I have NoAreaClue who you could be referring to. 2. The uncertainty of more large holders/diggers with questionable ways they happened to have so many addresses
Clearly the large digger benefited immensely from the Value you brought to clam
Its just seems to me like many variables are out of your(most everyones) control
I guess everyone knows another 500,000 free clam holder could pop up tomorrow and its what we all signed up for
OK, I see. Undoubtedly the digger made (and will make) a whole lot of money that he wouldn't have made if Just-Dice hadn't adopted CLAM. I don't have a problem with that though. I guess your word "skimming" made it sound like you were implying some kind of a scam, whereas I don't think either of your examples are scammy - just opportunistic. opportunistic is probably a better word, but I am not ruling out scammy yet. |
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It's cute that people say this, but JD has controlled more than 50% of the coin supply ever since I've been using it. It's over 70% currently, peaked around 77% recently, somebody big divested, it would seem.
Yes, but it is not Doog's money, but from the investors, and there is no one big investor: http://just-dice.blogspot.de/search/label/bankrollThere is no way to know how many accounts one investor might have. The danger of 51% attacks is very real until and unless the coin becomes much more widely distributed and used for more things besides investing in the JD bankroll. Most people trust dooglus (or the coin would have no value) but things can go wrong. The site can be hacked. He might sell it. Or, he might turn bad after all. More large diggers are probably an advantage for security especially if they stake their own coins. If they invest in JD or sell to people who invest in JD then it is no change. It's pretty unlikely that a single new (huge!) digger is going to come along and dig up enough to 51% attack by himself and that becomes even more unlikely the more coins are dug up (including by this current whale digger) and staked. I agree with you on this point, as much as I think dooglus is an honorable person you should never keep all your clams in one clam basket. I keep a small portion on his site, but a majority of what I have stakes in multiple wallets. More people staking and less clams in a centralized location makes for a better network. We could solve the issue now if people would just take half of what they have on Jd and stake on a local wallet. |
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Its becoming very apparent how many people have been skimming off the back of dooglus
I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain? 1. Certain people creating shady services that benefited from the value you brought to Clam No need for me to point any fingers I am sure its very clear to most 2. The uncertainty of more large holders/diggers with questionable ways they happened to have so many addresses Clearly the large digger benefited immensely from the Value you brought to clam Its just seems to me like many variables are out of your(most everyones) control I guess everyone knows another 500,000 free clam holder could pop up tomorrow and its what we all signed up for |
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Its becoming very apparent how many people have been skimming off the back of dooglus
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That snapshot idea is sounding better and better
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I've been asked to make my current thoughts clear.
I don't plan on making any kind of a new coin at the moment. SuperCLAM has stepped up and proposed a polling system (that I don't yet fully understand), and so I am willing to see how that pans out. If we as a community can use the forthcoming polling system to make changes that we want then I don't see the need for a new coin.
I'm not committing to never making a new coin, but I don't think it's likely that I will make one. CLAM is niche enough as it is without further splitting the community into two pieces.
Thanks for making that clear, it will be easy to make a decision now. |
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Doesn't help with a 1.5x faster hardware when the software is 2x slower.. So you will need someone to create a good compiler, and someone to mod the code..
The 980ti is around 3x faster than the 780ti mining quark.
The 980ti is around 2x faster than the 780ti mining x11.
The 980ti is around 1.5x faster than the 780ti mining lyra2v2.
That is interesting considering the 780ti and 980ti look very similar hardware specs wise other than a bit more memory(3GB) and a tiny amount of cuda cores(16more) on the 980ti Why the big difference? |
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IBM(Xilinix) and Intel(Altera ) are both working with FPGA makers to produce CPUs with FPGAS built in.
Nvidia Pascal looks to be 10 times faster than Maxwell and is expected to be released in 2016
If the Pascal specs are true, it would breathe some new life into GPU mining
10 times? I don't think it's possible with the current technology, and even if it was, nvidia wouldn't break the upgrade path releasing such a product. I guess max 1.5x maxwell with same power consumption. 1.5x sounds more realistic considering it will be 16nm |
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IBM(Xilinix) and Intel(Altera ) are both working with FPGA makers to produce CPUs with FPGAS built in.
Nvidia Pascal looks to be 10 times faster than Maxwell and is expected to be released in 2016
If the Pascal specs are true, it would breathe some new life into GPU mining
I already have an ARM dual-core with an FPGA on the same chip. I remember looking at the Parallella with Dual core ARM A9 and a 16-core Epihany coprocessor / FPGA What brand/model did you go with? |
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IBM(Xilinix) and Intel(Altera ) are both working with FPGA makers to produce CPUs with FPGAS built in.
Nvidia Pascal looks to be 10 times faster than Maxwell and is expected to be released in 2016
If the Pascal specs are true, it would breathe some new life into GPU mining
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It seems to me that we're never going to reach agreement on how best to proceed. I don't know what else to try. Taking a vote is unpopular. Making a new coin is unpopular. Leaving things unchanged is unpopular. It seems that no matter what I suggest I'm the bad guy.
I think that's pretty normal in altcoin world - often hard to reach a concensus, or even intelligent discussion sometimes  For the record I don't think you are the "bad guy". I think you are going to have to make the call, and some people will not be happy some will. You cant please all the people all the time. So I don't have to spend time (in which I should be coding  ) reading the past * days discussion could you please summarise the advantages / reasons for starting Doogcoin? I am with you on this point, just make a decision on Doogcoin and let us know one way or another. |
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I would support most of the alternatives, what ever you choose or get people voting on.
1. Contunies everything as it is.
2. Changeing clam rules to not allow digging
3. Use a snapshot of clamchain to base a new coin on
Thats all fine for me.
But i think most investors wont support anything when its unknown.
You can also say everything will continue as normal and there will be taken a new snapshot in future a few days before a the new coin will be made.
It can be based on both snapshot or the last one.
Then people can safetly buy clam without worry jd will get a new coin.
Snapshot would have to be in the past to avoid manipulation What? Choosing a past block (without being transparent about it) *IS* manipulation. It gives advantage to those who "made" that decision. This is how Clam was originally distributed, so those that dig/buy Clam should be familiar with that type of distribution. |
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I would support most of the alternatives, what ever you choose or get people voting on.
1. Contunies everything as it is.
2. Changeing clam rules to not allow digging
3. Use a snapshot of clamchain to base a new coin on
Thats all fine for me.
But i think most investors wont support anything when its unknown.
You can also say everything will continue as normal and there will be taken a new snapshot in future a few days before a the new coin will be made.
It can be based on both snapshot or the last one.
Then people can safetly buy clam without worry jd will get a new coin.
Snapshot would have to be in the past to avoid manipulation |
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@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.
Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.
Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution. But some clarification on all that would be good. I hope so, because anything else would be a ripoff! Lets say we both have 50k Clams on Poloniex it may happen that we get different amounts of Doogcoin depending on which coin of ours was deposited after and which one before block 730000. And the funny thing is, we have no control about it whatsoever. As I suggested earlier, the cutoff should be announced well in advance so people have an opportunity to position themselves accordingly. For example, if an exchange has not committed to honor the distribution then you can withdraw from it. I think the intention is to go back before the digger had such an impact on the coin. How would you deal with the digger getting the rest of his coins and throwing them in a wallet before the cutoff date? You don't, if you want to be even remotely fair about it. "The digger" has the same legitimate ownership of his CLAMs as anyone else. Does anyone really think that it would be anything other than a joke to target (primarily) one particular person to have their CLAMs invalidated? I have a hard time imagining any suggest that with a straight face. But as I said earlier, a new coin can use whatever distribution it wants, however absurd. You could assign coin balances randomly for that matter. I disagree, no one will have Clams invalidated and things will remain as they are for Clam holders. No one is suggesting targeting anyone in regards to the Clam distribution I agree, a new coin is really up to the person that makes it to decide the specs |
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