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3981  Economy / Economics / Re: Why economists say Bitcoin a bubble on: October 22, 2017, 09:50:47 PM
A bubble is when an asset is tremendously overvalued in relation to its fundamental metrics under circumstances where a sharp and imminent decline in value is expected as a natural correction based on market mechanics.

The reason the bubble argument may not be a good criticism of bitcoin involves bitcoin's growth. Its userbase doubles every 12 months. There is a sharp increase in the volume of transactions which could also be indicative of high growth.

For an analogy, imagine if microsoft's userbase doubled every 12 months. That could mean twice as many copies of microsoft windows would be sold every 12 months which would likely be accompanied by a massive percentage gain in their stock price. Bitcoin's growth potential for the future is extremely high. Growth projections factor heavily into the discussion of whether crypto is a bubble and as of yet there isn't anyone who is addressing this.
3982  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I create infographics that simplify the crypto market. any idea for subject? on: October 21, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
Some ideas.

-California has such an excess of electricity generated by home owners mounting solar panels on their homes, they have to pay neighboring states to take their surplus electricity to avoid damaging their electrical grid. An infographic of this with a caption saying: "Crypto could solve california's energy surplus crisis," could show how miner energy consumption isn't always the evil some portray it as.

-The US dollar being $20 trillion in debt with the European Union euro being $12-16 trillion in debt, then bitcoin/crypto having $0 debt. Some say bitcoin is a bubble but unfortunately the us dollar and euro could be bigger bubbles with those extreme levels of debt hanging over them.

-A chart comparing microsoft, amazon and other corporations large growth over their history to bitcoin's growth could show that btc's growth is sustainable and not the bubble some claim.

-A chart comparing btc price increases to demand or number of transactions could also show that the price of btc is increasing at near to the same rate at which its userbase is growing, which could imply its not a bubble.
3983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best way to explain super non technical person what's blockchain? on: October 21, 2017, 09:39:43 PM
Bittorrent with its distributed networking architecture could be a passable comparison in terms of how nodes/miners and the networking aspect of crypto functions. Crypto nodes are run on a volunteer basis similar to how bittorrent seeds are run and the hardware resources they devote to the system are shared over transactions similar to the relationship between seeds and downloaders on bittorrent.

The mining aspect of bitcoin is like a cross between gold and this form of rock currency which was carved into a doughnut shape with a hole in the middle to represent work.



Instead of laborious effort needed to carve rocks into shapes, bitcoin miners express this effort in terms of a high number of cryptographic calculations with the supply of bitcoin being limited cryptographically to prevent "overprinting" of currency/devaluation. This is where all those GPU's and ASICs come into play hammering out high volumes of floating point operations (FLOPs). The cryptographic portion of things also provides security in terms of raising the bar of how much cryptographic power would be required to falsify transactions.

Blockchain is a ledger based system which merges these two technologies, distributed networking with a miner based cryptographic system. Past that its difficult to explain without someone knowing what programming algorithms/data structures are.

Maybe it would make better sense if it was described as a chain, like a physical steel chain with data contained inside each link that is verified by miners with new links in the chain being produced when new transactions are initiated.
3984  Economy / Economics / Re: Electronic Money vs. Physical Money on: October 21, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
This is a question that is asked often on this forum. Suffice it to say both electronic and physical methods of payment have their strengths and weaknesses, advantages and disadvantages.

Electronic payment can be faster and more convenient. With a click of a mouse button your transaction is completed.

Physical money requires a person to physically be able to exchange their paper money or precious metals for transactions to be conducted.

There are arguments both for and against electronic money being more secure from theft or scams. And there are arguments both for or against gold and precious metals being more secure or reliable in the event of natural disasters like hurricanes.

The topic "physical versus electronic money" may be too vague and non specific to produce a good discussion.
3985  Economy / Economics / Re: UBS: Cryptocurrencies Are a ‘Speculative Bubble’ on: October 21, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
This thread contains good information, charts and graphs for bitcoin not being a bubble:

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The cryptocurrency market size is set to grow ten-fold by 2025 according to a new research booklet published by US Equity Research analysts at Canadian investment bank, Canaccord Genuity.

At a time when other analysts are predicting the demise of bitcoin and its peers, and financial figureheads such as Jamie Dimon believe that bitcoin is a “fraud,” Canaccord’s positive outlook for crypto assets is a welcome relief for supporters.

Cryptocurrency Market Size To Grow To $1Trillion

According to the investment bank's analysis, by 2025, as crypto payment networks mature, and consumers, as well as businesses, gain trust in cryptocurrencies, " the total value of all cryptocurrencies required for payments and store of value will grow from $11.2 billion /$16.6 billion in 2017 to $1,132 billion /$92 billion in 2025," that's a Cryptocurrency market size growth of 9998% or a compound annual growth rate of 78% (see chart below exhibit 30 which seems to indicate Bitcoin going to near $500B compared to current market size of ~$72B and the total market cap).

Investors are throwing money at the industry to try and capitalize on currency market growth, at the early stages, before transaction volumes really take off. Canaccord's data shows that bitcoin venture capital investments have grown from an almost insignificant $2.1 million for 2012, to $601 million for 2017. Cumulative venture capital bitcoin investments have surged from $2.1 million to $1.6 billion.



Bitcoin's biggest opportunity is the payment market, and despite all of the media attention the alternative currency is receiving, as a share of the global payment's market, it's still insignificant. Canaccord's analysts note that the cryptocurrency's recent rise in value has been "at least partially by increased transaction volumes as BTC’s usage increases." The report continues "n BTC’s value was simply a matter of 'catching up' to the transaction volume" also the recent "correction correlates closely with a softening of transaction volume."








If this relationship continues to hold true (which is highly likely) then as bitcoin transaction volumes grow, investors in the asset should be well rewarded. Indeed, bitcoin daily transaction volumes were only $131 billion during 2016. In comparison, Western Union volumes were 461% higher at $735 billion, and Paypal volumes came in at $970 billion. MasterCard processes 202x more transaction volumes with bitcoin and Visa processes 172x. Put simply. bitcoin is still a speck on the global payments landscape.

As cryptocurrencies continue to grow their percentage share of total daily transaction volumes, the value of these assets should continue to expand concludes the report. Rather than placing a price target on bitcoin, Canaccord's analysts instead compute the estimated size of the cryptocurrency Market size by 2025 arriving at the figure of $1,132 billion based on current trends in both the crypto assets and traditional money markets.



http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/10/cryptocurrency-market-size/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2281270.msg23152743#msg23152743

There are many good arguments for bitcoin not being a bubble.

There's the high growth of bitcoin users where cryptos userbase doubles every 12 months. There are the expected growth projections for the future which could be correlated with increased demand. High enough demand for a prediction of bitcoin being undervalued @ $6,000 being reasonable over the long term. There's the wider international adoption of crypto in countries like japan, russia and elsewhere which could decentralize bitcoin further and increase its stability relative to past eras when bitcoin was heavily centralized in china.

There are valid arguments for bitcoin not being a bubble. Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be much discussion on the topic.
3986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you make of Jeff Sessions comments? on: October 21, 2017, 07:38:34 PM
Politicians are computer illiterate. Those in office don't understand the difference between RAM and a hard drive. They repeat talking points given to them from special interests. There is a long history to this.

In past years, american politicians tried to convince the public we needed a great firewall to censor data similar to what china has. They tried to convince the public that passwords were obsolete things & that a better system would be to have the government authenticate identity on all websites so that people wouldn't have to remember their passwords.

The latest campaign being waged by politicians/special interests is against encryption. They don't include crypto currencies in this. Their goal is to reduce the effectiveness of SSL/SSH/TOR/VPN and other encryption which make it difficult for governments to spy on activities of the public on the internet.

Here's an example of what Jeff Sessions is talking about.

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Why Apple Is Fighting Not To Unlock iPhones For The Government

Yesterday, the FBI filed an order compelling Apple to unlock an iPhone used by Syed Farook, one of the attackers in the San Bernardino shooting incident late last year which left 14 people dead.

Shortly thereafter, Apple CEO Tim Cook published a bold statement indicating that Apple planned to fight the order. Apple was joined by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which said it would aid  in the fight.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/02/17/why-apple-is-fighting-not-to-unlock-iphones-for-the-government/

Politicians like Jeff Sessions want encryption on iphones and other products removed to make it easier for the state to conduct surveillance / spy on the public.
3987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ECB President: Bitcoin Not 'Mature' Enough to Be Regulated on: October 20, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
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ECB President: Bitcoin Not 'Mature' Enough to Be Regulated

That is a very interesting comment.

The implications of this may be that regulating bitcoin would be officially endorsing it.

If bitcoin is regulated (endorsed) that could make it difficult for countries to ban it.

The stances of regulating bitcoin and banning bitcoin may be mutually opposed.

This might be difficult to see, I'll try to give an example. If people look in one country and see bitcoin being regulated and legal. Then they look at their own country and see bitcoin being banned. This tends to create conflict. Politically they could avoid regulating bitcoin for this reason.

Anyway, this is a somewhat political issue as many things today are. With politics it can be difficult if not impossible to accurately gauge why things happen.
3988  Economy / Economics / Re: Vanuatu, world’s first county to accept bitcoin for its citizenship program on: October 20, 2017, 08:44:51 PM
Does Vanuatu allow dual-citizenship? Coz the issue is that your other country might still want money, haha.

There's a legal process to renounce citizenship of ones native country.

The united states in particular is reported having record numbers of citizens renouncing citizenship in 2016.

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Number of Americans renouncing citizenship reaches record high in 2016

A record number of Americans abandoned their US citizenship last year, according to official figures.

Statistics published by the US Federal Register showed that 5,411 people gave up their nationality, an increase of 26 per cent on 2015.

For many  the main motivation is tax.

Americans are liable for US tax even if they live abroad. Although in most cases they are unlikely to face a bill because they can offset what they pay to the taxman in their country of residence.

However high earners can face a bill from the US Internal Revenue Service even after they have paid substantial taxes to the Government in their adopted country.

In addition they are expected to file a US tax return every year, irrespective of what they earn.

Americans living abroad are also taxed on any profit they make on selling their home when they live abroad, even if they have no intention of ever living in the United States.

New laws passed in 2010 made life even more difficult for American expatriates.

The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act - or Fatca for short - requires banks to declare savings held by US citizens to the American tax authorities. This requirement, which applies to Americans living abroad, has led some banks to refuse to open accounts for US expats or threaten to close them down.

Those giving up their US nationality include “accidental Americans” who were deemed to be citizens because they were born in the United States, even if they lived their entire life elsewhere.

Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary who was born in New York, is among those to have renounced their US citizenship.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/number-americans-renouncing-citizenship-reaches-record-high/

I would guess that citizens of Vanuatu could renounce their native citizenship to avoid paying taxes, although I think they have made it more difficult in recent times for people to do this.
3989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why some country banned bitcoin? on: October 20, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
In previous years, bitcoin's market was somewhat centralized and relied heavily upon china. This gave china a great deal of control--one might say china had something like full regulatory power over crypto as it was the main country in which crypto was based. If china cracked down on exchanges bitcoin's price might tumble as much as 80% as it did in 2014.

Today bitcoin is more decentralized. This is mirrored by china banning exchanges has far less of an effect on bitcoin's price.

The banning of bitcoin might be motivated by the end goal of making crypto's market more centralized once again. Bitcoin being centralized makes it easier to control. Its much easier for market manipulation to occcur with centralized assets than it is decentralized or distributed ones.

It might be fair to say centralized one world governments and centralized economies are motivated by the same principle: control. Centralization makes it easier for elites to control things and for them to restrict progress and innovation. And that is why they favor it.

Countries banning bitcoin has a net effect of centralization.

Countries adopting bitcoin has a net effect of decentralization.

That may illustrate some of the basic & fundamental ways in which the self interests of elites and of average ordinary people can be opposed.
3990  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread on: October 20, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
I've noticed some like these mmamania write ups. This one is devoted towards Bellator 185 whose main card begins in about 6 hours from now.

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185 lbs.: Gegard Mousasi (42-6-2) vs. Alexander Shlemenko (56-9, 1 NC)

It’s staggering to consider that the two competitors in Friday’s main event have well over 100 professional fights between them combined. It’s even more staggering when you consider their respective ages: Mousasi is only 32 and Shlemenko is 33. It’s amazing just how indestructible these two men seem to be, especially given neither one has lost in five straight fights. The only thing that dogs either of these men is the fact Shlemenko failed a drug test, so some might wonder if any of his other performances up to that point were chemically enhanced. Since he tested clean before and after his dominant Bellator 162 win it may be his slate is now clean.

There’s a lot to prove for both men despite their recent win streaks. Only one of Shlemenko’s five wins came in a fight outside of Russia, so it’s hard to believe “Storm” Shlemenko didn’t benefit from some favorable booking via M-1 Challenge. Mousasi has an axe to grind after obliterating one top Middleweight after another via knockout from Vitor Belfort to Chris Weidman, yet despite his dominance he felt he was “getting screwed” on being paid what he was worth. That’s why when push came to shove and his contract ran out Mousasi signed a six fight deal with Bellator so he could show everybody that he deserves the money AND the main event spot.
Who takes advantage of the spotlight in Uncasville to further their agenda and potentially work toward a Middleweight title shot against Rafael Carvalho? Both men are knockout artists, with Shlemenko earning 31 in 56 wins (55%) and Mousasi earning 23 in 42 wins (also 55%). That suggests a coin flip in a striking exchange UNTIL you look at their size. Mousasi stands 6’2” and sports a 76” reach, while Shlemenko is 5’11” with a 71” reach. While Shlemenko was fed suitable opponents for his style including in his Bellator 162 return, Mousasi was facing submission artists like Thales Leites and men who had previously beaten him like Uriah Hall.
A fight is a fight and a win is a win but from where I stand Mousasi has faced and proven himself against much better competition. A failure here would vindicate UFC not matching Bellator’s offer to keep him and I can’t imagine more powerful motivation to do well. What motivates Shlemenko? Maybe he wants the title back at some point, but if he doesn’t earn a title shot, he can go home and get more fights from M-1 Challenge from now until whenever he retires.

Final prediction: Gegard Mousasi wins by technical knockout in the second round

155 lbs.: Ryan Quinn (13-7-1) vs. Marcus Surin (4-0)

Originally “Irish Bad Boy” Brennan Ward was looking for a quick rebound fight after being submitted at Bellator 182 in August, but an expected Welterweight tilt with “Caveman” David Rickels will have to wait as Ward withdrew from this card late due to injury. As a result a brand new fight has been bumped to the main card featuring both a familiar Bellator fight and a new prospect making his promotional debut on Friday.

Ryan Quinn’s tenure goes all the way back to Bellator 15 in 2010, where he picked up his first promotional win by unanimous decision against Matt Lee. Quinn had a mixed record outside of the promotion but inside of it he was 7-0 until he ran into Saad Awad in April. Quinn is an American Top Team veteran with a BJJ black belt, holding four wins by submission, but his opponent Surin is a knockout artist with 50% of fights in his young career leaving opponents flat. When the hard handed Awad tagged Quinn he repeatedly shot for takedowns and got swept. Surin won’t even give him that chance.
Final prediction: Marcus Surin wins by knockout in the second round

170 lbs.: Neiman Gracie (6-0) vs. Zak Bucia (18-8)

The name Gracie carries high expectations, expectations that decorated jiu-jitsu medalist Neiman Gracie has thus far managed to live up to. All but one of his six MMA wins have ended by submission, and a typical bout doesn’t get past the halfway point of the second round. He faces an opponent in Zak Bucia who obviously has more pro MMA experience. Somehow I don’t think any of that is going to matter once Gracie takes him to the ground. I’ve been watching him do this for four years now and he’s as good as billed so unless Bucia starts quick and lights him up standing it will go badly for him.

Final prediction: Neiman Gracie wins via rear naked choke in round one

125 lbs.: Heather Hardy (1-0) vs. Kristina Williams (0-0)

I don’t think we need to expound upon this one for very long. Although their MMA records suggest a nearly equal amount of inexperience it couldn’t be further from the truth. Hardy is an undefeated pro boxer with a 20-0 record nicknamed “The Heat.” She showed exactly what kind of heat she can bring to mixed martial arts by beating Alice Yauger at Bellator 180, and I expect her to showcase more of the same against a fighter ill equipped to make a debut against such a seasoned striking veteran.

Final prediction: Heather Hardy finishes Williams with strikes in round one

125 lbs.: Ana Julaton (2-2) vs. Lisa Blaine (1-0)

Don’t let Ana Julaton’s record fool you. Even though her mixed martial arts line may be middling, the boxer turned MMA fighter compiled a 14-4-1 record in the ring before transitioning to the cage, winning the Women's WBO Super Bantamweight and IBA Super Bantamweight titles in the process. Her hand speed has earned her the nickname “Hurricane,” but the “Hurricane” must face the “Insane” Lisa Blaine on Friday. Even though Blaine only has one pro fight, she beat Tammy Worrick by TKO at 2:23 of the second round, so her hands might be “alright.” It may be a theme here for the Flyweights but I’ve got to pick the boxer with the better striking experience here.

Final prediction: Ana Julaton finishes Lisa Blaine by knockout in the second round
That’s a wrap!

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/10/19/16341524/bellator-185-predictions-preview-mousasi-vs-shlemenko-spike-tv-mma

Summary:  MMAmania predictions as follows.

Gegard Mousasi > Alexander Shlemenko
Marcus Surin > Ryan Quinn
Neiman Gracie > Zak Bucia
Heather Hardy > Kristina Williams
Ana Julaton > Lisa Blaine

Not certain what mmamania's overall win vs loss record is. At the least it might provide decent exposition and background info on some of the fighters people may not have heard of.

Gegard Mousasi and Alexander Shlemenko are the only two fighters on this card I can remember seeing fight. I have Mousasi winning. Shlemenko has improved his kickboxing a lot of late though. It will be interesting to see how much he has progressed.
3991  Economy / Speculation / Re: This guy predicts bitcoin to be $20,000 in 2 years. What do you think? on: October 19, 2017, 11:06:06 PM
Imagine buying 5 bitcoins.

As a proud new owner of 5 btc, your new goal is to raise the price of btc to make your profit.

One method to achieve this is to write articles convincing people bitcoin's price will reach "$20,000 in 2 years". Some will believe you prediction & they will buy btc. This increase in demand, theoretically could cause the price of btc to rise.

This cycle of extremely optimistic predictions made by those holding assets done under the motive of generating profits on increasing value has riddled the gold and silver markets for decades. Its not as obvious in crypto as btc's price has been increasing more than most predicted.

There are predictions made in finance and economics which are done with a person self interests in mind. Predictions tend to be more reliable when there's a disclaimer that says the person making the prediction isn't invested in the thing they're making predictions on / promoting.
3992  Economy / Marketplace / Bitcoin Only Exclusive Items on: October 19, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
Does anyone know of retailers which sell goods/services for crypto only with no option of payment made in fiat?

Could this represent a good business model for a small store with an online only presence?

There must be some holding alts who are fustrated by the lack of options in terms items they can spend their coins on. While there are many options for bitcoin, for the most part alts are neglected and there isn't a huge market where they can be utilized without first having to convert to btc.

Could support for ripple, eth, bcc, doge, ltc, dash and other alts be a good foundation upon which to build a small business?

 Huh
3993  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reasons Why Bitcoin Price Drops on: October 19, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
When there are a higher quantity of sell orders, in proportion to buy orders on exchanges, the price decreases. That's one of the fundamental metrics traders look at to project whether the price will rise or fall.

The main factor determining the ratio of buyers : sellers on exchanges is the mainstream news. Forks, SEC, china, finance gurus and analysts making predictions. A secondary factor are coordinated attempts to move the price up or down.

Then there are other factors such as seasonal buying associated with christmas and the holidays which often cause the value of bitcoin to peak at the end of the year.
3994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Puerto Rican Situation, Or A Clear Example Of Why Bitcoin Is Not Perfect on: October 19, 2017, 10:05:50 PM
Interesting & good points, OP.

There are many who support eliminating paper fiat and switching only to electronic based transactions. I would guess puerto rico would have been no better off as a cashless society. Puerto Rico's main issue could be poor leadership, having no viable plans for dealing with hurricanes despite being in a high risk natural disaster area and this being the season for large, powerful, storms.

With a decent proportion of infrastructure and electrical sources demolished, there may still not be enough infrastructure devoted towards precious metals, gemstones & other valuables having utility in markets. A person could have 100 pounds of gold stored in their basement in puerto rico and they still might not be able to use it to buy or sell anything. Precious metals need more mainstream acceptance & utility if their value is to increase.
3995  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sports Betting Recomendation on: October 19, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
This site has a sportsbook and seems to support bitcoin, ethereum, litecoin, bcc, dash and ripple with no kyc.

https://www.betcoin.ag

There is also this site which supports eth. Looks like they're for sale / shutting down.

http://eth.csgobets.org

Can't vouch for either of those places being reliable, have zero experience with eth books.
3996  Economy / Economics / Re: The magic of Money management on: October 18, 2017, 10:44:15 PM
The rules for money management for me:
1. Make goals that could actually be achieved with your skill level
2. Always trade with a stop loss
3. Never over trade your account
4. Trust your indicators
5. Always protect profits
6. Trade with investment capital, not grocery money

Trading to me is a safer version of gambling with lower potential profits associated with decreased risk.

Consistency is the most important thing. Consistency is mainly achieved through being disciplined and resisting the influence greed and emotions have upon a person's thought process. Honesty is also important. Looking at facts and seeing them as they are. Having the courage to follow your own assessments even though they might appear crazy or farfetched at times.

Then there are abstracts like knowledge, identifying patterns/trends, tools & information which can contribute towards seeing things more or less clearly. I think a huge proportion of it is mental though. Its easy to have all of the relevent information and analysis and still make bad decisions. Critical thought and the decision making process could be a somewhat neglected area.
3997  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The secret Swiss mountain bunker where millionaires stash their bitcoins on: October 18, 2017, 10:35:13 PM
I never knew the people behind xapo have their own super villain lair. That is great.

For all those who make "would bitcoin survive a nuclear apocalypse" threads on this forum. Perhaps now we have a definitive answer.

No images of armed guards. There's a slight chance their approach is more security-through-obscurity based. I hope they have some type of armed security detail at a bare minimum. A more likely answer may be they do not allow their security measures to be photographed and visible to the public.

There are a lot of bunkers built for wartime purposes being sold at discount to the general public. Typically they're remodeled and sold as doomsday shelters. This is the best example I've seen of the trend being utilized towards a useful purpose.
3998  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Market Size To Grow 1000x By 2025, With Bitcoin Nearing $500B on: October 18, 2017, 10:19:10 PM
There is only doom & gloom in the media when it comes to btc.   Sad

Bumping this so that there is at least one thread on page 1 of this section that represents a viewpoint other than bitcoin being a bubble.

It is possible that whales recognize btc is significantly undervalued and so they label it a "bubble" hoping to convince everyone to sell their btc at a lower price so they can buy in higher volume and profit more tremendously off of the next big push.

One of the most neglected aspects of a zombie apocalypse is the rate at which zombism spreads. 1 zombie makes 2 zombies. 2 zombies make 4. 4 zombies make 8. This exponential growth is one of the most underutilized mathematical constraints inherent in the plethora of zombie related films on tv of late. So it is with bitcoin's userbase which exponentially grows at a rate doubling every 12 months.

This is the type of growth big corporations like microsoft, amazon and google can only dream of. I hope people aren't too quick to jump on the "bitcoin is a bubble" train. Massive growth is often found with massive value. Bitcoin over the long term could be evidence of this.
3999  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hashtag to report on the imminent financial collapse! on: October 18, 2017, 10:13:18 PM
The media claims europeans buy flat screen tvs, laptops/PCs and other electronic goods in an effort to maintain the value of their wealth whenever there are fears the euro will fail. In countries like venezuela where their national currency the bolivar has devalued significantly in recent years, bitcoin could be extremely valuable as a means of preventing wealth from being destroyed via hyperinflation.

Bitcoin being decoupled from fragile world economies, many of which are near the brink of collapse, could one of the most neglected reasons for its impressive performance in recent times. When fiat becomes unreliable and there are fears of devaluation/hyperinflation, the reasonable reaction is to look for alternatives. And that could be where bitcoin and crypto come into the picture.
4000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Russia is turning the nuclear power plant into mining field. on: October 18, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
OP's article:

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Russia is Trying to Build a Major Bitcoin Mining Industry to Compete With China

Alexander Drozdenko, the governor of the Russian Leningrad region, has encouraged bitcoin miners to create, develop and deploy mining centers in Leningrad at the third annual Energy of Opportunities conference.

Local news publications including 47News reported:

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“Production sites that are being released during the construction of new power units of the Leningrad nuclear power plant will be available for new residents as early as 2018.”

Earlier this year, several trusted sources including Bloomberg revealed that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Internet advisor has been planning to launch an initial coin offering (ICO) campaign for a project called Russian Miner Coin (RMC) with a long-term vision of competing with the Chinese bitcoin mining industry and large-scale bitcoin mining equipment manufacturers such as Bitmain.

At a news conference, Putin’s aide Dmitry Marinichev announced his plans to raise over $100 million to establish a bitcoin mining center and a manufacturing line to produce ASIC miners. He stated:

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“Russia has the potential to reach up to 30 percent share in global cryptocurrency mining in the future.”

Marinichev further emphasized the importance of Russia’s cheap electricity and explained that with lower costs, Russian mining centers would be able to compete with key players in the global bitcoin mining industry like Bitmain.

However, analysts remained skeptical regards to the model of RMC and the vision of Marinichev as Bitmain has recently raised $50 million from leading venture capital firms IDG and Sequoia. In an interview with Bloomberg, Bitmain representatives revealed that the company is valued at several billion dollars, which if true, would make Bitmain the most valuable company in the global bitcoin industry ahead of Coinbase.

It will be a challenge both financially and technologically for new companies like RMC to compete with Bitmain even with massive capital because Bitmain has remained as the leading bitcoin mining equipment manufacturer in the global mining market for the past three years and to create a replica of a mining equipment manufacturing line would require hundreds of millions of dollars.

But, RMC and the Russian mining industry could compete with China if the Chinese government decides to heavily regulate and restrict the bitcoin mining industry. Although key figures such as Bitmain co-founder Jihan Wu have noted in the past that a ban on bitcoin mining in China is highly unlikely, recent reports suggest the Chinese government is actively considering the potential of restricting its bitcoin mining sector.

If China does restrict bitcoin mining operations and provides a difficult ecosystem for local miners, regions like Russiacould evolve into a major bitcoin mining market especially with the help of the government and with efficient regulations. While it is unlikely that the Chinese government will restrict its mining market, if emerging mining equipment manufacturers and miners in Russia can match the Chinese market in terms of technology and hashpower, there exists a possibility of Russia evolving into a major mining market in the future.

https://bitconnect.co/bitcoin-news/735/russia-is-trying-to-build-a-major-bitcoin-mining-industry-to-compete-with-china

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Thoughts. Russia has had a monopoly over the nuclear fuel market (refined uranium) for a long time now which makes their nuclear reactor operating costs lower than that of other countries. Russia's claims of being able to compete with the electricity costs of china which tend to rely upon coal and hydroelectric plants could be legitimate.

Russian produced ASICs could also be a tremendous advantage to the russian mining effort. Russia's technology could well be superior to china's, which could translate to better ASICs than whatever china produces.
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