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41  Other / Archival / Re: [BOUNTY] Info leading to criminal arrest in ASIC Theft. Escrow via John K. on: June 20, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
How would getting a gun help someone whose home was robbed when they were not around?

Anyway, my condolences man, that is pretty crazy, that people are targetting Avalons. Pretty sick, but in these times, a device that can sell or generate tens of thousands of dollars is basically like a big pile of cash. Good on you for trying to bring them to justice, I think this community could benefit from a few more scammers/thieves/robbers getting some of whats coming to them.
42  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How to use low performance mining devices on: June 18, 2013, 07:43:42 AM
With that hashrate you will not make hardly anything using a Pool and most likely will not be to acquire a big enough balance to even cash out. If it were me I'd leave it solo mining in hopes of getting lucky and solving a block to earn 25 Bitcoins. Only problem is it could take over 1000 years.

Not a bad idea going solo. It would be like playing loto for (almost) free.

It'd be more like playing a lotto where the odds are 1,000,000 times more strongly stacked against you, and the reward is  millions of times lower.
43  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How many THs deployed by KnCminer this year? on: June 17, 2013, 11:50:08 PM
It looks like the number of available Jupiters goes up instead of down:



About Saturn:



BTW: anybody knows what are the grey numbers just by the name of the units (250 for Jupiter; 34 for Saturn)?

The grey number is the units' SKU (Stock Keeping Unit). The identifier companies use for products to keep track of what the hell people are actually ordering is.

I've not been paying much attention lately, has KNC put out numbers on power usage? Don't see it on the homepage. 350GH/sec would be like 1400W at 4W/GH already (close to a full 15A 104v breaker).

I also don't expect even if 1787 were somehow the "batch" they were producing that they'd run out.
44  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1x 1250W PSU or jump 2x600w ones. Which is better solution? on: June 17, 2013, 04:41:46 AM
I have similar prob
can someone show me how to "join" 2 or more psu?
or give me the link
TIA

http://www.add2psu.com/

I'm using one now, works like a champ.

I usually steer people away from DUal PSUs just because of how many problems I've seen with people getting them properly working, but that looks pretty sweet actually. Simple, no fuss, no muss, and seems like it should work just fine. I may recommend that (and maybe even try it myself some day Cheesy)
45  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Rackmount cases that can fit 4x GPU? on: June 17, 2013, 04:23:24 AM

The Rackmount 8 looks interesting, but I don't see any price anywhere?

EDIT: Found the Rackmount 16 online, and it costs $6,974.07

Not really worth it IMHO.
46  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Is mining worth it at this point? on: June 17, 2013, 04:15:56 AM
Your own math will vary from others. I would say a block eruptor is retarded, but hundreds of others have bought them, who is right? Time will tell.

My math goes like this. 12.5GH/sec costs 50BTC and generates 9.88BTC at current difficulty. Next month it will probably be ~30% greater, or generate 30% less, so 7.54, then 5.8, 4.4, 3.4, 2.6, 2, etc. When will you ever get 50BTC? At that growth rate, never.

Others believe differently. Maybe they expect for difficulty to slow down dramatically for some reason. You get to make the call for yourself.
47  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: If Bitcoin dies... what could I do with 50 GPUs? on: June 17, 2013, 04:06:55 AM
Offer guantanamo style services to the US govt (arrange all 50 GPUs in a small room with a prisoner, running BTC, the noise and heat after a number of weeks should be enough to break any man).
48  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A case study in entry-level mining on: June 16, 2013, 12:36:13 AM
Just for fun and giggles, do you have a kill-a-watt running for all those badboys? and if not, get one Smiley

49  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Are these laptops too old to be used as ASIC controllers? on: June 14, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
Raspberry pi doesn't need a monitor or keyboard, can just ssh into it after initial setup. The power cable is like $5 (you will need an sd card tho)

If someone has a computer that they can ssh with, why not use that and forget the pi?

Because it is not energy efficient to run a big energy sucking computer 24/7 to mine Asics with. A pi utilizes something like 10w.
Can also run it as a controller wherever you want, doesn't have to be where your computer is (bedroom or what have you)
50  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: is ASICMiner an 51 % Threat ? on: June 14, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
They wouldn't openly do it but they still could and not make it public. Besides even if they regularly and publicly exceeded 51% there's nothing in the software to self-destruct bitcoin - most people would turn a blind eye because they would have too much invested already to see it all disappear. Meanwhile ASICMiner would continue minting most of the new coins and become a monopoly that nobody could challenge.

The only way to prevent this happening is to modify the software so that miners could use either sha256 or scrypt to mine blocks - this will mean that GPU's can carry on contributing and it would be impossible for ASICMiner (or any other ASIC monopoly) to become a majority simply because even they could solve all of the sha256 blocks, the sha256 difficulty would get too high and then more blocks would be found with scrypt.

I don't understand the plan you propopse. How would difficulty be calculated in this dual algorithm bitcoin?
51  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Are these laptops too old to be used as ASIC controllers? on: June 14, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
Raspberry pi doesn't need a monitor or keyboard, can just ssh into it after initial setup. The power cable is like $5 (you will need an sd card tho)
52  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: KH vs MH vs GH on: June 12, 2013, 07:58:28 PM
Case is important

M=Mega (1,000,000)
m=milli (.001)

To make things confusing kilo (k = 1000) is lowercase, when it would make more sense to be uppercase.

Edit: as defined in the International System of Units

If it helps you to remember, everything below Mega is lowercase.
53  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Should my accepted shares*pool diff equal EXACTLY the accepted difficulty1 share on: June 12, 2013, 07:35:55 PM
Sounds like you're confusing actually mining higher difficulty shares with calculating higher difficulty shares.

You will need to do X number of hashes to solve a difficulty 1 block, that number X will vary. So the time it takes for you to submit a diff 1 share will vary from share to share.

The same is true for a diff 8 share, except that there will be a greater amount of variance due to the greater difficulty.

When you calculate submitted shares that is looking back over what has been submitted, and so a calculation of the equivalent value will of course match.
54  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What is the deal with Pulse / Magnetic generators? (Free electricity) on: June 12, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
I haven't looked at the video and haven't even considered the concept but the one thing I would say in general is beware of LAWS, particularly 'LAWS' of physics and chemistry. Throughout history, what they thought of as laws weren't and they have been modified, changed or even abandoned.

Whilst I don't doubt that the 100w to 1000w generator is crap, I also take with a pinch of salt all the current 'laws' of physics.

I had to use all my strength to restrain myself in this response.
I challenge you to cite a single example of a LAW of Physics that has been "changed or abandoned"
They don't change and they are fundamental to our understanding of the world around us. That is why we call them laws.
And in question here is part of the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics, arguably one of the most fundamental in Physics.

THEORIES are a different story and maybe that is what you had in mind.

Anyway, this is completely off-topic for this forum and I am not going to comment on it further.

Yikes. Not sure if you've heard of Quantum Mechanics, but it was this pretty revolutionary development that is pretty widely accepted currently, that has shown many verified experimental results, that on the micro-scale most of Classical Mechanics (and its laws) don't hold. For example, conservation of energy is violated all the time (which the First Law of Thermodynamics is based on), on the micro scale when particles literally form out of nothing.

Here's another fun one for you, clasically a ball rolling up a hill will never be able to get to the other side of the hill, unless it has enough energy to surpass the top of the hill. Yet every day we use electronics dependent on current passing through an insulating layer, which would be clasically impossible.

Does this all lead up to a free-energy device? Nah. But it is good that you restrain yourself in your responses.

I'm personally waiting for a Dark Energy Generator. :p
55  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining vs. buying BTC on: June 12, 2013, 08:59:13 AM
There is no way to compare the profitability of buying BTC vs mining BTC, unless you put some sort of  boundary conditions on your question.

Buying coins in Dec 2009 is incredibly different than buying coins in July 2011. Also how long to hold before selling (are you mining on a GPU in 2010, and holding until April 2013? Or selling as soon as you get them?)

Typically if you've been smart and lucky, both have panned out well. If you've been stupid and/or unlucky you've done very very poorly.

In general mining is the safer more conservative route, with less liquidity to play with for big gains. Pick your personal poison.
56  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Is BFL mining at 50BTC pool? on: June 12, 2013, 07:00:48 AM
Why does BFL bring out all the stupid?

They can't test the chips without testing on main-net? I guess that's why they claimed that they'd never mine on the main-net right?

They won't mine on any pool except eclipse? I guess since they apparently lied about never testing chips on the main-net, they'd never do anything dishonest like hiding the hashing power they're putting on the net or anything.

I'm not saying that this is BFL on 50btc, but at least make sense about it.
57  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What if network hash rate drops? on: June 12, 2013, 06:43:01 AM
If the hash rate dropped by 90%, then it would take a couple of months to get to the next difficulty adjustment.
Meanwhile, pictures of cats would be viewed on the internet.

I think what would happen would depend more on why 90% of the hash rate disappeared, than the fact that it did.
For instance: If a backlash by governments arresting miners caused it, then Bitcoin itself would be under attack and I don't think people's first worry would be the block reward. Wink

There are other effects than just miners not getting their precious bitcoin rewards. Transactions are confirmed by the continued progression of the blockchain. This is the real detriment that alt-coins like the previously mentioned namecoin suffered from.

Imagine that instead of 30min-1hr minutes to confirm your payment, it took 8+ hours, with the real possibility of it taking days. Would that be a good formula for a workable internet payment system? And it would stay that way for months before difficulty adjusted. Admittedly it would only happen due to other extreme circumstances, but just by itself it is bad enough.
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Interest in bitcoin/litecoin mining investment? on: June 11, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Well here is the thing. What you are talking about, a huge GPU farm, eating tons of power and venting tons of heat, is going away, and mighty fast. You might say that litecoins will pick up the slack, except that every current GPU miner will feel the same way, and crush litecoin.

So, while you might offer a hosting service or investment opportunity, most people are not looking to double down on GPU at the moment.

Just to show why...

Next difficulty increase is predicted to be about 20% in a few days. Assuming just that growth to continue (likely to be greater), in one month the difficulty will be 33mil, at which time your 3gh machine will produce 1.36btc per month. One month after that you make .81btc, etc.

I would recommend you perhaps instead look at hosting service for Asics.
59  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Buying 1 out of 10 Jupiter Shares on: June 11, 2013, 02:18:07 AM
Does buying 45GH/sec for $700 make sense? Of course it does.

Does buying the promise of 45GH/sec for $700, contingent on the product not being a pre-order scam, not being "delayed" for months (or years), not getting delivered and the organizer disappearing into the night, not getting skimmed off the top since you have no control over where hashpower is pointing and where/how much is paid out, etc. make sense?

Well... that's another question entirely.
If everything goes well, sure it makes sense. If it goes badly in any number of possible ways, it's a bad idea. On the plus side, $700 isn't really a huge loss either way, so if that's a comfortable gamble for you, and you like the cut of this guys gib, go for it.
60  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A case study in entry-level mining on: June 11, 2013, 02:06:12 AM
I've always liked MineForeman since he joined up. He's been a stand-up guy.
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