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41  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:56:31 PM
This is what this topic is about. Stop watering it down:

While I cannot eliminate the possibility that certain Core devs working for Blockstream may indeed share a vision with their employer as to what Bitcoin's future would be
Hahahaha.

That's a nice downplaying manipulation right there.

Actually most of prominent Bitcoin Core devs also work for Blockstream:
Adam Back
Gregory Maxwell
Luke-Jr
Matt Corallo
Pieter Wuille

That's not all - people above are actually the founders of Blockstream & whole lightning concept.

Just a reminder, Adam Back, president of blockstream openly condones censorship:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hbpg0/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hbpg0/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/

Gregory Maxwell also condones censorship:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/42vqyq/blockstream_core_dev_greg_maxwell_still_doesnt/

And he is a manipulative lying bastard, proof:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/438udm/greg_maxwell_caught_red_handed_playing_dirty_to/

And he openly supports attacking competing projects:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41c1h6/greg_maxwell_unullc_just_drove_the_final_nail/

...which Adam Back also does. He really likes sabotage, that one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3hc4nu/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/

The arguments provided above should be enough for anybody to abolish Bitcoin Core forever. But there is of course much, much, much more from last year.

I will repeat this once more, for posterity:

Saying that "bitcoin is hashcash extended with inflation control" is exactly like saying that "car is just horse carriage extended with combustion engine"

A person who said such thing must have HUGE ego problems.

The source of the quote:
https://twitter.com/adam3us

Mirror in case he changes it:

42  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:54:11 PM
Also: RESPECT MUST BE EARNED. Especially on the internet.

And you have done absolutely zero to earn my respect (all you have done so far is to attack me and call me old).
I see you are still ranting (now going on about the number of posts, etc.)
Do you see me doing that?
OK, I now assume with 85% probability that you are straying off-topic in order to avoid serious discussion about the issue.

I will not respond to these kind of posts anymore.
43  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:51:01 PM
Good luck with finding anyone to support you
I don't care if I am being supported. I am not the one needing support.

Quote from: CIYAMI
have already shown
You have shown nothing and you have said nothing. Not according to my calculations.

0 arguments.

15 (or so) rants about respect.

That is not a discussion on your side. This is a farce.

44  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:46:53 PM
In that regard I'm with you.  There is nothing truly democratic occurring on either side of this debate.  Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible (and many will argue that democracy is bad for BTC anyway).  
We can only hope that when the dust settles the 'correct' side won, whichever that is, as we all have our biases.
The lying, manipulating & physically attacking (DDoS) side is never the right side.

What i learned over the years is that you can easily find out who is honest and who is right only by watching the actions of the opponents, not the words.

The side which is manipulating, lying, censoring and attacking verbally & physically is the dishonest & evil one with ulterior agenda 99% of the time.

"By their fruit you will recognize them" - it said in an ancient wise book.

EDIT:
As you see - it is only you making such disrespectful links.
It is not my link.

Also: RESPECT MUST BE EARNED. Especially on the internet. I will not respect you only because you are (probably) older than me.
45  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:41:49 PM
Most everyone will agree that RBF is "controversial" regardless of what side you are on.  Just like the block size is "controversial."

That is for a start an incorrect statement - how can you say that "most everyone" without a survey that everyone will accept as being evident of such a thing as even having been made?

I don't know what is wrong with you people.

You just don't care for reason or for anything other than "to be right" (when I keep proving that you are wrong).

My guess is that your group are just trying to become popular (as idiots) and think that that might work. Well you can keep trying that path but I am always going to call you out as idiots.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
I don't really think he will get it.

He only gets what his old mind wants him to get. And he thinks he is absolutely right, just like Adam Back.
46  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
Also, RBF was certainly not consensus... maybe consensus of the devs but... most people's comments I read are quite against it.

RBF is "optional" so it doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want to use it (it is not the slightest bit controversial really).

Again, incorrect.

RBF is optional for sender (opt-in), but not optional for receiver. Educate youself, granny:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/42m4po/its_a_sad_day_when_core_devs_appear_to_understand/
2. especially: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/42lhe7/usability_nightmare_rbf_is_sort_of_like_writing_a/
3. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zju81/rbf_optin_a_man_walk_in_a_bar_order_a_coffe_drink/

In short: You can choose whether to send RBF, you can choose whether to mine RBF, but you cannot choose whether you receive it or not.
"RBF is sort of like writing a paper check, but filling in the recipient's name and the amount in pencil so you can erase it later and change it." - /u/rowdy_beaver (self.btc).

RBF could have the potential to completely destroy 0-conf transactions widely & successfully used today.

Bitcoin Core is a disaster waiting to happen.
47  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:27:14 PM
Evidence no. 1. Luke-Jr working on Blockstream's project:
https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/graphs/contributors
There is more, of course, but do we really need it ?

About Peter Todd: seems I was indeed wrong, there is no direct evidence linking him to blockstream. Correcting this now.

48  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Sorry. No arguments, not answering this.
Yup - "weak punk" as I thought.
If you want to "grow a pair" then challenge me.
Can you stop already ?

I only respond to logic. You cannot scare me or manipulate my ego with this shitty tactic.
49  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
While I cannot eliminate the possibility that certain Core devs working for Blockstream may indeed share a vision with their employer as to what Bitcoin's future would be
Hahahaha.

That's a nice downplaying manipulation right there.

Actually most of prominent Bitcoin Core devs also work for Blockstream:
Adam Back
Gregory Maxwell
Luke-Jr
Matt Corallo
Pieter Wuille
Peter Todd


Misattributing one dev as a Blockstream employee is understandable, but two at the same time, is probably too coincidental. Roll Eyes
Sorry, my mistake.

These two are only strongly affiliated with blockstream. Not employees.

I will have proof in a minute, working really hard here.
50  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
At the time of the cap's creation, the proportion of avg. block size to block size limit was over 1 MILLION. So today to keep the proportions, the proper block size limit should be around 1 GB.
Who the fuck put *you in charge*?
(that's right - no-one so stop trying to tell everyone what the rules should be)
Sorry. No arguments, not answering this.
51  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
This day just gets better and better.
How about we set up two BTC addresses to work this out - either support or reject?
(you are just an annoying troll)
Much worse.

I am an annoying troll with logic & arguments.

Can't stand it, can you ?
52  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
The consensus is to respect the Satoshi's 1MB cap for now.
The 1MB cap is a completely irrelevant temporary thing, which Satoshi clearly stated.

At the time of the cap's creation, the proportion of avg. block size to block size limit was over 1 MILLION. So today to keep the proportions, the proper block size limit should be around 1 GB.
53  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:05:01 PM
The point (that you can clearly see) is that China doesn't need a "new payment network".

It won't offer anything better than is already available (and has been for years).
I don't care what's best for China, I care what is the best for Bitcoin.

And what is the best for Bitcoin is also best for China.

BTW,
Notice it - the guy changed topic again. This may be a manipulative tactic used in order to water down the discussion.
54  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
Anyway, I don't really care about your opinion.

When you learn to grow up and be more polite then I might bother to give a fuck about anything more that you post but for now I am putting you on "ignore"
This day just gets better and better.
55  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 04:01:02 PM
While I cannot eliminate the possibility that certain Core devs working for Blockstream may indeed share a vision with their employer as to what Bitcoin's future would be
Hahahaha.

That's a nice downplaying manipulation right there.

Actually most of prominent Bitcoin Core devs also work for Blockstream:
Adam Back
Gregory Maxwell
Luke-Jr
Matt Corallo
Pieter Wuille
Peter Todd - EDIT: incorrect, my mistake

That's not all - people above are actually the founders of Blockstream & whole lightning concept.

Just a reminder, Adam Back, president of blockstream openly condones censorship:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hbpg0/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hbpg0/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/

Gregory Maxwell also condones censorship:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/42vqyq/blockstream_core_dev_greg_maxwell_still_doesnt/

And he is a manipulative lying bastard, proof:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/438udm/greg_maxwell_caught_red_handed_playing_dirty_to/

And he openly supports attacking competing projects:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41c1h6/greg_maxwell_unullc_just_drove_the_final_nail/

...which Adam Back also does. He really likes sabotage, that one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3hc4nu/adam_back_openly_shows_his_agreeableness_to/

The arguments provided above should be enough for anybody to abolish Bitcoin Core forever. But there is of course much, much, much more from last year.
56  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
So please, stop wasting my time and start the real discussion.
You are about as genuine as a virgin in a whorehouse.
Hahahaha, that was actually a funny one.

Still, not on topic.

Anyway, I don't really care about your opinion.
57  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 03:35:16 PM
So no matter how old I will be, I will never "grow up".
Fine - "Peter Pan" - just don't expect "the adults" to bother talking with you (and please stop trying to lecture them as they don't appreciate it from your "dumb ass")
Dear Sir.

I have provided plenty of logical arguments of which all your posts are lacking.

So seriously, what kind of discussion do you expect with me ? When discussing with me:
- Stay strictly on topic (I perceive straying off topic as a manipulative & defensive tactic)
- Use logic
- Use factual arguments

So please, stop wasting my time and start the real discussion.
58  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 03:32:06 PM
I will repeat this once more, for posterity:

Saying that "bitcoin is hashcash extended with inflation control" is exactly like saying that "car is just horse carriage extended with combustion engine"

A person who said such thing must have HUGE ego problems.

The source of the quote:
https://twitter.com/adam3us

Mirror in case he changes it:

59  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 03:28:57 PM
I will repeat it once more:

Saying that "bitcoin is hashcash extended with inflation control" is exactly like saying that "car is just horse carriage extended with combustion engine"

A person who said such thing must have HUGE ego problems.

Yet - you do not provide the original source of the quote.

Hmm.. just an asshole or what?

(a "real man" doesn't resort to quoting secondary quotes and then using large fonts to make his point which is seemingly exactly what you do)

Seriously ?
I hope twitter is working for you ?

https://twitter.com/adam3us

60  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? on: January 29, 2016, 03:26:21 PM
You are so naive and have completely no understanding of the topic you are discussing. It would be a waste of time.

Personally I think your parents should have taught you better than to try and lecture your elders about "being naive" but seemingly they didn't (perhaps your parents were not educated at all?).
You have no idea who are you talking to, so stop assuming things.
You don't know everything about the person on the other side of the monitor.
You don't. I am not a young person.

So unfortunately you have a bit of a problem in even knowing how to be polite (apart from not knowing when you are wrong).
I am full aware that I am not very polite on the internet.
But with age & experience, I found out that it works better (most of the time) than being too polite.

We'll wait and see if you can ever "grow up" (but I doubt it).
I have my years, but already decided that I will not grow up. Never.
I have seen over the years that "growing up" too often means just agreeing with establishment and pretending that "everything is OK" while it is far from it.

So no matter how old I will be, I will never "grow up".
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