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361  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ultimate blockchain compression w/ trust-free lite nodes on: June 05, 2013, 10:13:26 AM
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362  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 09:57:44 AM
@ShadowOfHarbringer I say to you one more time, please control yourself.

We are back to the essential/contentwise discussion already (I'm done insulting piotr_n), so i don't understand what are you talking about.
363  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 09:50:25 AM
WTF. Stop right there.
You clearly know nothing about anything. Have you heard of pruning ? If not, please educate yourself and come back here.
He does know about pruning, because we were talking about it a few pages back, as well as mining optimization.

But, all this quickly and conveniently gets forgotten, then its 'data centres' all over again.

Exactly - maybe he knows about pruning, but he chooses to forget just to keep the discussion going.

That's what i hate about some people - they choose to IGNORE SOME ARGUMENTS so they can "win" the discussion (or at least they think so).
364  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 09:29:50 AM
For now, they cannot even stop Bittorrent/P2P and you expect them to stop Bitcoin ?
Only because running a bittorrent client does not require you do own a data center.

WTF. Stop right there.

You clearly know nothing about anything. Have you heard of pruning ? If not, please educate yourself and come back here.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10663.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88208.0

When pruning is implemented, the only thing you need to run full node is a fast internet connection which is ALREADY CHEAP in many countries and will be WAAAAAYY cheaper in a few years.
365  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 09:17:26 AM
In other words, if high bandwidth is the only requirement of running a full node, there won't be a shortage of full nodes.
So  what if one day the requirement becomes "you must have a government issued license to run a full node"?

Then we will run nodes:
- On I2P, TOR
- On Mesh networks
- On dedicated servers in countries that don't care about U.S. law
- In rented apartments/basements with fast internet connections in different countries

Possibilities are endless.

You don't think that the governments would never do it to bitcoin, if they could, do you?

Of course they would... if they could.
For now, they cannot even stop Bittorrent/P2P and you expect them to stop Bitcoin ? Please...
366  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 08:52:03 AM
Actually, one more argument:

- Huge, full Bitcoin nodes can be run on dedicated servers in different countries. The servers are now extremely cheap and will be getting cheaper every year.
367  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 08:47:18 AM
You're talking bullshit, man. Transaction fees are at the very core of the bitcoin protocol, so don't tell me that bitcoin was designed with free transactions in mind.

You don't even understand what I am talking about and you apparently know shit about the protocol.

Obviously, transactions are CURRENTLY free only for "old" coins that haven't been moved in a long time and only until there is a block reward. When the block reward stops 100 years from now, transaction fees will be the only thing that keeps mining profitable - so there will be no free transactions anymore.

If you make the transactions free forever

And how do you make transactions free forever with today's Bitcoin protocol ? That is impossible and that is NOT what i meant.

and this will centralized the infrastructure - how will it be different from what a paypal is today?



Just how did you come to the conclusion that free transactions = centralized infrastructure ?

How are you going to prevent people running huge bitcoin nodes to get arrested in Spain, or just killed without a trial in Pakistan, by US authorities?

Arguments:
- Huge nodes can be run on I2P and perhaps TOR.
- Huge nodes can be run on Mesh networks.
- If Bitcoin becomes really mainstream, huge nodes will be run by companies/corporations, academies, governments

Are you assuming that Bitcoin will be a geek - only currency forever ? If that is so, then centralization will not be a problem, because there will not be any scalability problem.

Logically:
- If Bitcoin does not become mainstream => Scalability is not a problem anyway (little amount of transactions = low bandwidth/storage requirements)
- If Bitcoin becomes mainstream => scalability is not a problem, because governments, companies & academies will be running big nodes.

So your logic is fatally flawed.

368  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 08:26:29 AM
So what are the OTHER safe & reliable methods of "addressing scalability issue" without increasing the block size ?
Obviously. Read through this topic carefully, instead of just barking around like a rabid chihuahua, and you will find at least a few good ideas.
But they won't get a chance to really develop and built the infrastructure, as long as the transactions are free. So forcing transactions to stay free is probably the best strategy to kill these so needed innovations.

1. I don't really have time to go through the whole topic - sorry. So please tell me which of these propositions you think should replace the increase of block size.

2. Transactions are supposed to be free - that is the foundation of Bitcoin. That is how Satoshi envisioned it. He also said very clearly that the block size limit is a temporary measure to protect the network from DDoS.

The way i see things is that you want do a hard fork and completely change the basics of Bitcoin instead of doing the thing that is natural and already designed by Satoshi - increasing the block size. And i think that is one hell of a dumb idea.

Why create a new untested solution when we already have a solution ?
369  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 08:12:58 AM
While the community expects the dev team to solve the scalability problem, the lead developer just makes an announcement that he already made the decisions along with all the other important people from the community and they decided that instead of addressing the scalability issue, while there is still time, they are only going to make it worse, and they will do it as soon as possible.

Wait a moment.

So what are the OTHER safe & reliable methods of "addressing scalability issue" without increasing the block size ?

What are the other propositions ? And I mean ones that do not require re-writing whole protocol from scratch, by the way.

If you are criticizing this way, you need to provide **an alternative**.
370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: June 05, 2013, 07:39:57 AM
So does that mean you guys will shut up once the beta ends and rippled is released as promised?
Probably.
The question is: will it really happen ?
I am personally committed to ensuring this happens by the end of the year at the very latest and, I hope, around September. We have been focusing on outside audits of the source code, increasing the number of, and geographic distribution of, organizations that run validators to gather more real-world data on the behavior of the code, testing the logic that controls changes to the transaction processing rules, and so on.

Hey Joel, let me understand something.

Why all the lies ?

Why don't you just update the site and wiki so it reflects **the truth** ? That would shut the mouths of all critics.

I mean WTF ? Is that really so damn difficult ?
371  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 07:41:46 PM
Do you like it ?
man i really don't care about your trolling.

This has nothing to do with trolling.
I am making a pure ad hominem argument that you are a very impolite person and also an imbecile with stupid arguments so nobody should listen to anything you have to say.
Still on topic.

@ShadowOfHarbringer please control your tone too, is obvious piotr_n wants to keep this thread on topic like you do.

Sorry for that, I usually lose my control when somebody is an über-asshole.

He deserved it anyway.

(...)
I've been derailed the last week by a death in the family, and still need to finish up some payment protocol work.

By the way, my condolences.
372  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
"Don't be silly" is simply not a proper way to reply to somebody whose a person in the family has recently died.
It is, if it was an answer to an argument/excuse on changing the bitcoin protocol.
I understand how broken you can be at such moments, but bringing it as an argument on whether we should increase a block size, or not... Please.

Hey, piotr_n, I have prepared something for you:

My mother has died.

Don't be silly. She was a bitch anyway.

My sister has been raped by a gang of 40 men.

Raped ? Don't be silly, everybody knows she fucked everybody around. She liked it and she wanted it.

My dog was killed by my schizophrenic neighbour.

Don't be silly, I know your neighbour and he is a cool person ! I am sure that it was your dog that was mad.

Somebody burned my car at the night !

Don't be silly, that car was crap anyway.

Do you like it ?
373  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 06:33:33 PM
Now you are just being a rude son of a bitch (not a troll).
I would have been rude if I was lying to have someone really close to me died recently.
But since it really happened, and you feel sorry for Gavin, but not at all for me and my mom, then I can only tell you back: fuck you!
Still, the code does not care about who died and someone has to take the stake and develop it further in the right direction.

"Don't be silly" is simply not a proper way to reply to somebody whose a person in the family has recently died.

You must be a sick piece of bastard (or a psychopath) if you don't know that.
374  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
I've been derailed the last week by a death in the family, and still need to finish up some payment protocol work.
Please, don't be silly.
I'm sorry for your lose, but should I be bringing the deaths in my family as well? I've surely had some recently, but it's just not an argument for a bitcoin development board.

Now you are just being a rude son of a bitch (not a troll).

Step down with your tone or GTFO, motherfucker. I will not be having a discussion with such a bastard.

And I mean, seriously - no trolling.

375  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 05:10:32 PM
Yeah, keep trolling guys. I surely care Smiley
Nobody is trolling here, seriously. We are just pointing out that your arguments are idiotic.
376  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 02:57:54 PM
Obviously none of you is going to address jdillon's key argument, that is: Bitcoin Foundation is doing everything to get bitcoin under control of the US government.

That is not the topic of the discussion, so i ignored it as offtopic.
377  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
angry internet trolls like ShadowOfHarbringer and Gavin.

I'm doing well this month, so far I've been called an "Angry Internet Troll", a "coward", and a "nazi".

The funny thing is I don't even remember being angry in the last 72 hours...

Well, I guess that jdillon knows better what i feel then.
378  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 01:21:40 PM
I actually was under the impression that we are libertarians here and we should push for any solution that decreases centralization.

No block size limit = free market decides the proper size

You mean the 3 people controlling the pools that have the majority of hashing power control the blocksize.

Actually, no. Individual miners have freedom to choose a pool which suits their interests better or simply use the P2P pool.

OR start a new pool and convince enough people to use it.

Indeed you can, but you've moved away from the standard Bitcoin model where we hold miners hostage

Well perhaps there could be a configuration settings in the normal(non-miners) clients for that too.

So then we could threaten miners that we won't accept/relay/confirm their blocks if they don't comply with our demands.
379  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 04, 2013, 01:03:53 PM
I actually was under the impression that we are libertarians here and we should push for any solution that decreases centralization.

No block size limit = free market decides the proper size

You mean the 3 people controlling the pools that have the majority of hashing power control the blocksize.

Actually, no. Individual miners have freedom to choose a pool which suits their interests better or simply use the P2P pool.

OR start a new pool and convince enough people to use it.
380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin Within the Reach of the IMF on: June 04, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
They would have to purchase it.

Which would drive up prices.

$1000 bitcoin in the future.

Only $1000 ?

I'm not selling to them for less than $10.000 !
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