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981  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A proposed solution to adjust for lost Bitcoins: wallet 'heartbeats' on: April 06, 2012, 07:54:13 AM
A decreasing bitcoin supply lends to price instability, because there will be a greater oscillation between the market thinking the supply is too deflationary to promote a large bitcoin economy, and the market thinking bitcoin value will skyrocket due to growing usage and decreasing supply.

It also creates more uncertainty as a larger percentage of the bitcoin supply goes off-line, with a possibility, but not a certainty, that a large amount come back into use suddenly when someone discovers an old wallet.

Re-issuing lost coins improves bitcoin's security at a time when block rewards will be much lower, and it will do so without inflating the bitcoin supply. With lost coins, either present bitcoin holders can be rewarded with deflation, or people who mine bitcoins can be rewarded for contributing to network security with bitcoins.

The latter can actually increase the value of bitcoin more then rewarding bitcoin holders with deflation, for the three reasons mentioned.

Oh God, not this post again.  Can you people please try to understand that saying something doesn't make it true?

Shouldn't his post be moved to the topic "deflation and bitcoin - the last words on this forum" ?
We can't have the same discussion over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, can we ?
982  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A proposed solution to adjust for lost Bitcoins: wallet 'heartbeats' on: April 05, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
A mighty wizard we need to put a powerfull anti-resurrection spell a on this forums.

I mean all the ancient magical topics get revived over and over and over again by young, foolish necromancers. We can't have this kind of power roaming freely the middle-earth. It may awaken the dead from their graves !

Just integrate Bitcoins (the solution to everything).  Topics older than 30 days become locked.  A bot puts a final locking post on the thread w/ a revive Bitcoin address.  The cost to revive is (days since lost post - 30)^2  / 100 BTC.  Smiley

This actually a totally awesome idea.
+10
983  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A proposed solution to adjust for lost Bitcoins: wallet 'heartbeats' on: April 05, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
A mighty wizard we need to put a powerfull anti-resurrection spell a on this forums.

I mean all the ancient magical topics get revived over and over and over again by young, foolish necromancers. We can't have this kind of power roaming freely the middle-earth. It may awaken the dead from their graves !
984  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Royal Canadian Mint just announced a new alternative to BitCoin on: April 05, 2012, 09:18:42 AM
If i don't see source code posted anywhere, then i don't treat a digital currency seriously.

This is a good thing for bitcoin. Canada's backing will put MintChip into many stores as a payment option. Exchange between MintChip and Bitcoin will be easier than any other fiat currency with its irrevocable electronic transactions, anyone will be able to start an exchange without having to rely on paypal or other processors. Essentially we could end up with a system like:
MintChip = checking account
Bitcoin = savings account

+1  very much what i was going to say. this is epic for BTC!

Also, +1.

MintChip itself is nothing like Bitcoin, but its existence is good for Bitcoin.
985  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Building A fully decentralized, automated, and anonymous bitcoin exchange! on: April 05, 2012, 09:11:06 AM
It's nothing like bitcoin.

the point is it will allow for the decentralization of exchanging BTC to dollars or dollars to BTC

I see no mention on the website about this.
Actually, after watching the video and reading the website i still have no idea what is Mintchip all about.

What I see is a lot of marketing mumbo-jumbo, evolution blah blah.
986  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [won] on: April 05, 2012, 08:58:31 AM

Apparently, they are not even open source.

It doesn't look like serious Bitcoin competition to me. Rather an incompetent try to steal some people from Bitcoin environment.
987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Idea: A fund for an alternative Bitcoin development team. on: March 26, 2012, 12:49:32 PM
Have you ever tried funding primary development team? Just curious

:+1 !!!!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/linux_kernel_randd_estimate_u_of_oviendo/

It would cost approx. 1 bln of euros (old 2010 data, currently probably 50% more) for EU to make Linux.
**And they still would not make it right**.

I wonder how much would Bitcoin cost right now ? Hundereds thousands ?
Programmers that can code Bitcoin aren't cheap - that i can tell.
988  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Idea: A fund for an alternative Bitcoin development team. on: March 26, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
The loyalty in this thread concerns me.

In essence, I'm scared of one person having influence over Bitcoin's protocol. I trust nobody and neither should you. Bitcoin is a powerful technology and if anything will kill it, corruption will.

The issue you are talking about is a non-issue in the Open Source world.
In free software world, if you don't like something, and you have valid logical arguments that something is wrong, then you make a fork, convince people and they will follow you (if you are "worthy" of course).

The old times are gone. One can be truly free to choose between different software/digital currency systems, if only he desires it.

If the things Gavin is doing were really bad, somebody would notice (sooner or later) - the openess of the source guarantees that. And scandal like that would surely fork the project. People would move to the new, better project. Justice is served.

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So please, really - stop talking jibberish and give me arguments.
Show what is so wrong in the code, that Gavin needs to be fired. Do a code review. Hire a programmer/software analyst/ to inspect Bitcoin's source.

But if you have no such arguments, you can also shut up.
989  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [CRITICAL FIX] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.3.1 released on: March 25, 2012, 11:38:59 AM
2012-03-25 Update:

NFTF tags for mainline client versions v0.5.3rc1, v0.5.3rc2, v0.5.3rc3, v0.5.3rc4, v0.5.4rc1, v0.6.0rc2, v0.6.0rc3, v0.6.0rc4 released.

https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

Trunk/master has also been fully updated to the latest mainline version.
990  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [ANN] Introducing PIMPCOIN – Bitcoins are SEXY NOW!!! on: March 25, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
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991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Idea: A fund for an alternative Bitcoin development team. on: March 25, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
I will be justifying my criticism very shortly.

If you've got a great business model and funding for a much better bitcoin client, more power to you!

If you're planning on defacing one of the web servers that I haven't been keeping up-to-date (because I'm busy doing Bitcoin-related things) or hacking my gmail account to prove that I'm not The World's Best Security Expert... then I'll save you the trouble:

I am not the World's Best Security Expert.
I am not the World's Best Programmer.
I am not a cryptographer.
I am not an expert on finance or banking or monetary systems.
I am not an expert on leading open source projects.

And I hope someday I get replaced as the technical lead for this project. I'm sure there are lots of people better qualified than me, I'm just doing the best I can to try to help make Bitcoin a success.

Gavin, i previously had my share of doubts whether are you are right man on the right place, but now i think you fit the position very well.

Linus torvalds also wasn't a world-class genius when he started Linux kernel project. You surely have potential to become Linus of the Bitcoin world.
992  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Idea: A fund for an alternative Bitcoin development team. on: March 25, 2012, 09:27:26 AM
Gavin is the right guy to lead the team.  "herding cats" is not an easy task.

Developers are free to make their own lightweight or mobile clients, which are also needed in the bitcoin world.

As a significant shareholder, I disagree. If Bitcoin was a company and had a board, I would of asked for Gavin's resignation long ago.

Gavin gives me the impression of a tinkerer, an experimenter, a hobbyist. When it comes to Bitcoin being made as a product for human beings, I find him completely lacking. He's not a business person and he admits that shamelessly. What Bitcoin needs more than ever is the human element.

I am confident people will inevitably agree and act upon this -- far beyond simple clients.

You are completely out of place, mumbling like a small child which got lost and doesn't know where it is.

Let me clearify some simple rules for you:

- Open Source projects are **NOT** companies, neither they behave as one
- Open Source projects are **NOT** ruled by shareholders.
- Open Source projects are **NOT** ruled by money.
- If you want something done well in Open Source world, do it yourself
    - If you can't do it yourself, find somebody who can and pay him
- If you don't like a project, just fork it or write it from the scratch (but you still have to convince people to use your version which will not be easy)
993  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [CRITICAL FIX] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.3.1 released on: March 23, 2012, 06:50:54 AM
I've thought this would be a good idea for a long time. The key problem is that miners don't resolve dependencies like this yet.
I think that's a problem that would fix itself if clients had this feature and people started using it.  If you're a miner and are actively seeking fee bearing transactions, you really shouldn't be rejecting fee-less transactions if they are inputs to fee bearing transactions that meet your fee requirements.  This situation can occur today, though it's probably quite rare given the behavior of the main client.

Regarding my suggestion of a fee that has a high likelihood of making it into the next block, I was thinking of some sort of statistical analysis that could determine a fee that is in the Nth percentile with respect to the time between the transaction appearing on the network and it being included in a block.  You could configure the percentile that you wanted your client to suggest (with perhaps the 95th percentile being the default or so).  This means that if you applied the suggested fee, you would have a transaction that should be in the 95th percentile of all transactions in terms of the time it takes for that transaction to get included in a block.

In most cases, you either want the transaction to get into a block as fast as possible or you don't care at all how long it takes.  So choosing between a 95th percentile fee or no fee at all is likely the only choice most people need.

I don't know if you have already figured it out or not, but if you want something done in Free Software world, you have to either do it yourself, or make somebody to do it for you.

This is exactly what i did here, because nobody cared that i do not want to pay fees when they are not necessary.

So the best option is probably to start a fork of your own (if you can code), or pay/convince somebody to do it.
994  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [CRITICAL FIX] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.3.1 released on: March 22, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
This fork is only a simple patch to maintain the way things previously were, before developers introduced a change that is unfair and unacceptable by my standards.
I'm not aware of any version that didn't force fees...

Well yeah - to be precise I am talking about versions that force fee even when there is high probability of it being completely unnecessary.
All versions newer that 0.3.21 do that.
995  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [CRITICAL FIX] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.3.1 released on: March 22, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
What I would like to see is not only the ability to create transactions without a fee, but also the following:

a) the client to offer a suggestion of a fee that would have a high probability of getting into the next block or two based on some kind of analysis of recent blocks

b) the ability to add a transaction fee to a transaction that you've received and that hasn't yet made it into a block…the client would do this by creating a new transaction with that transaction as an input and sending coins back to yourself (less the desired tx fee)…the client would immediately broadcast this new transaction

This fork is only a simple patch to maintain the way things previously were, before developers introduced a change that is unfair and unacceptable by my standards.

I have no intention (or required C/C++ skill) of taking it further.

Perhaps somebody else will take up the challenge.
996  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.2 & 0.6.0rc1 released on: March 21, 2012, 08:55:30 PM
2012-03-21 Update:

NFTF - version 0.5.3.1 [critical security vulnerability hotfix] released.

Fresh tag - nftf-v0.5.3.1 is avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

More updates (other tags, trunk) should follow soon.
997  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Backups in a Multi-sig world on: March 18, 2012, 12:45:28 AM
@up

OK, thanks for clearing that matter up, guys. Clearly I was wrong, and P2SH is not as bad as I thought.

998  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Backups in a Multi-sig world on: March 17, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
There has always been this nagging discomfort with me with regards to P2SH...  and now I finally know what it is...  Backups.  I have put a lot of work into deterministic wallets and paper backups in Armory,  to try to solve one of the most frustrating modes of failure: HDD failure or overwrite combined with either no backup or a stale backup.  

The issue that I am finding with P2SH (which would happen with any similar multi signature scheme that hide addresses),  is that the user is back to requiring a persistent backup solution, because he cannot even identify, much less spend his multi-sig-encumbered coins if he doesn't have the P2SH script.

On the upside,  the P2SH scripts are not nearly as sensitive as private keys.   But they are just as important! If you lose them,  you (probably)  lose the money behind it...

This presents a serious implementation issue:  how do I modify Armory to accommodate backing up the scripts.   I had originally made space for them in the wallet file but now I am realizing that will not enable easy backups (not everyone wants to backup their wallets remotely,  encrypted or not).  So I'm thinking that I should instead create a separate P2SH scripts file,  separate from the wallet,  allowing the user to place it in,  say,  the Dropbox folder.   If the user doesn't want the data stored unencrypted (for privacy reasons),  asymmetric encryption can be used to encrypt each script before appending it to the file.   It would seem that there is no grace time for backups like the Satoshi wallet has (generating 100 address pool)   because you don't know what scripts you're going to receive until you actually get/create them.   They need to be backed up immediately.  

On the other hand,  if these multi-sig scripts require multiple parties,  they are like to have the scripts too,  and you might be able to request them. But this could be a royal pain in the ass if you do business with a lot of different people...

Any recommendations are welcome.  Obviously,  tying the user to dropbox is sub-optimal, but I'm not seeing any other solution that a regular user could put up with that would provide the appropriate level of backups.   Using standard OP_CHECKMULTISIG would solve this,  but there are other reasons it is not being adopted (though I always believed it should be an option even if it isn't the recommended,  but this is a different discussion...)

Many thanks @etotheipi.

Untill this post (and your other posts in BIP18 topic), i haven't collected enough data to make an opinion in the BIP16/BIP17 debate.

Now I have a clear point on the matter: P2SH sucks totally and should be deprecated. A solution which requires backup of wallet after every [P2SH] transaction is flawed by definition. It has always been the standard that making a backup of wallet secures you for the future transactions (unless you generate more than 100 addresses in the wallet and use the 101-th generated address). This was a very good and well-thought over standard created by Satoshi himself.

I find changing it highly irresponsible & potentially dangerous for the network.

Unless, of course I am misunderstanding something (sb please correct me then).
999  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Withdrawing BIP 17, and proposing BIP 18; please review patch on: March 17, 2012, 11:31:18 PM
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1000  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.5.2 & 0.6.0rc1 released on: February 27, 2012, 09:49:33 PM

Excellent. I will review the code, and if it is what i expect (and it gets pulled into mainline), then i will be able to stop maintaining this fork.

Force strong is with you, Luke - big thanks.

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