wel deposit works for me but cant do anything now because coins in limbo land atm
Had little troubles with Bluetrade like them more each passing day
Coinexchange makes my blood pressure Sky High Starting To look Like Thiefs over There!
LOL dont worry its all over large amount people on trading exchanges !! Cryptocurrencies in the elevators up !! yes it will rise indeed but these kind of problems dempen simple people from taking action when chances arrive. so these problems with the exchanges ect are a big disadvantage atm. but the biggest problem in my eyes there is so little information you can get from a exchange The biggest problem is the number of exchanges! More places to trade=more people involved. But still no info about adding coin to other exchanges and no info from Dev about stollen coins and no info about fixing transaction problems. All this can destroy maybe one of the best coin! about the stolen coins , dude please learn to read well, ;-) take a look here : Top Mooncoin addresses are unspendable and contain more than 77 billion frozen MOONcoins,
which were not delivered (till March, 2017) by the Cryptsy exchange to the Florida court and were not returned to legitimate ownerssource : http://www.mooncoin.world/now lets get over it and look at the future !!!1 BUY ans HOLD NOW !!! Dude, don't learn to read, learn to think. It these coins frozen, how somebody moved them to Dev's wallet? If they float at the open market they sink all the moonship. MOON has survived other things, it would survive that, too. BTC has had similar things and still does well. Be patient. Don't muppet around all the time.  Edit: ... not meant in a bad way.  |
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Whatever his plans for the coins are, they are none of our business.
Actually, I couldn't disagree more. There are a lot of here that have been around since the beginning of this coin, and in fact do have a stake in what happens to those coins. If those coins flood the market, then is show over for everyone but him. Why would those coins flood the market? If they are handed over to the authorities, they will most probably be sold in an auction to the highest bidding buyer - probably with a higher than market price. And why would the buyer dump immediately into the market? It would be complete nonsense to destroy his/her own investment. |
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Pls someone help me in my moon coin wallet...
I have 2M Mooncoin in my web wallet. I bought it last year of June. And now its stated in my web wallet that is OBSOLETE and needs to be upgraded. What shld I do, Im afraid my coins might be lost...Any video guide for the upgrade? Pls. send me infos on how to do it. Thankyou very much.
What web-wallet do you use? Or do you mean the wallet on your own computer? If this is the case, you find the latest wallet here: Source: https://github.com/mooncoincore/walletBinaries (Windows): https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet/releasesBefore you replace the mooncoin.exe in your installation-directory of windows, backup your wallet.dat first. Just in case, something goes wrong. It contains all important contents about your Mooncoins (addresses, private keys etc.). You can search that file on your computer or use the backup function in the wallet-software, to save a copy of the wallet.dat to another location on your computer, where it is safe, before you update. |
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Probably they have a big rush in of new users with questions, because the bigger exchanges like bittrex etc. have suspended accepting new users. So it may be the best to wait, until they respond, as annoying as that is.  i understand that right, but wen creating a deposit adress who seems to be offline  that i don't get it ......... Me neither. That's why we would need to read, what they say ... Maybe Vassilis could throw them a message, to speed up the ticket or get an answer as the dev? If he finds the time inbetween his consultations with the lawyers. |
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hmm wy can i log in in bluetrade help desk to make a ticket i use my same user and pas as main website but it say not correct are those guys overthere so lacy to respond to people's problems ? mooncoin deposit adres at bluetrade : 2VXvidfjWDMM6Aeai5Z73QVa6gwH8QrS8V result Address 2VXvidfjWDMM6Aeai5Z73QVa6gwH8QrS8V Address not seen on the network. i have several coins sent but they never arrived..what to do , i cant get my mooncoins on bluetrade [edit] its only seen on this blockchain : https://bchain.info/MOON/addr/2VXvidfjWDMM6Aeai5Z73QVa6gwH8QrS8Vare there different block chains for mooncoin ?? my coinexchange mooncoin deposit wallet works as it should be No, Mooncoin has only one chain. Bchain shows all addresses, mathematically, if even you generate them on an offline machine and never use, and the network never saw them, in this case bchain.info shows 0 balance and 0 transactions. Other explorers verify first, if there were any transactions with an address before showing an address. If block explorers show 0 transactions with your address, that means that for whatever reason these transactions were not sent. If transactions were not sent, your coins must exist still on an address from which you are trying to send. What is this address? You can search the address and its balance in block explorers. How did you generate this address? how did i generate this adres ? well on bluetrade you go to mooncoin then click on deposit it wil bring up a screen with your deposit adres in this case mooncoin i did send 2 times mooncoin over but wallet say's that the reciever is offline after that my coins where stuck, so i did -zapwallettxes it meas that stuck coins wil be released, so then again same steps to find that mooncoin wallet on bluetrade same proces send the coins the given mooncoin adres to me is just the same , and then not luck it stayed in wallet with status 0/0 confirm for over 2 days, to dat i did again the zapwallettxes thingy an hoppa my coins where back in my wallet , it seems indeed that bluetrade has not given free the mooncoin wallet ,what my account generate ,free..................and sadly enough they did not response back Probably they have a big rush in of new users with questions, because the bigger exchanges like bittrex etc. have suspended accepting new users. So it may be the best to wait, until they respond, as annoying as that is. |
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Hi Guys, i need help, i decide to start mining Mooncoin, its look realy nice to me and whont to try but i have problems. I take windows wallet and its up to date set new adres to get coins, so this part its working. I download cgminer 3.7.2, i have radeon card and cpu i5. I read its ok to mine on https://aikapool.com/moon/index.php?page=gettingstarted and set cgminer like its on this link so my comand line look like this cgminer --scrypt -I 13 -o stratum+tcp://stratum.aikapool.com:7975 -u zucoos.domba -p 12345 but I get this:  If this its not good for mining pleas advice with setings. Pleas help! Thanks in advance! Have you checked other pools, if they work with your setup? From the image it looks, as if you have not set up a worker correctly at Aikapool or use the wrong password. Or the pool is down at the moment? Btw.: Mining MOON with a GPU is not recommended, unless you want to experiment or get electricity for free. Otherwise with the current difficulty it will not be profitable for you. |
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I guess we know what is supporting the price moves the last day for so. Kind of hard to go down when people can't move coins onto the exchanges to sell....lol.
Is it like so? Normally on bleutrade there is a message visible on their site, if the wallet is in maintenance and hence not possible to move coins in or out. |
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The moon is pretty good, and I'm still waiting for developers to announce new features and plans this year.
No new features really needed at his time. Don't ask what Mooncoin can do for you, but what you can do for Mooncoin. First of all: spread the word, promote Mooncoin to your friends and family, give away a few Mooncoins for free etc. You see, everyone can be a Mooncoin-developer and be of advantage for the whole community. |
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Well I lost 57 million coins from crypsty, but If all of those coins are burned It will bring the circulation close to doges so it might be a plus.
You're aware of the fact, that DOGE has unlimited supply, yes? In contrary to Mooncoin. So it is really not understandable, why everyone is whining about the supply, Mooncoin offers. The original details were already very wisely chosen (from the original ann by deaconboogie): -- Details: Algorithm: scrypt Max coins: 384,400,000,000 MOON (yes, billion!) Block time: 90 Seconds Difficulty re-target time: 8 hours Pre-mining: Absolutely none! Block rewards: Blocks 1-100,000: 0-2,000,000 MOON Blocks 100,001-200,000: 0-1,000,000 MOON Blocks 200,001-250,000: 0-600,000 MOON Blocks 250,001-300,000: 0-350,000 MOON Blocks 300,001-350,000: 0-175,000 MOON Blocks 350,001-375,000: 0-100,000 MOON Blocks 375,001-384,400: 0-50,000 MOON All future blocks are a fixed 29531 MOON. -- I never understood, why they had to be changed (most probably, because everyone here is overly impatient). But now the block rewards are even more reduced and will gradually minimize over time. So even if the ~62 bln of Cryptsy would be sold anytime, there would not be a real problem, since most probably this would be done in an auction and that usually means a higher price than the price on the exchanges. And why would the buying investor sell those immediately? To make a loss? Don't be nervous. As said, Mooncoin is strong and will survive all that. It will come out of all this with even more power. |
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Normally stolen goods are illegal in consequence, if not returned to their rightful owners; so an expert opinion from a qualified lawyer would be a good thing indeed.
Coins are not goods, and they were returned to our community, so they are not stolen at the moment. Of course, now when they are returned, only their rightful owners can decide what to do with them, otherwise, they really will be stolen. But another thing is that coins in fact were blocked/frozen, so it's like they are out of supply and are 'unofficial coins' now. Remember that investors were investing because they believed these coins were frozen, maybe the price of Mooncoin never went to these levels without that, so to 'unfreeze' them means that the decision-makers of this could be held liable for the loss of these investors afterwards. So these coins are not Mooncoins, they are 'unofficial, frozen Mooncoins' which should be burnt, just to stay out of supply forever. The original freezing was already doubtful (that's most probably why Cryptopia removed Mooncoin from their exchange), but as said, now is a new situation, because the stolen coins are available again and are still - exactly as when they were frozen - stolen goods. Ask your lawyer. Cryptopia explained why they removed Mooncoin, you can find it at the end of previous ANN thread. It had nothing in common with frozen coins. The community decided to freeze coins to prevent spending them after they were not delivered to the court and to their owners. Coins were frozen. Now the protection was hacked, it's a technical question. These coins are not real coins. The protection should be improved by burning these coins. But if anyone wants to receive his/her coins back, and can prove his/her ownership, there can be a solution for that. If not, what are we talking about? Let's wait what Vassilis (and especially his lawyers) says. Maybe the suggestion of amdk is something for Vassilis to consider: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg27617587#msg27617587 |
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The original freezing was already doubtful (that's most probably why Cryptopia removed Mooncoin from their exchange), but as said, now is a new situation, because the stolen coins are available again and are still - exactly as when they were frozen - stolen goods.
Ask your lawyer.
it's not on cryptopia, because hex and i do not like each other. having the upper hand (owning the exchange), he chose to act like a child knowing it would cause me some grief.. having just come onboard as the new dev at the time. nothing to do with the freezing; no other exchanges have had an issue either morally or legally with it. james We all can't really check, what is the truth about removing Mooncoin from Cryptopia, it seemed odd back in the time. We would need Hex to give his opinion on this here, too. Fact is, the coins are available again. Hopefully in the hands of a responsible person. And what I'm trying to say is, that we should not require that this one person (Vassilis) possibly becomes a criminal, only because some of the Mooncoin-holders do not want that the price may(!!) drop a little bit, because the authorities (whoever that is) decide to sell that stash in the far future. Bitcoin is also still doing well, despite of some authorities selling coins. Mooncoin is strong, don't forget that. |
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Normally stolen goods are illegal in consequence, if not returned to their rightful owners; so an expert opinion from a qualified lawyer would be a good thing indeed.
Coins are not goods, and they were returned to our community, so they are not stolen at the moment. Of course, now when they are returned, only their rightful owners can decide what to do with them, otherwise, they really will be stolen. But another thing is that coins in fact were blocked/frozen, so it's like they are out of supply and are 'unofficial coins' now. Remember that investors were investing because they believed these coins were frozen, maybe the price of Mooncoin never went to these levels without that, so to 'unfreeze' them means that the decision-makers of this could be held liable for the loss of these investors afterwards. So these coins are not Mooncoins, they are 'unofficial, frozen Mooncoins' which should be burnt, just to stay out of supply forever. The original freezing was already doubtful (that's most probably why Cryptopia removed Mooncoin from their exchange), but as said, now is a new situation, because the stolen coins are available again and are still - exactly as when they were frozen - stolen goods. Ask your lawyer. |
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I lost 57 million mooncoins from Cryptsy , reallly wish I could get those back. I had lost many more coins at Cryptsy. But what will be better, say, you have now 20 million coins and their price is 7 Sat. Or you have 20+57=77 coins and their price is below 1 Sat due to dumping. Or even worse: if coins go to the court, you have only some miserable compensation in BTC or in USD for that. But the point is not what we want. The point is what is fair and what is really legal and wise in this situation. In my opinion, burning coins if majority of their holders agrees with that right now, is legal and fair. The point is, what is legal and what is not. What is legal in one jurisdiction, could be illegal in another. Generally laws are based on ethics and fairness. If there is a lack of crypto laws, it's okay to act according to fairness and ethics. These coins were already returned to the community and are in hands of our dev at the moment. The majority of their holders decided already to burn coins. If someone wants to get his/her coins and not burn them, even if major holders want to burn their coins, then please tell now. But in this case he/she should have a legal proof that he/she is a legitimate owner of some amount of these coins. As Vassilis is living in a European country - no banana state -, burning the coins with even one owner being against it, could leave recourse claims against him. So I'd recommend all here to stop requiring burning of the coins, as Vassilis is the only one who can decide this and no one should be angry and blame him, if he decides to give the coins to the authorities, as his lawyers most probably will advise him. |
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I lost 57 million mooncoins from Cryptsy , reallly wish I could get those back. I had lost many more coins at Cryptsy. But what will be better, say, you have now 20 million coins and their price is 7 Sat. Or you have 20+57=77 coins and their price is below 1 Sat due to dumping. Or even worse: if coins go to the court, you have only some miserable compensation in BTC or in USD for that. But the point is not what we want. The point is what is fair and what is really legal and wise in this situation. In my opinion, burning coins if majority of their holders agrees with that right now, is legal and fair. The point is, what is legal and what is not. |
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Normally stolen goods are illegal in consequence, if not returned to their rightful owners; so an expert opinion from a qualified lawyer would be a good thing indeed.
This qualified lawyer should be also a crypto expert and understand the nature of decentralised projects. In fact there is a lack of laws in this field yet. Anyway if rightful owners want to burn coins, it's quite simple and fair. Or we can discuss it for years and while we are discussing, coins could be stolen again. Better really burn them asap. Be it cryptocoins or any other goods. The law is the same. If they are stolen, they are illegal goods, as long as they are not returned to the legitimate owner. I'd recommend to ask your lawyer. And if even one of the legitimate owners does not agree to burn them, which makes them lost forever, it could be that the decision-makers of this could be held liable for the loss of that person afterwards. As said, better ask a qualified lawyer, before making this decision. |
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But, is it illegal as they were send to him without his prior knowledge? As this kind of act seems to be a donation of sort. For example, if someone robs a bank with no connection to me and next morning i check my bank account and I see a huge balance in my account as for what ever reason he decided to donate that amount to me because I do help my community anyway I can? So, will it fall under donation money/commodity category and will it be illegal if I use that donation money for the community?
The point is these coins were already blocked in the official wallet. The community (legitimate owners of these coins from Cryptsy) agreed to make these coins unspendable after the block 1,100,000 in March, 2017. Investors were investing in MOON taking into account that these coins are unspendable. For whatever reason, after Vassilis joined Mooncoin development (about a month ago) the protection was hacked. So it was not just a donation of coins, it was hacking of protection and moving a major part of coins which belong to users who agreed to block them earlier - to a public address of Vassilis. After that major owners of these coins told Vassilis that they would prefer to burn these coins. We don't know how the protection was hacked and why it happened only after Vassilis made a new release of wallet. We cannot exclude that some mistakes could be done by him during coding that made a protection less effective. Anyways now he has a good chance to prove that he is an honest and fair dev. My suggestion is to burn coins, and not to send them to any other address, different from a confirmed burn address, or it would lead to more suspicions. Where can we see, how the 60% voted for the burning and how it is verified, that these 60% are the legitimate owners of the original Cryptsy-coins? Everything was already discussed before the block 1,100,000 when these coins were frozen. PM agswinner, he very likely will send you a proof. You will agree, it's not correct , to ask people to disclosure their personal info and how many coins each of them had lost at Cryptsy - publicly. Now it is a new situation. The coins were released from the thief. So everything has to be reconsidered. As much as I agree to not disclosure any personal info, you'll agree, that this has to be handled as transparent as possible. A qualified lawyer could help, finding a way to deal with it. |
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OK, My first post and have a few noob questions and thoughts about this huge supply of Cryptsy coins that landed on Vassilis's wallet. If the coins are burned, will it decrease the total supply permanently? If that is the case then how is it helpful? I guess the only good thing is, it will have a positive impact on price of Mooncoin as a short term effect. From my understanding of previous posts, It is illegal to spend these coins on Vassilis's wallet for further development of Mooncoin in any form or launching new features and projects. But, is it illegal as they were send to him without his prior knowledge? As this kind of act seems to be a donation of sort. For example, if someone robs a bank with no connection to me and next morning i check my bank account and I see a huge balance in my account as for what ever reason he decided to donate that amount to me because I do help my community anyway I can? So, will it fall under donation money/commodity category and will it be illegal if I use that donation money for the community? What if an Virtual NGO (non-profit organization) is formed by Vassilis or a custodian/custodians, who Vassilis hands over/donates the aforementioned mooncoin after formation of the VNGO (assuming he does want want the hassle of dealing with it), who will only spend the coins for further/future development of the Mooncoin and projects/promotions relating to it. Will it be illegal to use those coins then? As I am not an expert, but if indeed coins burned, permanently decreases the total supply of coins, then it is a big loss. If you think this crypto will survive 50/100 years or more, or evolve into something else in future. We need an expert opinion from a lawyer, before we do anything drastic like decrease total supply. This is just my own thoughts and sorry about my English as its not my first language This is an important posting with many good questions and should be handled and discussed wisely. Edit: Normally stolen goods are illegal in consequence, if not returned to their rightful owners; so an expert opinion from a qualified lawyer would be a good thing indeed. |
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But, is it illegal as they were send to him without his prior knowledge? As this kind of act seems to be a donation of sort. For example, if someone robs a bank with no connection to me and next morning i check my bank account and I see a huge balance in my account as for what ever reason he decided to donate that amount to me because I do help my community anyway I can? So, will it fall under donation money/commodity category and will it be illegal if I use that donation money for the community?
The point is these coins were already blocked in the official wallet. The community (legitimate owners of these coins from Cryptsy) agreed to make these coins unspendable after the block 1,100,000 in March, 2017. Investors were investing in MOON taking into account that these coins are unspendable. For whatever reason, after Vassilis joined Mooncoin development (about a month ago) the protection was hacked. So it was not just a donation of coins, it was hacking of protection and moving a major part of coins which belong to users who agreed to block them earlier - to a public address of Vassilis. After that major owners of these coins told Vassilis that they would prefer to burn these coins. We don't know how the protection was hacked and why it happened only after Vassilis made a new release of wallet. We cannot exclude that some mistakes could be done by him during coding that made a protection less effective. Anyways now he has a good chance to prove that he is an honest and fair dev. My suggestion is to burn coins, and not to send them to any other address, different from a confirmed burn address, or it would lead to more suspicions. Where can we see, how the 60% voted for the burning and how it is verified, that these 60% are the legitimate owners of the original Cryptsy-coins? |
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Re: charity
In this case they would convert MOON to BTC or FIAT (MOON is not accepted right now worldwide), that would dump the market, so there would be charity for other people, but a disaster for our community. These coins were blocked and they should stay blocked, as it was promised, even if the protection was hacked. Investors were investing in MOON because they believed these coins were blocked. It's fair. If to send coins to a confirmed burn address, this protection won't be hacked, at least in our lifetime.
I thought Mooncoin was less self-referred and more open-minded like agswinners view; that's why I posted my suggestion as an answer to his posting, because I like his style and how he gets over his personal loss. Think about the effect, that this could have. Someone here was talking about marketing etc. Publishing this to the largest media outlets would make marketing, that the best money and BTC could not buy. Not even the most important closed discord-channel. And technical, one could give only specific amounts to different organizations over a defined period of time. So that even if they convert it directly into BTC or something else, this would not affect the price too much. Think about the current volume on the exchanges, they absorb many Mooncoins fast. Most probably the 17bln coins that are still missing, are already sold, like someone else here mentioned before. So that should not be a real problem. |
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It would be fair if people who had lost coins at Cryptsy would decide what to do with these coins.
I personally had lost a lot of coins at Cryptsy,
but for now I'm not sure: maybe better to burn these coins, to send them to a confirmed (with a technical proof) burn address.
Or there will be suspicions about dumping, split of community etc.
Another way is to send coins to the court, but then no one will benefit.
The Florida court already received 8 bil MOON before, but never returned even 1 Mooncoin to Cryptsy account holders.
Instead of that coins were sold via silent auction to unknown buyers 8 bil MOON + a lot of other crypto coins for a very small amount of money (about $100,000 if I remember correct numbers from their report).
Will anyone benefit from it? If coins were returned to the community, should community send these coins to the court?
They will dump these coins again on us, and we will pay for our own coins and will not receive money, because they will share all received money between all Cryptsy account holders. Is it fair? Not. Is it moral? Not. Is this even legal? Is there any good lawyer in the Mooncoin community?
It is not a hard decision for me (I am the most damaged mooncoin supporter!) I had always thought these coins lost. I love moon and mooncoin comunity! Better burn these coins. Burning the coins is a viable method. But another - maybe better one - could be to donate it. Have you heard about the Pineapple Fund? https://pineapplefund.org/An unknown donator giving $86 million USD worth of BTC of his personal funds to charities. What do you think? |
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