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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Merged mining for Ixcoin on: October 19, 2011, 07:07:01 PM
Merged mining will probably get new users into ixc so it might increase interest and thus value.  Locust/BCEx eventually for most coins mining is going to cease anyways.  In 2015 mining is going to seize for ixcoin anyways.  And in 2030 all mining will cease for bitcoin. 

Mining will not cease.

Subsidies will.

With all due respect, learn the distinction, and then we shall proceed to discuss the optimal way to build a deflationcoin
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Nice Job Blocking the Truth BitcoinExpress on: October 19, 2011, 03:48:16 PM
3) Coming up with creative "deflationesque" feats that do not affect the miner or the hoarder but nonetheless cut some coins out of circulation, because it seems there is a cohort with strong "deflation psychology" adoption drive and it is determined enough to somehow procure my email (which I didn't tell anyone and only used on several forums to register) and bombard me with deflation pamphlets.

How about merging the existing public CPU-mined currencies?

Create a fork of Litecoin with a premine that corresponds to the sum of all the coins mined on TBX + FBX + LTC weighted by their exchange rate over the last week before genesis.
Let's call that TriCoin for the convenience of having a handle for it.

People can decide to transfer their wealtht from TBX, FBX or LTC to TriCoin by destroying all the coins at a given address (using a given "sink" address), and claiming from the premined fund the equivalent amount of TriCoins.
Ownership of the coin that have been destroyed can be proven by turning over the private key of the empty account to the TriCoin premine fund manager who will verify that he can rederive the address from the submitted private key.
Upon success of this check, the premine fund manager will credit the corresponding amount of TriCoin to the chosen TriCoin recipient address.

The goal is to merge TBX, FBX and LTC to create a unique and stronger CPU mined currency.
This is also an opportunity for TBX and FBX to change their monetary policy.

Of course, in order to convince holders of LTC and FBX, the 7.7M premine of Tenebrix should not be eligible for conversion.

I'd like to remind you that Transaction Anonymizer can only operate with the premine, and that LTC and FBX/TBX have notably different assumptions about economics and even different blockrates.
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Merged mining for Ixcoin on: October 19, 2011, 01:29:46 PM
I'd say the main driver of namecoin value would be US Gov and its ugly "intellectual property protecshun" initiatives Wink
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Tenebrix Faucet on: October 19, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Send the remains to tRPHNC7AuyQWvg6y6zK5C8g93Vutr8J7YB

That's where all the faucet moneys are.
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Nice Job Blocking the Truth BitcoinExpress on: October 19, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
How many coins will lolclown give you for apologizing to him publicly?

Less than it would take to hire someone to teach you basic block explorer use skills.

Yawn.

Somebody says something on the forum, price falls, hence people saying stuff on the forum cause price falls.

Trees are waving, the faucet is dripping. Movement of trees is thus cause of plumbing failures.

Lolcust, wher you been? Sorry about the TBX thing, the Idiot kept saying it so I just validated it for him. Apolgize. Won't happen again.

Busy with
1) IRL (Lolcust is voracious and needs to be fed, ya kno)
2) Laundry and Potential Wondertainment Feature (will release more details as concept gets finalized and looked at by ArtForz who is sadly quite busy with other issues right now)
3) Coming up with creative "deflationesque" feats that do not affect the miner or the hoarder but nonetheless cut some coins out of circulation, because it seems there is a cohort with strong "deflation psychology" adoption drive and it is determined enough to somehow procure my email (which I didn't tell anyone and only used on several forums to register) and bombard me with deflation pamphlets.
Such a strongly driven demographic can be helpful irrespective of economic beliefs, so i've set out on a quest to come up with a "million needlepicks" way to induce "harmless" (from miner and user POV) coin loss.

The first product of this affair is now a Tenebrix Code Bounty (see relevant thread) and second might become part of the additional functionality that will be added (so far no details, because it is a very raw concept and I am reluctant to discuss it until Art takes a look and passes his judgment)

And yes, I will be very grateful if in the future all parties would kindly refrain from dragging me into various "scandals" without my knowledge or a single shred of warning.
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Merged mining for Ixcoin on: October 19, 2011, 09:56:01 AM
Huh Stop mining?  That would stop the currency.... and make it all worthless... I don't understand what that accomplishes?

Mining offers no value to the currency.  Bitcoin at price of 5 has to come up with $1500 every hour to keep it from collapsing.  Yes, eventually it will reach 1% inflation in 15 years.  Mining makes the currency go down!  way down! 

Sadly, mining is also the sole act that allows transactions to become confirmed in the first place, and the sole thing that keeps one from double-spending.

In case you are concerned by  growth of the number of coins available on the market for purchase (a dubious concern, but I am quite tired of arguing over it with deflation crowd), what you should be looking into is introducing factors that increase irrevocable loss of coins, not decrease production (that would induce the overall number of coins available for purchase on the market to stabilize more quickly)
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Nice Job Blocking the Truth BitcoinExpress on: October 19, 2011, 09:27:55 AM
Yawn.

Somebody says something on the forum, price falls, hence people saying stuff on the forum cause price falls.

Trees are waving, the faucet is dripping. Movement of trees is thus cause of plumbing failures.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: deflation coin all mining stops within 6 months on: October 17, 2011, 07:35:13 AM
Okay, now I am reasonably confident this is a case of so-called "trolling".

Nice job, sir.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tenebrix, a CPU-friendly, GPU-hostile cryptocurrency on: October 17, 2011, 01:13:24 AM



Yes Moron I jerked your chains and you fell for it. You kept saying it so much I finally just verified your own BS.


Belatedly, I have to say that this was a rather harsh maneuver. I will be grateful if in the future, issues are settled without involving claims regarding my person.

On a sidenote, ladies and gentlemen, always consult with block explorer to verify claims of bounties having been paid for something or other, be that code, protecshun, or spam sprees in twatter.
50  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 17, 2011, 01:09:47 AM
Oh boy, the hunt for red pignoder begins
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: We need a litecoin improvement -deflation within 6 months on: October 17, 2011, 01:06:33 AM
Yes, yes, a community of several thousands alt-coin enthusiasts is destroying BTC lol. Roll Eyes

Also, since when is deflation necessary for a usable currency ?
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [LIST][TEMPORARY] All tenebrix bounties (till website section gets sorted out) on: October 15, 2011, 01:53:12 AM
Hi!

Until site gets proper bounty section, here's what TBX bounties are available (auto-track folks, consolidating this for ya)


Tenebrix Service bounty - a Tenebrix Ponzi "Game"


Tenebrix Service bounty - a Tenebrix Poker Room


TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY -  burning  fees

Bounty on a collection of Windows minerd builds (will most likely go to Twobits, but who knows - a challenger may still appear)
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
Question:

Is there enough support in the TBX community to implement such a change to successfully take over 51% of the chain right away at block x?

I don't mine TBX so this doesn't really concern me, but I'm curious.

There is an extremely strong support for this tweak from the "we need our deflation BACK" brigade (this whole tweak is the result of email exchange with some of the more vocal and driven people on that front) and it appears that nobody really minds it since it does not affect fundamental network behavior from current user perspective (nominally, fees are still fees and "miner tipping" isn't used) and miner perspective (without subsidy cuts, no one cares about whether fees proper are blackholed)

So the only problem could be update apathy, but since I intend to bundle it with new and better miner suite and perhaps linux blobs, I expect that to be overcome (especially if the DEFLATION brigade will help out on the public awareness front)
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Well, finding a keypair that would have a pubkey which, when processed via standard bitcoin sequence, results in EXACTLY DevNull0DevNull0DevNull0DevNull0000000 is expensive enough to be considered a purely theoretical concern (thousands millions of years down the line, my posthuman nanorobotic descendants will reclaim all those brix, muhahahaha!)

Of course, one could make a custom transaction output  script along the lines of, maybe, "push false, return"  for those fees, and modify "standard transaction" rules accordingly.

I guess it's up to the programmer (who I am not) to decide which way to take, but ways that allow easy coin burning in other situations would be considered superior of course.
55  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: why mess around with alt coins, litecoin on: October 14, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
I'm throwing my 1.x Ghash/sec at Litecoin, why not do something different from the mainstream. And I am ramping up my exchange to handle Litecoins too (http://www.vircurex.com) once I have some Litecoins to do all the testing needed.


You have a botnet that can do scrypt in gigahashes ?
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 03:50:51 PM
Why doesn't Artforz just do it?  Especially since part of the requirement be that he has to be the final seal of approval.  Honestly it doesn't seem like a lot of work anyway, and Artforz's skillz are legendary, no?

He's busy with a more complicated and important (vital,even) feature , and reviewing submissions is far less work than making one of your own.

So why not get other people involved for a fairly reasonable compensation, huh ?

That's fine, and great but why make Artforz sole judge and jury for the work someone is looking to get paid for what's to stop him from cherry picking from his hacker fanboi club when someone else does something the same or better?  Would be almost (but not quite) as bad as asking DBX to do it.  Hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks Artforz is scum and would feel disgraced by him being my peer reviewer...  Heck, pick coblee or one of the other decent BTC folks or someone else in the TBX community with some decent coding experience as your peer reviewer.  It's just him that I have a beef with and hope others do as well.

ArtForz is a highly proficient programmer with almost uncanny grasp of long-term consequences of various tweaks and bells and whistles one might want in a cryptocoin, and he kindly agreed to review the submissions.

Of course, given public and open-source nature of TBX and this bounty, others are welcome to review the code as well Wink

ArtForz is not prone to nepotism and not impervious to calm, rational argument, and given the public nature of this exercise  anyone who disagrees with his assessment upon review will have every mean imaginable to express his/her PoV and provide counter-arguments.
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Why doesn't Artforz just do it?  Especially since part of the requirement be that he has to be the final seal of approval.  Honestly it doesn't seem like a lot of work anyway, and Artforz's skillz are legendary, no?

He's busy with a more complicated and important (vital,even) feature , and reviewing submissions is far less work than making one of your own.

So why not get other people involved for a fairly reasonable compensation, huh ?
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Status of Fairbrix on: October 14, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
If I recall correctly, coblee has stated he will continue maintaining fairbrix to give it a fair chance.

Besides BTC-E sortakinda Smiley said they will launch FBX and LTC exchanges together, so it would be a shame to dump FBX that close to getting an exchange.
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 02:36:59 PM
It is not very promising if the maintainer of a cryptocurrency is not a developer and has to make a job posting for code improvements  Wink

 bounties for spam, however, are sign of a true masterpiece
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] TENEBRIX CODE BOUNTY on: October 14, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Upon contemplation, I like the "use special-case bullshit address DevNull0DevNull0DevNull0DevNull0000000 for coin burning" idea very much, as it seems very easy to reuse later for other coin-burning tricks that are about to come
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