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401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Sunny King: Weekly Update #110 on: September 30, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
How Sunny King perceives Nu ("...the first major DAC project in peercoin ecosystem..."):

Have a look here:
http://www.peercointalk.org/index.php?topic=3440.msg33283#msg33283

or here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114994.msg9032957#msg9032957


Yes, here is the whole quote...

Weekly Update #110

  • NuBits project (http://nubits.com/) is now released by Jordan and NuBits team. NuBits is a first implementation of Peershares, utilizing its share and dividend system. NuBits introduces fiat equivalent currency unit, pegged via share holder voting and interest system, with high degree of decentralization. Compared to centralized bank notes, such as exchange fiat balance, it has much better decentralization and privacy property. In my opinion, NuBits is a highly interesting experiment in the cryptocurrency field, providing a class of digital currency with differing set of properties from centralized notes and cryptocurrencies.
  • Congratulations to NuBits team on completing the first major DAC project in Peercoin ecosystem!

Have fun!
402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: NuBits Has Been Unveiled on: September 24, 2014, 07:28:18 PM
Here is an excellent post on how NuBits helps Peercoin...

http://www.reddit.com/r/peercoin/comments/2hb4cn/why_the_revolution_devours_its_children_is_not/

Plus this quote in case anyone missed it...

Quote from: CoinGame
Peercoin holds a very important role in the design of NuBits. It is the incentive to build a better and stronger Nu Network. If Peercoin is not doing well then NuShare holders will lose out on their own incentive.

This will in time prove to be a beneficial symbiotic relationship between the coins. Improving the usability and utility of Peercoin is good for the NuShares holders as well.
403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: NuBits Released. on: September 24, 2014, 12:04:53 AM
Nu is a clever system, but as soon as its details were revealed, it was obvious that it isn't going to have any direct impact on the PPC price. Sure, it will pay dividends in PPC, but that's not a net buying pressure. It could indirectly help PPC price by bringing new people into the ecosystem, etc, but paying dividends in PPC creates selling pressure (people cashing their dividends out) which exactly cancels out the buying pressure that comes from the Nu system acquiring the PPC in the first place.

I don't see why this would be the case. I think it's inevitable that many NuShareholders are also going to be Peercoin holders. Why would they sell? I know I wouldn't at least. And besides buying pressure, this relationship between the coins will help Peercoin in other ways. This quote is from a NuBits developer on our subreddit...

Quote
Peercoin holds a very important role in the design of NuBits. It is the incentive to build a better and stronger Nu Network. If Peercoin is not doing well then NuShare holders will lose out on their own incentive.

This will in time prove to be a beneficial symbiotic relationship between the coins. Improving the usability and utility of Peercoin is good for the NuShares holders as well.
404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: NuBits Released. on: September 23, 2014, 05:02:37 PM
There is a lot of info and questions answered on the NuBits forum. Check it out...

http://discuss.nubits.com/
405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: NuBits Released. on: September 23, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
5 Minutes after NuBits rel, PPC Crash from 0.038 to 0.030  Shocked Shocked
Why??

Classic buy the rumor sell the news. The fact that the details were kept secret pretty much sends the message (intended or not) that the news may not be live up to the hype. This indeed, turned out to be true.

The secrecy was to retain first mover advantage. As was said, read the whitepaper in full and maybe you'll change your mind.
406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: NuBits Released. on: September 23, 2014, 03:03:02 PM
Read the whitepaper. It will take a while to sink in..

https://nubits.com/about/white-paper

It took me several days to digest all that info. Take your time guys. By the way, here is an interview with Jordan Lee from TheCoinFront...

http://thecoinfront.com/an-interview-with-nubits-head-developer-jordan-lee/
407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: Less Than an Hour Until the Release of NuBits on: September 23, 2014, 02:14:52 PM
The website is a complete mess.

They're just having a little problem. It will be fixed soon.
408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: Less Than 5 Hours Until the Release of NuBits on: September 23, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
It is also the first cryptocurrency to use proof-of-stake technology, an energy efficient solution to securing its network, which was invented by Peercoin's architect, Sunny King.
Not true. PoS was invented much earlier https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27787.0 . Sunny King though was the first to implement it.

Proof-of-stake was invented by Sunny King and Scott Nadal independent of what was going on at BitcoinTalk. Check this interview...

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-real-sunny

Quote
SM: What led to the creation of the proof-of-stake algorithm? What inspired you? Do you remember where you were or what you were doing when you came up with it?
 

SK: That was in 2011, we had a small study group on bitcoin

Back then there were already a few 'altcoins' floating around, and more being created, but of course not as much as nowadays. We were thinking about something different, not a clone of bitcoin, but different algorithms, for example, addressing the energy problem of bitcoin.

That's how we started looking into alternative consensus mechanism, that using coins itself to secure cryptocurrency. We came up with the ideas ourselves, but later we learned that some people were discussing related ideas on bitcointalk forums in 2011 as well. Overall I think proof-of-stake is a good term describing the general ideas. The difference is, in 2011 we were pretty much the only people committed to use pure proof-of-stake as consensus mechanism. Everyone else were just trying to see if proof-of-stake can provide some patchwork to bitcoin's proof-of-work.
409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinMarketApp.com - The future of how we access information on: September 23, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
Thanks, also a question about this...

Quote
- News  - LIVE notifications will alert you in the app when a press release is published on the Google News network.

Would this news come from Peercoin's Google+ page or is it a news feed that you guys control? Right now we mainly submit news through Facebook, Twitter and Reddit, but we have a Google+ page. I just need to get it setup and ready.
410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why is Peercoin going up in price so much? on: September 23, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
SunnyKing is playing the really really long game, to the extent that most crypto people don't understand peercoin at all. Most crypto people including BTC's ers dream of Amazon, Ebay etc. They don't get that these are small companies with little money/cash/etc and likely push price down at least in the short term. Retail is crap and exactly were the money is not. Peercoin is aimed squarely at the Banking system, where the money is.

The extent to how crypto's dont get this is that there is no competitor to PeerCoin still, whereas every other crypto has multiple competitors.

Very nice answer!
411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinMarketApp.com - The future of how we access information on: September 23, 2014, 09:01:30 AM
Hi, Peercoin seems to be in the screenshot, but it's not in your list. Is Peercoin going to be supported as well?

Also, the logo you're using was a very early design of the Peercoin logo which was rejected. The official logo files can be found individually at the link below. You can also download the zip file containing everything...

http://www.peercointalk.org/index.php?topic=3166.msg29878#msg29878
412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PPC] Peercoin Official Thread: Less Than 7 Hours Until the Release of NuBits on: September 23, 2014, 08:32:50 AM
Nice copy of Nxt thread layout. Let's see what more is new in Peercoin universe.

I admit, I really liked their format and felt it was the best way to present things. I changed it up though by adding a text intro to Peercoin, as well as videos, etc...
413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Peercoin [PPC] Official Thread: Less Than 12 Hours Until the Release of NuBits on: September 23, 2014, 03:05:18 AM


I've been with Peercoin since early 2013 and I've never met a more dedicated, professional and intelligent group of people. We're working on solutions here that will change the world. And in a little less than 11 hours, you're all going to see how serious we are about competing with Bitcoin!
414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / [PPC] Peercoin - Indicium Logo & PeerAssets Diagram Released on: September 23, 2014, 02:17:10 AM



  • What is Peercoin?
  • The Problem With Proof-of-Work Based Digital currencies
  • Why Proof of Stake Makes Peercoin a Superior Alternative
  • Microtransactions & Off-Chain Networks
  • Learn More
  • Community
  • Project Development
  • Wallets & Exchanges
  • Minting & Mining
  • Resources



Peercoin (PPC) is a peer-to-peer, decentralized, digital cryptocurrency. It is a payment network without a single point of control or issuing authority (like the US Federal Reserve). Peercoin relies on cryptography and peer-to-peer networking to validate balances and transactions. It is also the first cryptocurrency to use proof-of-stake technology, an energy efficient solution to securing its network, which was invented by Peercoin's architect, Sunny King.



Bitcoin relies on Mining (Proof-of-Work) to secure its network and validate transactions. Users who mine are rewarded with Bitcoins, thus providing them with an incentive to secure the network. The inherent problem with proof-of-work mining is that it creates a "computational arms race" for more and more powerful hardware dedicated to mining to gain an advantage over others and increase the chances of receiving a reward.

As seen with Bitcoin, this competition shuts out most people from the mining process and pushes control of the network into the hands of those who can afford it. Thus, proof-of work mining has turned Bitcoin from a decentralized network where anyone can participate, into a network that has centralized control into the hands of the few. This is a long term problem for Bitcoin because it increases the risk of a person or entity gaining control of 51% of the mining power, allowing them to attack the network by reversing transactions, blocking confirmations, performing double spends and other attacks which could destroy confidence in Bitcoin. Centralized cryptocurrencies also make easier targets for governments to shut down.



Peercoin was designed by developer and architect Sunny King. Peercoin uses Proof-of-Work solely as a way to distribute coins more fairly, as opposed to an IPO (Initial Public Offering). To maintain the security of the network, Sunny King invented a new mechanism called Proof-of-Stake, which allows people to secure the network using the Peercoins they already hold. While not transacting with your Peercoins, you can hold them in your wallet and engage in a process called "minting," which secures the network and offers you a 1% annual reward. This encourages saving. Proof-of-stake minting is an energy efficient solution to securing the network, meaning that the entire network can be sustained on low-powered hardware, allowing even basic computers to participate. Equal participation is important because it allows Peercoin to remain as decentralized as possible.

The only way for a person or entity to attack the Peercoin network is for them to acquire 51% of the coins that are minting. In practice, attempting to purchase the amount of coins necessary to carry out an attack would drive the price up to astronomical levels, making it counter-productive for an attacker because they would be forced to put their entire investment at risk.

One other major benefit in a proof-of-stake system is that the owners of the network assets (peercoin holders) are also the ones who control the network, as opposed to Bitcoin where there is a disassociation between those who control the network (miners) and those who own its assets (bitcoin holders). In Peercoin these interests are aligned. Peercoin holders are the ones who control the network.

The main strengths of Peercoin are sustainability, increased security (particularly against the "51% attack"), and its economic properties, which allow it to function as a long-term store of value, or "backbone" currency. In technical terms, Peercoin can be expressed as:
  • Proof-of-Stake, a sustainable coin generation model where a 1% annual reward is generated on coins held.
  • Absence of hard limit on total coins in existence, modeling the supply of natural resources such as gold.
  • Presence of 0.01 PPC/kb network transaction fee that is destroyed rather than paid to miners, in order to offset inflation caused by the minting of new coins.
  • Transaction fee also limits casual, micro-sized transactions, making Peercoin's blockchain small and lean, even after almost three years.



As mentioned above, one of the purposes of Peercoin's 0.01 PPC/kb network transaction fee is to eliminate blockchain bloat caused by microtransactions. As a result of microtransactions, Bitcoin's blockchain has grown massively in size, takes days to download and consumes high amounts of hard drive space. By comparison, Peercoin's blockchain remains tiny even after almost three years, the download time is quick and the entire blockchain is small enough to fit on mobile devices. This makes Peercoin more manageable than Bitcoin.

Even though the transaction fee has been a positive for Peercoin so far, many people are concerned with the fee heading into the future because it would seemingly prevent Peercoin from being used as a transactional currency. A major part of the story is missing here though. In an interview dated 10/24/13, Sunny explained Peercoin's design and how it improved upon Bitcoin. Notice the bolded sentence in the quote below:

Quote from: Sunny King
"Both PPC and XPM are designed to last. PPC is designed with energy efficiency, XPM is designed with energy multiuse. Bitcoin has a long term uncertainty as to whether transaction fees can sustain good enough level of security. Before that the main concern is how to balance transaction volume and transaction fee levels. Currently I get the feeling that bitcoin developers favor very low transaction fees and very high transaction volume, to be competitive against centralized systems (paypal, visa, mastercard etc) in terms of transaction volume, to the point of sacrificing decentralization. This also brings major uncertainties to bitcoin's future.

From my point of view, I think the cryptocurrency movement needs at least one 'backbone' currency, or more, that maintains high degree of decentralization, maintains high level of security, but not necessarily providing high volume of transactions. Thinking of savings accounts and gold coins, you don't transact them at high velocity but they form the backbone of the monetary systems.

Pure proof-of-work systems such as bitcoin is not 100% suitable for this task. This is because transaction fee is not a reliable incentive to sustain network security. If the mining generation amount is kept constant (there have been several such attempts in altcoins) it would work better security-wise but then it would also significantly weaken the scarcity property of the currency. XPM's inflation model is designed in such a way that it could serve as backbone currency better than bitcoin if needed, because it could maintain high security reliably for longer, with reasonably good scarcity property as well. Of course that's only from architect's point of view, whether or not it would be chosen by the market is a whole different matter.

PPC is designed to serve even better as a backbone currency. The proof-of-stake technology in PPC is not only energy efficient; it also maintains high level of security without relying on transaction fee. Thus PPC could be safely designed with strong scarcity property yet serving well as backbone currency. Both PPC and XPM use protocol enforced transaction fees, which reflects my preference that high transaction volume is discouraged in favor of serving as backbone currencies.

Right now if we are talking about micropayments in the US$1 range, both PPC and XPM still handle them with much lower overhead than credit card network. In the long term micropayments should be provided by centralized providers, or a less decentralized network optimized for high capacity transaction processing.

On the other hand there is no promise that minimum transaction fee wouldn't be adjusted. If processing capacity of personal computers continues to advance at the current pace, both max block size and minimum transaction fee could very well be adjusted at some point. However I do take a very cautious approach to adjusting transaction fees, as opposed to bitcoin devs. The impact to the fitness of the currency as a backbone currency is of great concerns to me."

A decentralized, censorship resistant blockchain is suitable for safe and secure storage of value, while a centralized or less decentralized off-chain solution is better for transactions due to high performance and low fees. Sunny thus designed Peercoin knowing that such off-chain networks would become important in the future.

One example of an off-chain network is Open Transactions, or OT for short. When implemented, OT will allow any size amount of Peercoin to be transacted instantaneously, enabling Peercoin to retain its ability to be used as a transactional currency, even with the 0.01 PPC/kb fee still in place.

Another advantage is that Peercoin will handle its connection to an off-chain network like OT much better than Bitcoin. Bitcoin miners won't receive the fees from transactions happening within the OT network, which could become problematic for Bitcoin in the future once the block reward lowers. Peercoin on the other hand is perfectly set to handle this potential future due to the low cost of minting.

Peercoin and off-chain networks like OT are perfect for each other. Peercoin provides a decentralized and secure currency while OT provides fast and inexpensive tools to manipulate and exchange Peercoins in everyday life. And Open Transactions is only one example. Peercoin will be able to connect to other high speed off-chain networks as they are developed and released.

As you can see, Peercoin has been carefully designed with the long-term in mind. It was built to last. If you would like to get involved, then please join our community forum at PeercoinTalk.org. There are many projects being worked on. Together, we are working to build the world's most decentralized and energy efficient cryptocurrency. Come and be a part of something truly revolutionary!



  • peercoin.net - The official Peercoin website.
  • peercointalk.org - The official Peercoin forum.
  • peercoin.chat - The official chat room for Peercoin.
  • Twitter - Follow Peercoin's Twitter feed for the latest news.
  • Facebook - Get the latest news on Peercoin's Facebook page.
  • Reddit - The official Reddit community for Peercoin.
  • Google+ - Peercoin's Google Plus page.
  • YouTube - Watch helpful videos and tutorials about Peercoin.
  • Telegram - Peercoin chat service on Telegram.
  • IRC Chat - Peercoin chat on Freenode.



  • Video Tutorials - Introductory videos about Peercoin and tutorials.
  • Peercoin Wisdom - A resource for technical information and peer review.
  • Development - Core development and community projects.
  • Media - A collection of articles and interviews about Peercoin.
  • Whitepaper - Peercoin whitepaper by Sunny King.
  • Myths - Counter-arguments for common Peercoin myths.
  • FAQ - Frequently asked questions about Peercoin.
  • Wiki - Peercoin's dedicated wiki on GitHub.



  • PeerAssets - Protocol for issuing and transacting with assets, including features like voting and dividends.
  • PeerKeeper - A thin wallet for minting in browser and mobile phones, with built-in PeerAssets support.
  • Peerbox - Platform for secure minting and running Peercoin nodes.
  • PARS Network - A subnet of the Peercoin network that can mint non-standard transactions without forking the Peercoin.
  • PeerScript Labs - A testing grounds for developers to experiment with scripts and smart contracts on Peercoin.
  • P2TH - Tagging a txn using a publicly known address allows for rapid parsing of the blockchain.









415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Redesigned Peercoin.net is now LIVE! on: September 10, 2014, 04:07:55 PM
PPC hasnt been doing well lately...

PPC has big things coming. Most of the focus has been on development lately. Check this page to see just some of the projects being worked on. Lots of cryptos have been doing poorly. Patience is needed.
416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Redesigned Peercoin.net is now LIVE! on: September 09, 2014, 09:41:45 PM
Honestly, I think Peercoin is one of the few cryptocurrencies to arrive at the "golden age" of altcoins where there was enough excitement for broad-based interest but not so many fly-by-night scamcoins that it was simply foolish for anyone but insiders to dive into the pot early.  Although I suppose no distribution could ever be unequivocally fair, I'm not sure it will ever be possible to match a launch as "unbiased" as Peercoin's continues to be.

I think this point is especially important. It's much harder for a PoS coin to launch these days as interest in cryptos is magnitudes higher than when Peercoin launched. Today there are entire farming rigs ready to instamine every coin, and whales who can buy large portions of PoS coins and attack the network, as we've seen with a few coins. Peercoin was very fortunate to launch when it did.

I hope you bitcointalk people are ready for the return of Peercoin in these coming months, cause it's happening.

Yes, something Nu is coming!  Grin
417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / The Redesigned Peercoin.net is now LIVE! on: September 08, 2014, 06:25:39 PM
Hi everyone. For the past couple of months, we've been working on redesigning Peercoin's website. We're currently at a stage in the redesign where we feel what we have is good enough to finally launch, so the website is now LIVE!

http://www.peercoin.net/

We'll continue working on different aspects of the website in the mean time. If you encounter any display issues or have any suggestions, please post them here or open an issue on GitHub: https://github.com/super3/peercoin.net/issues
418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Get 10 PPC for setting up a Peercoin node on a Raspberry Pi on: July 29, 2014, 08:56:29 PM
Help spread some Peercoin on Pi!  Grin
419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Peercoin Newsletter #9: Sigmike Joins Sunny, NuBits Announced, v0.5 Development on: July 24, 2014, 01:23:29 AM
Sunny King just gave an excellent interview: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-real-sunny

I can't believe I'm just now finding out that Sunny King and his partner Scott came up with the idea for proof-of-stake by themselves. I always thought he learned about it from quantummechanic's thread. It just shows what a visionary he is.
420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Peercoin Newsletter #9: Sigmike Joins Sunny, NuBits Announced, v0.5 Development on: July 22, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
I for one can't wait for NuBits. So few people know about it right now. It's going to be absolutely MASSIVE when it gets released and not just because it will benefit Peercoin. A tool that will help stabilize the volatility of cryptocurrencies will be huge. It's been needed for some time now.

(Note: I'm not on the NuBits team.)
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