WELL LET,S SEE THIS AS AN UPDATE TO THAT..THEN..  |
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what made you change ur mind?
i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.
So, your going to quit mining? i have quit a while ago and wanted to restart with bfl asic's but i dont see any sense in it when i loose money over it. i think its better to just buy coins. (this also saves me from discussions with my wife) a GOOD REASON TO DITCH THE WOMAN...  KIDDING..  bUYING AND SELLING IS A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE INDEED... |
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hi, i just want to share my bfl refund experience. i have send them an email and after three days i've got all my bitcoins back. obviously they gave me a few less coins because of the changed usd/btc price. i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear. i do still think bfl is the best asic vendor - at least for now what made you change ur mind? |
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What is the average age on this forum 
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Falls die Mitspieler einigermassen ehrlich spielen wäre meine aktuelle Einschätzung in dieser Reihenfolge: - bASIC
- ganz knapp danach Bitforce SC
- viel zu spät der Avalon ASIC
Sehe ich genauso, denke auch, dass Tom der Erste sein wird. Will es zumindest hoffen, denn finanziell wird das für die jeweiligen Miner natürlich riesige Unterschiede machen ;o) Ich denke der Preis für den Avalon wird sicherlich auch gesenkt, denn im Vergleich ist er durch die Anpassungen von BFL und bASIC deutlich zu teuer und dazu auch viel zu spät. Auch wenn bASIC die ersten ASICs sind (wo ich gar nicht so sicher wäre), gebe ich zu bedenken: Die Produktionskapazität von BFL ist viel höher als Tom's (man vergleiche nur den ModMiner mit FPGA Single Verkaufszahlen - BFL hat schon mehr Leute und mehr Equipment um die Produktion schnell anzufahren; ganz zu schweigen davon dass bASIC ein structured ASIC ist, und der full custom ASIC von BFL in viel höheren Stückzahlen billig hergestellt werden kann). Und wenn BFL anfahren, dann mit einem höheren Produktionsvolumen und energieeffizienteren Chips (full custom ASIC kann generell einen niedrigeren Stromverbrauch erbringen als structured ASIC). Daher profitieren wesentlich weniger Leute von einem frühen Verkaufsstart von bASIC (nur die mit ganz niedrigen Bestellnummern) als von BFL. Wer also nicht unter den frühesten Bestellungen von bASIC ist, braucht sich wenig Illusionen machen, mehr Profit zu machen als eine BFL Bestellung des ersten Verkaufsmonats (und die gibt's am Forum zu Verkauf). Das "ganz knapp danach" Statement muss daher für die Mehrheit der bASIC Bestellungen relative gesehen werden: wer 2 Wochen nach BFL's Start (wenn die Difficulty steigt) seinen bASIC bekommt (und das werden die meisten sein), spürt dann schon keinen Vorteil an einem früheren Start mehr. Klingt ja soweit logisch und nachvollziehbar.. aber wie kommst du drauf, dass BFL einen full custom ASIC herstellt? Die Lüge haben die ja schon früher beim BFL Single gebracht.. und was soll das mit dem Produktionsvolumen? Egal ob structured ASIC oder full-custom-asic: Beides ist im Endeffekt gleich kompliziert herzustellen/zu fertigen.. ist ja nicht so als ob BFL die Kapazität oder das Geld hätte mal eben entsprechende Kapazitäten selbst im Haus zu haben (schliesslich wollen die ja auch Geld verdienen)... BFL muss erstmal irgendwas liefern, und wenn es nur ein Prototyp ist, damit man denen irgendwas glauben sollte, oder ihnen gar geld zuschieben sollte.. Damals bei den FPGA haben die dermaßen viel Mist geschrieben und später zu viele Lügen eingestanden, als das man denen etwas wie einen asic zutrauen oder der firma insgesamt trauen sollte... (imho) adress das BFL?? obwohl das asics versorgt,gelieverd wirde dann ist es nur ein Betrug, weil die massive Übertragung wird minen das gleiche wie das jetzt mit einer GPU 800mhase ist, tat dies durch die Erhöhung der Schwierigkeit, beim Anblick der hasrate zelde Erträge wie heute.. nur die Sicherheit des Netzwerks ist ein Vorteil der asics .. sorry für mein schlechtes Deutsch |
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[/quote] Fact BFL posted these fake pictures of a product they have not made yet. [/quote] +1 SCAM could also be explained as at the time they WILL deliver they are worthless pieces of gear because they will deliver/generate the same amount of BTC as an GPU of 800mhase does right now an you will be behind in the game again like ur right now, thats a scam to only plus is the securety of the network but if u say u are in for that u ar an liar. show both devices in one foto makes sure it taken at the same timeframe now they just upgraded the jally board few days later added some parts take another shoot and he there is the SC board,, yeah right...grow a dick and mine on... |
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That may be the most intelligent post I've seen from you yet. Hey faggot, go back to coding and attaching trojans to your miner! Wow, Your going STRAIGHT onto my ignore list Ckolivas is the creator of the legendary CGminer, One of The Best mining programs out there, He publishses all source and is totally transparent about his product. Your calling him a faggot, Thats derogatory considering that i doubt you know his sexuality, And he has not ever attached a trojan to the CGminer compilable files. Everyone would see it! +1 |
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Just saw this posted in another thread... We are not going to be shipping the first week of November, I can definitely say that. We are waiting on the bulk chips from the foundry, that is really the major delay right now. As soon as that dam breaks loose, we pretty much have everything else either ready to go or in the pipeline to be completed shortly. Q: when They are not done yet. We are paying for what's called a "bullet run" though, which is essentially an expedited process to get the chips done sooner. > From BFL forums https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks/page8They will probably hire some extra staff to make the 700pc a day runs going on with there haevily invested production equipment they bought this month a face tot face section of there employees at there production facility be cool on there website, but without sunclasses  haha..GL and just click my link@sig would give u some rest...  |
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try moving the Bitcoin window to the far upper left corner of the desktop window. ...
no, it doesn't work either... Do you mean that u miss the menu wich normally is in left corner ?? Try righter mouse click in the screen and the menu will pop up or ctrl esc works also,but i don,t now if this is what u mean GL |
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Mining is a function of Quality assurance.........
Since these manufacturers need (hopefully) to test the kit before it is sent out ,and a 1 hour burn in would be totally acceptable.
Personally We used to run 24 hour burn ins to remove 'bath tub failures' on lighting.
Unless they setup dummy mining servers or utilise dummy back ends, it is feasible that they will 'impact' the generation of bit coins.
Now we could in theory use that 'meta-data' to see when they actually start manufacturing /shipping these rigs.
HC
Well there are no asic out there yet, but they will be shipping them nov/dec mmm testing them for 4 weeks then ship them to customers they hang them on the net 24/7 and after 6 weeks they blow up then there super customer service will deliver a new one in few days??? yeah right dream on people... |
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...3) BFL then starts connecting, on a live webcam or screencast or whatever to given credentials within just a few minutes and stay connected for 30min? 60min?
Even if there would be prototype ASICs available right now, there's no software that supports them. ckolivas/cgminer has offered to support the ASICs - but hasn't received anything (prototypes, dev board, etc.) from BFL yet. And, according to Josh/BFL, not even their own miner - EasyMiner - supports the ASICs. Biggest question for me so far: How on earth do those guys test their own hardware?!Ok.. i didnt know that... so... goooood question... Well if they cannot proof to someone thats very reliable like Ckolivas who i now is 100% for real another red flag appears to me...so we will see the lack of proof could be the lack of self reflexion and customercare in all cases .. |
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Veel techguys in NL zitten wat veel op tweakers.net en geloven alles wat daar wordt geventileerd, en daar wordt veel over BTC negatief in het dag licht gezet, zoek maar es op bitcoins daarzo.. ze halen bv alleen nieuws over BTC aan als er weer een hack of scam aan de oppervlakte komt drijven, eenzijdige informatie helaas vooral voor een zo genaamde geek fora zou ik veel meer verwachten in deze, maar goed de ontwetendheid zal ze wel parte spelen. Iedereen roept hier altijd waarom hebben wij niet fb, google, ebay enz bedacht..we denken dat we heel wat zijn binnen onze kaders ..wel.. alles goed geregeld en vastgelegt, maar buiten de box denken en handelen ...nee dat is niks voor nuchtere Nlders laat dat maar aan de Americanen en andere creatievelingen over...Meeloop volkje van ong 17miljoen wat wil je nou... kijk naar onze loser leiders in Den Haag srry to say so.. -Enigste voorbeeld waar we op het moment toonaangevend in zijn is dat we veel particulieren webshops enz in de lucht hebben, -bedrijven die massaal een FB pagina aanmaken om info te delen met hun doelgroepen .. -inkooporganisaties die massaal een merk uit grond stampen door marketingstrategieen zoals bv ZALANDO -andere succes zijn meestal afgeleiders van de reeds bedachte formules uit oa VS Proost Marketing en verkoop, de kunst van het misleiden van mensen om zo veel mogelijk voor jouw goederen en diensten te betalen, heeft voor mij heel weinig te maken met innovatie. Over niet al te lange tijd zullen mainstream technici en media zich op Bitcoin storten en pretenderen dat men altijd geweten heeft dat Bitcoin revolutionair is. Daarna volgen de marketing- en consultancy-bureaus en zullen de social media experts en de SEO bedrijven van vandaag een nieuwe melkkoe gevonden hebben. Neem ASIC custom chip bv dat is een en al innovatie en ook nog op het hoogste niveau, maar de marketing en verkoop lopen toch net iets harder voor ze zodat ze veel mensen het idee geven te innoveren maar in werkelijkheid zeer waarschijnlijk nooit gaan leveren, of in iedergeval niet volgens vooraf beloofde specs... |
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To all those people who think they get more BTC in the first few days-weeks.....
What will happen if the ASIC manufactures blow up the difficulty before they start shipping? they got there money anyways.... Who ever gets them late thinks they are not the first inline....
Whos gonna benefit...
i think i keep away from all this mining and just trade BTC's. its more profitable that way
who hit rewind... BFL, CablePair, Avalon have all publicly stated they will use testnet in a box. ASICMINER is the only one I worry about, because it is their intent to mine with them first, and they have stated so all along. It sounds like they might be 2-4 weeks behind BFL though, and Tom is shipping in November/December as well, so the race is on... what is he shipping it,s 23-10-2012 no signs of any WORKING ASIC yet everyone keeps pointing delivery dates as soon as november/december  i just don,t understand how this could be possible...tell me if i missed the actual working device with the custom chip..that will get shipped next week or three from now |
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You did not. It will not be long. The site ran into some small integration problems that is currently being worked on. If anything though, the new thread will be up before Wednesday 10/24/2012 ends. Ok thx for the info, but who are you?? a new Avalon team member cheerzzz |
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Well put! I also need to let you know that you personally had some influence on my entering the bitcoin economy. I too am planning on exiting the matrix Wow, I am honored and shocked that I touched so many lives. well, im a bit scared that UPS will screw up delivery, they are known to just place it in front of the door and leave, i just hope i know when i will get it so i can take a day off work  Thats why I have my order delivered to my office, to eliminate as many possible screw ups as I can. they can still deliver it to the wrong place, happens from time to time. or a friend of mine got his package heavy damaged during transport and UPS didnt want to replace, accodring to them he destroy'd it. all this BS with these stupid companys hiring as cheap as possible human scum to deliver stuff and dont care anymore about quality  yes this is harsh but sadly its a fact. In two or three more years from now the bachelor and master degree people will be standing in line for a cheap ass job like that.. mabye some quality will brought back in.. |
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BFL has shown production boards (though has yet to show that they actually work). They are so far the only company to show a physical product.
Though all three companies, Avalon, btcfpga, and bfl have all had past products in the fpga market so it is reasonable to assume they are not scams (I hope).
This doesn,t say anything about new products witch are 1000x harder to produce and they could abuse the trust build up ..but give them the benefit of the doubt for some 6 weeks or so...the boards they show are no proof at all looks just like some more bait.to me .its up to you if you will bite...i hope they are for real.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33835.0;topicseen |
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If they are, they aren't in the same state where they use their PO Boxes: - Butterfly Labs "Address": PO Box 413671 Kansas City, Missouri 64141-3761 Missouri Business Entities : Result - no Butterfly Labs- btcfpga "Address": P.O. Box 246 Hannibal, NY 13074 New York Business Entities : Result - no BTCFPGA
Have you ask the companies themself how they registerd maybe BFL has another name Registerd orso? Shady it is but online they are trusted by the mass..mmm u can ask Inaba he is always posting en answering question in treads around here. |
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