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401  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox: The ultimate bitcoin mixer/laundry? on: August 06, 2011, 04:11:26 AM
actually

1. use tor
2. bit laundry on tor hidden service
3. everyone sends coins to the laundry
4. laundry sends back 99% of the coins, keeps 1% for fee
5. profit

you only have to trust that the laundry does not keep logs, and does not go out of their way to catch criminals.
402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 06, 2011, 02:15:53 AM
What a pain... I'm glad it finally works
I'll add these instructions for other Win7 users, thanks!

would it be legal to package it all up into an archive and set up all the scripts?
403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 06, 2011, 01:52:03 AM
i got it working, since i was running 64 bit i had to go through like 2 work arounds.

if you run x64
use the 2.7 msi package here http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/Downloads

then go here and grab ez_setup.py

run that shit and go to C:\Python27\Scripts, if you have easy_install.exe your good to go for the next step

download zone.interface here http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/Downloads#Windows

now run easy_install.exe zope.interface-3.6.4-py2.7-win-amd64.egg you need proper paths too of course

if your pywallet.py dont work then, idk what to say
404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 06, 2011, 01:20:17 AM
some more issues, im running windows 7 x64 if that matters

Code:
@echo off
pywallet.py --web
pause

Code:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\****\Desktop\pywallet\pywallet.py", line 22, in <module>
    from twisted.internet import reactor
  File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\reactor.py", line 37, in
<module>
    from twisted.internet import selectreactor
  File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\selectreactor.py", line 1
7, in <module>
    from zope.interface import implements
ImportError: No module named zope.interface
Press any key to continue . . .

i had a derp, on the page is says required, how do i put it in.
405  Economy / Goods / Re: Steam and TF2 goods (Humble Inde Bundle) on: August 06, 2011, 01:09:15 AM
Industrial Festivizer
Bombing Run
Exquisite Rack
Tyrant's Helm

Still have these?

i have all of them
406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 06, 2011, 01:06:57 AM
i cant get the pywallet to run

Code:
@echo off
pywallet.py --datadir="C:\Users\****\Desktop\pywallet\wallet" --web
pause

Code:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\****\Desktop\pywallet\pywallet.py", line 22, in <module>
    from twisted.internet import reactor
ImportError: No module named twisted.internet
Press any key to continue . . .

also i am using 2.7.2 i think
Pywallet needs the twisted python package to work: http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/
Also you don't need to use the datadir flag, everything will be asked in the web interface

should probably slap that in the wiki or readme or somthing.
407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin discussion over Ventrilo? on: August 06, 2011, 12:20:57 AM
i downloaded it now what do i do?
208.100.9.176:8202

connect to that ip
408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin discussion over Ventrilo? on: August 06, 2011, 12:18:02 AM
i'd liek to join the chat room, how do i do this?

you have to download the ventrilo client http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin discussion over Ventrilo? on: August 06, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have personal disregard's to Ventrilo.
I used to be huge in TS2 before they decided to be harder to license (TS3) than Ventrilo.

As far as other solutions to voice (Mohawk, Mubmle [Murmur]), I've had to support them for others.
I just find that Ventrilo gives a nice, solid solution to VoIP.

its "solid" because only big companies are allowed to have any licensing. its the same with osx, they only allow osx on apple branded hardware for the most part.
410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin discussion over Ventrilo? on: August 06, 2011, 12:08:56 AM
I kind of like Ventrilo better.

why, all they do is hold their licensing so only big companies can ever even administer servers for real.

some advantages of mumble are better latency, voice quality, plugins and far superior security.

some disadvantages of mumble are
confusing the first time you use it
looks ugly
sparse updates

pick what you want, i wont be able to change your mind anyway.
411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin discussion over Ventrilo? on: August 06, 2011, 12:02:15 AM
why not keep with the open source thing and use mumble, its arguably better than all of them.
412  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 05, 2011, 11:57:58 PM
i cant get the pywallet to run

Code:
@echo off
pywallet.py --datadir="C:\Users\****\Desktop\pywallet\wallet" --web
pause

Code:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\****\Desktop\pywallet\pywallet.py", line 22, in <module>
    from twisted.internet import reactor
ImportError: No module named twisted.internet
Press any key to continue . . .

also i am using 2.7.2 i think
413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 05, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Sending private keys via browsers? They are the most critical part of bitcoin it's just crazy
MITM attack, browser history, sniffers if not https, etc........

Just use pywallet, it's infinitely safer and its web interface makes it really simple to import a key

Pywallet is not simple for the average joe, as you know.  Arguably, the entire Bitcoin client is hardly simple for the average joe.  Paper wallets and the ability to redeem them on websites - AT THE TIME OF SPENDING - puts secure Bitcoins in the hands of average Joes and eliminates virtually all of the risk associated with hacking and online wallets.

What can be simpler?
My guide clearly states what to do: "run './pywallet.py --web' then open 'http://localhost:8989' in your brower"
Then, wallet directory, wallet filename, version and format are autofilled, average joe just has to fill the key and clicks the button

A private key is not much different from a Mt.Gox Redeemable Code, it's just that it holds real bitcoins that no one can steal.  The holder of the private key is the holder of the coins, not Mt.Gox or anybody else.

When a private key is entered via browser into a website, it becomes instantly used and invalidated.  The correct action for a website that accepts a private key as a deposit method would be to simply send the entire balance to a different address under its control (possibly using a completely separate instance of bitcoind just for this purpose), and wait for confirmations just like any other external inbound transaction.  So even if a private key could be found in "browser history", it wouldn't matter much.  It would have no money on it.
Absolutely, but in that case the key must be deleted from the wallet to avoid sending funds to it again

MITM attack, browser history, sniffers are all moot for websites that properly implement https.  I am unaware of anybody with plans (or the lack of common sense) to implement a web-based private key redemption utility without offering https.
Even with https, the browser history still contains the key. Maybe I wasn't clear though, I don't talk about navigation history, but form history
Moreover, average joe doesn't know and doesn't care what is https

How mature is pywallet? how likely is it that it just looses coins. or should you only import the keys for immediate spending.
414  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 05, 2011, 10:18:42 PM
Cass:  for max security i assume you'd want to only generate keys on a virgin computer thats never been connected to the internet?  how can i be assured that when i want to spend the coins from a certain key pair that the client will accept the private key?  also the pub key i assume has virtually no chance of colliding with another pub key?  how does the blockchain know of the pub key?   by sending coins to it?

i think the public key is a hash of the private key or something, so you can not realistically make a public key you want. the block chain does not need to know the public/private key. the key gets into the chain when coins get sent to it.

so the blockchain accepts any pub key presented to it that has the correctly signed bitcoin format?

you can send coins to a non existent public key if you want. but then nobody will be able to redeem them. collisions can happen, but it is extremely unlikely. and since its a hash, you can not go in reverse.
415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Paper Wallet Generator & Bitcoin Utility for Windows (SOURCE) on: August 05, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
Cass:  for max security i assume you'd want to only generate keys on a virgin computer thats never been connected to the internet?  how can i be assured that when i want to spend the coins from a certain key pair that the client will accept the private key?  also the pub key i assume has virtually no chance of colliding with another pub key?  how does the blockchain know of the pub key?   by sending coins to it?

i think the public key is a hash of the private key or something, so you can not realistically make a public key you want. the block chain does not need to know the public/private key. the key gets into the chain when coins get sent to it.
416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UABB is a... on: August 04, 2011, 07:23:45 AM
i have an idea, lets ignore him and pretend he does not exist. why should we give him acknowledgement if all he does is go around bsing that he can be trusted, yet provides no proof that he can be.
417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin being anonymous is a bad thing. on: August 04, 2011, 07:20:26 AM
the problem is people giving their money to some random person they do not know.*cough* mybitcoin *cough*
418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin IS anonymous on: August 04, 2011, 07:11:14 AM
if you buy a bar of gold, i think it has a serial number on it. so you would be crazy to accept damage gold unless at a good price  Wink
419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show - Episode 033 - MyBitcoin, Contacting FBI, Discuss on Freenode on: August 04, 2011, 06:59:33 AM
Bruce, I'm sure your friends & family will forgive you for your clearly honest intentions.

now i bet he will show them how to hold bitcoins in the most trusted bank account in existence, YOUR bank.
420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to find "Tom Williams" ... on: August 04, 2011, 06:57:52 AM
I'd bet good money you guys are looking at lost funds due to a death here, especially if the bitcoins haven't been moving from the MyBitcoin wallets.

probably looking for someone to buy them not in an exchange.
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