Yeaahh... but you prove my point exactly...

I have not seen anything clear at all, and certainly not from MtGox themleves...

just very weird maybe real maybe fake, take overs and crisis letters and theories, and guesses and maybe they lost x or maybe they lost XXX or maybe they did not lose X but just the keys to X , and maybe the cat has them, and maybe the illuminated ones are going to take over, but we have a strong feeling something was stolen? maybe mislaid, technically speaking I cannot quite put my finger on what may have been lost/stolen/kidnapped/spent/blown out of a zebras ass.

Back to my original point.... Some FACTS about Mt Gox would be nice.

All I have seen for days is guess work as that is all we have.

Hi could you post the text for this by chance?

thanks

U.S. firms are pushing ahead with plans to open bitcoin exchanges catering to professional traders, after the closing of a Tokyo-based exchange sent shock waves through the virtual-currency world.

Perseus Telecom, a provider of high-speed telecommunications lines for securities exchanges and trading firms, is joining forces with bitcoin-trading platform Atlas ATS and Strevus Inc., which produces compliance-management tools for financial institutions and other firms, to build one or more U.S.-based digital-currency exchanges in the U.S. and elsewhere.

The push is being driven by strong demand for bitcoin-trading capabilities from Perseus's clients in the high-frequency trading industry, said Perseus Chief Executive Jock Percy.

The firm has created a separate digital-currency unit and already has received $2 million in revenue commitments, the company said. High-frequency trading firms use computers to dart in and out of markets within milliseconds to profit from minuscule pricing advantages.

The meltdown of the Mt. Gox exchange shows that "we have to put in place the right level of institutional controls and mechanisms that we're used to in the world of banking," Mr. Percy said. "That way we can build trust. [A currency] has to have trust."

The sudden closing of Mt. Gox, which once claimed to account for 80% of bitcoin trading volume, underscored the technological and regulatory risks of the five-year-old digital currency. After freezing customer withdrawals on Feb. 6 and suffering a hacking attack, Mt. Gox said it was working on a fix to restore operations. It appeared to shut down completely Tuesday when its website went dark and investors were left with little recourse to retrieve their frozen funds.

Bitcoin is a virtual, computer-driven currency that is created, or "mined," using complex mathematical algorithms. Some merchants accept bitcoins as payment for goods and services. Users also can trade the currency on exchanges or among themselves. But it isn't regulated and isn't backed by a central bank, so when problems arise there is no one to intervene.

Prices of bitcoin have soared in the past year, attracting interest from some professional traders looking to participate in the market. But the troubles of Mt. Gox have underscored the need for more oversight.

The move by Perseus comes after SecondMarket Inc., a platform for trading shares of private companies, said it is putting together an exchange in collaboration with a number of global banks and bitcoin companies. SecondMarket CEO Barry Silbert said in an interview that the model "looks nothing like" Mt. Gox. Instead, he said, it will be "more like a traditional exchange…like the New York Stock Exchange, where you have regulated investors who form the spokes of a hub" with central clearing and settlement of trades and a self-regulatory body.

The U.S. firms trying to roll out new exchanges argue that by bringing in both the Wall Street establishment and regulators, they can offer customers greater confidence in the security of their money.

Mr. Percy said many high-speed firms have expressed interest in trading bitcoin, which appeals to this sector because of its low transaction costs. Meantime, Mr. Silbert said his firm continued to be approached by banks and other financial institutions despite the continuing turmoil at Mt. Gox this past month.

But Citigroup foreign-exchange strategist Steven Englander, who was initially inspired by interest from Wall Street clients to write a series of research reports on bitcoin late last year, said interest has since waned now that a string of crises has halved the bitcoin price to less than $600 from more than $1,000 in December.

"I would say it is still on the outer fringes of the radar screen," said Mr. Englander, who also argued that more-regulated, institutional bitcoin trading could drive away the more libertarian-minded investors who were drawn to bitcoin's anonymity and exclusion from government intervention.

Regulation could be a controversial part of this process. Most U.S. states require such exchanges to get money-transmitter licenses. The exchanges hope to avoid that. SecondMarket already has a broker-dealer license, which would cover currency trading. Atlas ATS hopes to partner with firms that already have broker-dealer licenses.

It isn't clear how federal regulators will respond to those plans. State banking regulators have been scrutinizing bitcoin companies for months.

"This is by no means a death knell for bitcoin or virtual currencies, but it underscores the potential benefits of regulation," Benjamin Lawsky, superintendent of the New York Department of Financial Services, said of the Mt. Gox shutdown in an interview Tuesday. Mr. Lawsky's office is considering potential new regulations for virtual-currency companies and held two days of public hearings about the issue last month.

Removed it fast? That's a hoax, you are fooling nobody.

That could be a way to move the market.

I was wondering if you would say that...so in a year, or two a currency that does not even exist yet, is going to be created, launched, mined, gain popularity and out-trade Bitcoin in the next 52 to 104 weeks, a coin that literally does not exist now..  interesting thought...

What will it do that will make it able to grow this fast and this well that any coins cannot do at present? and even if it is a great coin, can you explain how you think it will grow the network in such a rapid time?

Hi- just a thought... If Bitcoin has a year or two, then whatever is going to replace it, then it must already be around right now.... so which coin is it? and what does it do that is going to make it out compete Bitcoin in your opinion?

That is the dumbest answer I've seen from you yet.

As much as it annoys me that you keep introducing new reasons of why bitcoin is not for you whenever an argument shows that it is not a black and white answer and bitcoin could have merit I do value that this discussion is taking place with solid arguments.

The potential for getting rich is a reflection of the high risks you are actually pointing out.
Bitcoin could be replaced by some other crypto currency.
All the points you are making are the reasons why bitcoins current value is what it is and why it might be magnitudes more once they are resolved.
Just like you many many people are saying the risk is too high.

in the german forum they say it is a scam, do not open attachment.

I just find it hard to understand why you're so resistant to experiencing this absolute basic first lesson.

Which makes me wonder..... has someone hijacked MtGox? a hacker got everyones details somehow?

Something odd is happening as the "pdf" is not what it says it is ... and also.. send you what the balance ?

If this is MtGox- then wtf?
If this is someone hijacked the system that now has my email, and can send emails out with strange attachments- wtaf?

Basically WTF?