I'm not at all surprised at the trolling behavior of sdc members here it's come to be expected... if you didn't enter the thread by name calling and belittling people without fully understanding what your talking about maybe you would get honest answers  just scroll up a bit and you will see. You can add me to Skype and we can talk technicals away from the little trolls that make it hard to communicate effectively.. I'm sure we can then get on the same page. Just send me a pm.. David and I always on there anyways. If anyone wasn't fully understanding anything it was sebastien1234. I also never entered the thread with "name calling and belittling", I wrote a technical post giving critique on one of the members of your team and the system itself, with a humorous undertone to make it more of a light read.I'll spare you the effort and sum them up again. "sebastien1234 I hope you are either drunk or high on meth when you typed that" "bullshit" "stick to PR" If you can't handle a silly joke and some serious critique towards incompetence, then that's your problem but don't put the blame on me for your own personal issues. Before and after the post I've expressed my respect towards your dedication and efforts, yet somehow all of you seem to stick to your game plan to act like I came in like a wrecking ball screaming and fudding. I'm not defending what any other members have done or said here, but you can't just project those feelings of hatred towards a whole project when in fact it was a single individual. By definition that is discrimination, and it is as bad as being a racist. You are right, you did not start the abrasive comments, Kewde however, did. This was exactly what Sidhujag was referring to, if representatives of your community cannot converse in a civilized manner then I'm afraid your cause is lost. As much as some valid questions he may have had, he completely closed the door to conversation by being insulting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1456464.msg14860563#msg14860563Then as sidhujag mentioned, you highjack the thread by replying to each other and posting the entire ann thread of SDC (which is now removed). My comments were civilized by the standards of Bitcointalk, you were just wrong on so many points that you had nothing to come back with. If you categorize my "funny" comments as insulting than so be it, but I'd rather believe the above^. It still ponders me how you could make such a mischievous statements. My first reaction was that you knew what you were saying was wrong (because it obviously was for anyone with a bit of a technical background), but you don't mind lying to get an advantage by using fallacies. The thread starter explicitly mentioned that he was a newbie, thus I was a bit fueled by rage. I don't know game theory. Can you please elaborate on that? Why would 10% deposits be enough?
Everyone (but mostly companies) have a cash flow, which is the amount of money coming in versus the amount going out. You want to have a positive CF, more flowing in than out. So when you put 10% of money "locked" down that means you can't use it for other purposes like paying bills or buying new stock. Locking 10% makes you lose x% of possible profit. Basically they you have a leverage: for every 10USD you have you can turn it into 11USD in for example a week. Well if you try to scam someone and they lock the funds for anything longer than 10 weeks you are now losing possible profit. You've scammed yourself  Obviously this only works if the other party is adamant enought to not release the funds to safe his own cash flow. It all depends on who has the highest leverage (biggest profit margin) which is obviously the seller. Because thats a great way to enter a thread that's not even about your "coin" and have a flood of other trolls come in at the same time... obviously coordinated. This is why I don't take you are your community serious. You might know what you are doing technically but you have no clue how to deal with other people. Like I said it makes sense, you have the extra time to force hijacking a thread just because you feel like you don't get enough attention. Keep that source close to you, might just leak out.. wouldn't want that its too valuable haha! If you don't want to discuss find with me got code to write. now who is interrupting? their is a discussion happening now, you want to contribute to it or silently observe like i am ? or do you just want to start more trouble? |
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No but i'll happily watch on with enjoyment  enjoy the profits eth to the mooon...yall gunna be rich soon..it's a sure thing..mortgage your house, sell your sister..just for god sake buy some ETH! |
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No one is going to care about smart contracts soon...the world economy is in free fall..BTC is a safe haven like precious metals there are a few other projects that could be used as safe havens like BTC... eth will just die like the rest. eth the future...that joke isn't even funny Bitcoin does something that fiat can't do..that gives it value...what does ETH do that BTC can't...nothing..so whats it worth in reality..not much...now a project that aimed at a niche market that BTC is moving away from could be a success in the future..but anything competing with BTC will fail...BTC can do everything eth can do if it wants...but their are somethings BTC can never do if it wants to become mainstream...thats what other projects are for I'm sure you can guess that project. |
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Do we need ETH? Is it necessary? nope...It's nice to have..It's pretty cool if that floats your boat..but it's not needed, will people care when the shit inevitably hits the fan? nope..
But they will care about things like BTC and other projects that can offer a safe haven from the crumbling world economy or a platform that can protect our privacy from tyrannical government oversight of your every moment of existence.
In the end what is truly important in crypto will be realized and all else will cease to exist...have fun making profit till then but be on the correct lifeboat when It all goes down.
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Is this another one of Bobsurplus' work of art?  What has Bob got to do with this? He has never been involved with the Shadow Project. So who were the people behind it? ryno is the lead developer. sciencemag.org did a piece on bitcoin anonymity a little while ago and they mention who ryno is and what he is trying to achieve. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/why-criminals-cant-hide-behind-bitcoinYes, same developer of cinni coin, and look how that ended up, so bad that he started lying saying he was just hired for blablabla, all the excuses to avoid taking responsability. Yeah, that is him and his backing pump and dump group. Cinni: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.0Lies! |
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no... Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that. But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way. this was my first post in this thread. Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! Yeah... Good point , Dadon. Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at. I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing? You guys getting any closer to finalizing it? Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life! That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform made by the people for the people. silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you. Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! Yeah... Good point , Dadon. Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at. I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing? You guys getting any closer to finalizing it? Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life! That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform made by the people for the people. silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team this was then you interrupting our conversation. SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys thanks. How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives. SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points done make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys thanks. we didn't hijack this thread! all legitimate projects deserve recognition don't they? so tell me please when everything about the sdc project has been not only fair but also extremely productive...why don't we get to be compared also?...shouldn't be a problem since the only legitmate competition to SYS is OB..right? Not gonna get into it on this thread but SDC is off the radar for me after recent events aswell as my experience with their community.. i know others share similar experiences. Lets stick to bay and sys plz last time I ask, otherwise I fail to participate in any healthy debates. Make a new thread. Is whaleshark one of your puppet accounts or did he start the thread if he did.. not your call please hold your silence or shut the fuck up because the discussion is going to happen with or without your motherfucking blessing because this is not your thread and this is the fucking internet not north korea! don't tell me where i can discuss anything! sdc relates to these two projects and the OP was comparing the two projects because obviously he was intending on investing! so he is has the right to learn about other projects that may or may not offer more then the two already discuseed..stop trying to censor me got it! this isn't your thread, this isn't your world..open discussions are aloud, crypto was invented to take power away from people just like YOU who want to control everything to suit their agenda...not going to happen Just for the record my seconf message on this thread was going to be my last i had no intention of attacking any projects personally but i live in a society where if people personally attack you, you don't just accept it and move on. That's how the conversation went if you read back like 2 pages it's clearly evident that i was causing no trouble till he mouthed off and so did you! so welcome #5 also enjoy your stay |
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yeah after you attacked SDC personally i never said anything about whatever coins tech you hold you started this,
i never personally attacked or mentioned any other project but my own untill you started mouthing off..that is clear in the conversations i posted..
you don't own this thread! i am allowed to say something like " sdc market is on the way" like big deal! the other guy in the thread who commented didn't see a big deal with it.your the one who started getting aggressive..sorry if reacted in the way you wanted..that tends to happen when you stir shit and ask for trouble, by me mentioning sdc in a thread not attacking you or anyone one or project..mentioning sdc in a thread you don't.. own on the internet you don't control, does not grant you permission to start personally attacking projects and people and when you do, do that people have the right to do it back to you...
yes this conversation is over and will be the last i have with you..you now also join also my ignore list you are number #4 in almost 3 years here #benthatch #bobsurplus #someotherprick #you
welcome, enjoy your stay
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Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that. But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way. this was my first post in this thread. Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! Yeah... Good point , Dadon. Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at. I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing? You guys getting any closer to finalizing it? Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life! That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform made by the people for the people. silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you. Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time! Yeah... Good point , Dadon. Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at. I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing? You guys getting any closer to finalizing it? Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life! That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform made by the people for the people. silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team this was then you interrupting our conversation. SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys thanks. How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives. conclusion. you cause trouble then claim victim status...more pathetic then manipulative..but manipulative none the less..please stop now..the evidence is clear This is my last post in this tread sorry for hijacking it all but that wasn't my original intention..My intention was to point out there are other projects similar being worked on that don't get the attention they deserve..next time i will open my own thread..too easy too start drama in this very immature crypto community. |
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I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread
Hey I just started reading this thread and it is pretty interesting. Honestly, I think you underestimate how manipulative Bob is. As anyone who knew anything about Bitbay, it was Steven Dai and Linn who approached me. Not Bob. Bob and Gekko only introduced themselves the day before. You can see this because Bob moronically dumped his chat logs on BCT with the txid of the 500 btc he kept. When Bay started BTER was still a respected exchange. This was before their cold wallet hack. I went into the project because of Steven. He promised me Chinese devs, financial support. I figured 5 people working on it made sense. It was not my project. The Halo business model included licensing which obviously now I see as a mistake since that puts my reputation on the line. You live, you learn. I'm not a trader. I'm a coder and I had no clue who Bob surplus was. I've got better things to do than to waste time on forums. His Skype he goes by International Rob. So we only talked on Skype. Not to mention an investor and Gekko had flown out to China to meet Lin. But like I said I had not met Bob until days before. After meeting him I almost backed out cause he gave me the creeps. But Steven promised me it was okay. He said they would help with marketing as neither he or Lin wanted to do that. Since they only wanted me as project manager it made sense at the time. So these guys gave me assurance that they were not going to fuck me over. And i did express concerns. Plus Steven paid a deposit on my work in advance. This is old news, you can read Bitbays Reddit and not to mention the news covered this in my favor I might add. Ian Demartino was the only news that desperately wanted to propagandize me. But he was unable to!! He read all of my chat logs, we spent like 5 hours on the phone and he found no proof that I was anything but a coder. Besides why would I willingly let someone abuse my name and scam me. I'm not anonymous that's the stupidest thing ever. I would have to be masochist or retarded. I assure you I'm neither. What happened to Bitbay was good old fashioned sabotage. And propaganda. Politics, smear campaigns your typical crap that makes the world as fucked as it is. Propaganda is evil hopefully a special place in hell is reserved for those that partake in it. By the way, it wasn't less than a couple weeks of hell before I told everyone what went on. I would consider that pretty fast. It's been more than one year since then and I've been coding ever since. Well I'm sorry about that and If you didn't know that understandable if you were not active here, but when i saw him in the thread alarm bells went off...anyways..the whole reason i commented originaly on this thread was just to give a head up about there is more competition then just sys vs bitbay...but then the project i have supported for over 2 years was personally attacked..and i had a bad day..so i didn't react the way i normally would...my apologies..because i have seen you in our thread and i respect you immensely...so please do accept my apology.. |
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you got all these accusations..im a troll..sdc tech is shit..sdc dev team are scammers...no proof..all can see that...but what happend to the ICO bro?
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I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worked breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it.
Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.
I'm not a troll if im a troll pull out 10x from my chat history where i troll! i have a lot of posts so shouldn't be too hard. |
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There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..
That's why your copy paste code breaks right yup competent devs alright.. you just keep digging further yet you trolls don't stop. Anyways sys essentially had no startup funds and did it just like you claimed sdc did yet actually released something that's working. NO he did i just finished it by exposing the fact that bob was known scammer by everyone here way before bitbay got scammed |
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1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting
1. that's your choice - i wish others shared those sentiments. 2. you seem to care because you keep bringing it up? 3. you need improve on your comprehension ( and spelling). Matter of perspective. it is 'you're disgusting' I'm sorry you feel that way  OK y'all are getting off topic af and need some real info here. SDC was deringed due to a bug in the ring sig implementation which means you did exaggerate things cryptohunter. The code is quite good and many improvements have been made which show that sidjwang also doesn't know what hes talking about. He is a pure troll. Stealth addresses were still intact, noone lost funds as in the new eth hack, no one person was even doxxed. All this happened before the market release so no risk really. It only affected a small portion of the chain. It was all patched in less than a week due to an active and smart community and devs. Dadon cool your jets. DAAAAMN SON quadruple posts... knowwutimean? I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag: Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?
and Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.
Neither of which were addressed or responded to. Yeah your right...but if you want to start throwing accusations around expect them thrown back...sys got there ipo stolen..and bitbay must of knowingly or unwittingly( though i don't know how) associated with a scammer because everyone knew what he was for a long long long time before bitbay... just facts..nothing more nothing less |
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so what was it..stupidity...or deceit?
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maybe i should open a thread about bob and if he was a known scammer before bitbay...and if anyone of the early community remember him being active in development..because i do
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someone come forward and tell me bob surplus was not a known scammer before bitbay and someone come forward and tell me he wasnt openly involved with the project.. i remember..because i almost bought bitbay till i saw bobsurpluses account..
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so if sdc investors got ripped off because we had a bug...does tht mean bitbay investors got ripped off because they invested their money into a project they thought was solid when it was just a pump and dump?...because sdc devs didn't know the bug was there..and bitbay didn't know bob was going to rip them off (rofl) i remember when i saw bob involved with bitbay..openly!..he was a know scammer then...only 2 things explain that stupidity or deceitfulness....everyone knew about bobsurplus when he got involved with bitbay..everyone who was anyone..your dev either knew or was completely too stupid to handle anyone elses hard earned money....we had a bug! big difference
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Now you claim to have no issue with SDC just the devs that you accused of ripping people off...are you mentally stable? serious question..because that was complete bi-polar shit
and btw i was talking fairly civilized too until someone tried to censor me on the internet on a thread he did not start..this is crypto..crypto is full of people like me who actually believe in things like free speach! check my post history see if i troll other coins threads...i don't..i don't need too.
I said I'd heard and it may be a conspiracy theory. Please read the post again. I have explained why an investor could feel scammed even if the bug was a genuine misake. It's a case of perspective. I can't keep repeating myself. If you read all of my posts it will become clear, if not then just assume I have bi-polar, makes no different to me or him. I see it as a weakness that you are not able to discuss the projects in their current form regardless of them being stolen from in the past or having code bugs. It seems you do not feel the sdc project can compete on its current merits alone? or do you? There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..
^^^ Who is this  SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash? Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later. either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system.. Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin. The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case. If you seek to make fair comparison now based on the tech of the projects at this date then fair enough. If you seek go outside of this and add other factors to the comparison then we must do the same. Your usual posting style is not suitable to cordial discussion. Tone it down else get the same in return. |
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1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting
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Now you claim to have no issue with SDC just the devs that you accused of ripping people off...are you mentally stable? serious question..because that was complete bi-polar shit
and btw i was talking fairly civilized too until someone tried to censor me on the internet on a thread he did not start..this is crypto..crypto is full of people like me who actually believe in things like free speach! check my post history see if i troll other coins threads...i don't..i don't need too.
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