No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol
Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are? Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.  When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex. It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now. Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now? Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have. You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god. See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God. |
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Where is the school that teaches telekinesis if it's real? Why do you think scientists would dismiss it if it was real? The applications would be amazing yet we see no applications whatsoever. Where are all the people moving objects with their minds at? Now wait just a minute! What about the scientists who studied the gamma wave spike of the Israeli mentalist? Why would you question the existence of psychics when it was shown by these scholars? Did you find a hole in the methods? Did anyone find a big hole in the experimental methods? Why should there be doubt about the results that have proven TK? Also: Why do you ask so many questions of me? Maybe it should be your own research project. None of these questions are hard to answer, and even if nobody could teach it then you would still have to admit that it was shown to exist (you can see more episodes of Superhumans for other examples of "gifted people"), I say that these questions are not hard to answer because I gave many varied sources already in my posts. If you want to know of a good psychic development course then I could give you my opinion in PM. A good place to start reading about some evidence from an academic perspective is the book Irreducible Mind. Because if superpowers like those really existed everyone would know about them. Is not like scientists are purposely hiding it from people, it's just that it doesn't exist. |
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The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
This is exactly the point. God made Jesus salvation to help his children. God's anger begins with frustration, and ends with departure. Why is God frustrated? Because He made the way out for Astargath, and Astargath simply won't accept. Astargath: Me wanna do it my way. Why God not let me do it my way? Sure, God made it all and owns it all, but God bad because He not let me do it my way. Things work the way they work. Be glad God made a way out for you, and accept it. He would have made them smarter to not commit sin in the first place (And why did he even test them in the first place if he already knew they would fail, like why tell them not to eat from that tree when he already knew). As I said, god is either stupid or doesn't exist (the second option seems the best). A god cannot be frustrated or angry or really have any other emotion. A god would not have emotions because that would also make no sense. How can you be frustrated when you can literally change and do anything? Do you not see that? What can you be angry about if you already know everything? |
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No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol
Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are? Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made. When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex. It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now. Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now? Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have. You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god. |
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The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
As for why God does not prevent suffering we must first understand the purpose of Creation. The purpose of the Creationhttp://www.azamra.org/Heal/Resources/Torahview.htmTo understand the meaning and purpose of suffering, we must first go back to the very purpose of the Creation and the meaning of our life in this world.
God's purpose in creation was to bestow of His good to another. Since God desired to bestow good, a partial good would not be sufficient. The good that He bestows would have to be the ultimate good that His handiwork could accept. True good exists only in God. His wisdom therefore decreed that the nature of this true benefaction be His giving created things the opportunity to attach themselves to Him to the greatest degree possible for them.
God's wisdom, however, decreed that for such good to be perfect, the one enjoying it must be its master. He must be one who has earned it for himself, and not one associated with it accidentally and without reason.
God therefore arranged and decreed the creation of concepts of both perfection and deficiency, as well as a creature with equal access to both namely, Man. This creature would then be given the means to earn perfection and avoid deficiency.
Man must earn this perfection, however, through his own free will and desire. If he were compelled to choose perfection, then he would not actually be its master, and God's purpose would not be fulfilled. It was therefore necessary that man be created with free will.
Man's inclinations are therefore balanced between good and evil, and he is not compelled toward either of them. He has the power of choice, and is able to choose either side, knowingly and willingly, as well as to possess whichever one he wishes. Man was therefore created with both a Good Urge and an Evil Urge. He has the power to incline himself in whichever direction he desires.
Perhaps God helps us much more than is commonly realized. Delinquent children often fail to appreciate the efforts of their concerned parents behind the scenes until much later in life. If one looks at the world of 1500 BC it was a dark place full of mysticism and brutality. We thought trees were magical, rocks harbored evil spirits, and volcanoes demanded living sacrifices. A smarter species might have come to understand God without needing to be hit over the head by his reality. Miracles in the Bible and the need for the simplest basic behavior to be written out for us on a slab of stone tells us that humans needed a great deal of outside help. Perhaps the entire nation of Israel was created to be just the kind of help you think is missing. When Israel chose to nearly destroy itself in futile rebellions against Rome instead of spreading the message of God to a declining empire desperate for spiritual truth perhaps Christianity was even more help for a slow species not really able to figure things out without a few nudges in the right direction. I'm not talking about suffering. I'm talking about how he made adam and eve knowing they will sin or disobey him and then he punishes them for it. It was already built in by him therefore it makes no sense that he would punish them if he made them to do it. Again nonsensical. No, that's not what you are talking about. Rather, you are simply trying to make God look bad, and justify yourself some by doing so. What did God really what when He made people? Here is what He wanted. He wanted people who would honor Him, praise Him, and be his children. The only way to get that is to make them, knowing that they would have to be punished at times. Now that you understand this, why are you remaining as and object of future punishment? Why are you not doing - as so many other people have - stepping out from under the punishment into the gifts of joy and glory that God made you for? It's your choice, you know. Me wanna do it my way. God make me this way and that. But me gonna ignore God, and do it my way. Me know God gonna punish me for it. But me wanna do it my way. So, me gonna ignore God's plan of salvation for me and do it my way and get punishment.Do you want to hurt yourself? Nobody can stop you. You can even kill yourself. Just remember, it's you who are doing it to yourself. God wanted children. He knew they were going to mess up, and He would have to punish them for it. So He made the only way out for them that is possible to make. Some of them stopped messing up, and are going to miss the punishment - except for a moment in this life. Keep it up. Mess up really good so you get the punishment forever. Or stop messing up and accept Jesus salvation, thereby accepting God as your Parent, and be saved. Then why make them in the first place? If you already know they are going to mess up. He made humans essentially just to torture them because he already knew most of them would mess up. There is also no point in waiting for god to comeback. What is he even waiting for if he already knows who is going to accept him or not, again makes no sense. |
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Where is the school that teaches telekinesis if it's real? Why do you think scientists would dismiss it if it was real? The applications would be amazing yet we see no applications whatsoever. Where are all the people moving objects with their minds at? |
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The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
As for why God does not prevent suffering we must first understand the purpose of Creation. The purpose of the Creationhttp://www.azamra.org/Heal/Resources/Torahview.htmTo understand the meaning and purpose of suffering, we must first go back to the very purpose of the Creation and the meaning of our life in this world.
God's purpose in creation was to bestow of His good to another. Since God desired to bestow good, a partial good would not be sufficient. The good that He bestows would have to be the ultimate good that His handiwork could accept. True good exists only in God. His wisdom therefore decreed that the nature of this true benefaction be His giving created things the opportunity to attach themselves to Him to the greatest degree possible for them.
God's wisdom, however, decreed that for such good to be perfect, the one enjoying it must be its master. He must be one who has earned it for himself, and not one associated with it accidentally and without reason.
God therefore arranged and decreed the creation of concepts of both perfection and deficiency, as well as a creature with equal access to both namely, Man. This creature would then be given the means to earn perfection and avoid deficiency.
Man must earn this perfection, however, through his own free will and desire. If he were compelled to choose perfection, then he would not actually be its master, and God's purpose would not be fulfilled. It was therefore necessary that man be created with free will.
Man's inclinations are therefore balanced between good and evil, and he is not compelled toward either of them. He has the power of choice, and is able to choose either side, knowingly and willingly, as well as to possess whichever one he wishes. Man was therefore created with both a Good Urge and an Evil Urge. He has the power to incline himself in whichever direction he desires.
Perhaps God helps us much more than is commonly realized. Delinquent children often fail to appreciate the efforts of their concerned parents behind the scenes until much later in life. If one looks at the world of 1500 BC it was a dark place full of mysticism and brutality. We thought trees were magical, rocks harbored evil spirits, and volcanoes demanded living sacrifices. A smarter species might have come to understand God without needing to be hit over the head by his reality. Miracles in the Bible and the need for the simplest basic behavior to be written out for us on a slab of stone tells us that humans needed a great deal of outside help. Perhaps the entire nation of Israel was created to be just the kind of help you think is missing. When Israel chose to nearly destroy itself in futile rebellions against Rome instead of spreading the message of God to a declining empire desperate for spiritual truth perhaps Christianity was even more help for a slow species not really able to figure things out without a few nudges in the right direction. I'm not talking about suffering. I'm talking about how he made adam and eve knowing they will sin or disobey him and then he punishes them for it. It was already built in by him therefore it makes no sense that he would punish them if he made them to do it. Again nonsensical. |
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So far sciences suggests that there is basically nothing after death. Your brain just stops working and that's about it. Everything else is just stupid belief.
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You are defending a lost cause. God gave them orders on how to enslave people. That's not a moral god. God also commanded to kill someone because he was working on the Sabbath, that's not a moral and logical god, that's a barbaric god and just shows the mentality of the people who wrote the book.
You simply have your religion. Since you are unwilling to look at what the Bible says in its entirety, you have made a different kind of religion for yourself. You will come to find out how majestic God is. I hope it is before your death, in ways that cause you to turn and accept Him. Because it won't be fun for you if you find out after your death. The bible has literally pages of god commanding to kill people, what do you mean to look at its entirety? If it's truly the book of a god, you would expect it to have no mistakes. Or that people won't be able to misinterpret it. You see, all that matters to god is for me to accept that he exists, he doesn't care whether I am a good person or not, it just shows how stupid he is lol Before mankind sinned, there was no death. Mankind used his free will to bring on death. Then mankind went on to use his free will to do all kinds of things that would further death. If someone murders your daughter, you might have mercy on him, and not pronounce the death penalty on him. But if he is not in the least repentant, and doesn't care that he murdered your daughter, but goes out and kills your other daughter, just for the fun of it, and would go and kill many others any time he had the chance, are you still going to let him live? Doesn't justice require execution for the murderer? Especially if the guy is an unrepentant homicidal maniac who enjoys killing? That is the thing God is judging when he puts nations and people to death. It isn't the simple act of direct murder that He is judging. Rather, it is the activities of sin-without-repentance that He is judging. Sin without repentance is the intentionally bringing of death, just like the first sin brought death. God's judgment is accurate, as is His mercy towards many people who He gives a long time, and much more chance to repent... like you. Like as nations often exercise the death penalty... for justice to be done... so God does the same. He is even more accurate in the justice. And, He is owner of all things. Don't tell Him what He can and can't do with His property. Rather, be glad that He gives you a time of joy for a while, so that you can repent, so that you will not be destroyed like others that God righteously executed. ''Before mankind sinned,'' God already knew that was going to happen, therefore there is no point in punishing humans for it. Sure, God suspected that it was going to happen (sin). But that wasn't His wish or goal. Rather, He was looking for people who had the free will to sin, but wouldn't use it for sinning. He was looking for a noble people. So, what did God do? He put Jesus salvation into the mix. This made a way for people to avoid the punishment if they didn't want it. You can find many examples of choices that you have in life, where one choice hurts, and the other gives enjoyment... and you know it ahead of time. It isn't God's fault if you choose punishment. But if you do choose punishment, He is angry enough at you for doing so, that He will give you what you ask for with a passion. Why would God be angry with you for choosing punishment? Because that isn't what He made you for. So, if jumping into punishment is what you are willingly doing, especially in the face of the fact that God had to bend way over backward to provide salvation for you, and in the face of the fact that you know it, good riddance of you. You have dishonored Him for the last time. EDIT: BTW, if yo think that you are going to accept Jesus salvation, just so that you can stick around forever and be a thorn in God's side, forget it. Part of accepting Jesus salvation is being an favor of God. You can't trick Him. Either you do it His way, or bye-bye. I don't know if you understand but god already knows everything. It says it in your bible. If he knew people would sin, why create people in the first place? Why get angry when something that you know will happen, happens. Don't you understand the logic here? Is not like he suspected it, he already knew. The whole thing makes no sense. I don't think you understand that just because you know something, doesn't mean that you are not angry about it. If you knew your house was going to burn down tomorrow, you might even become more angry knowing about it ahead of time, especially if you knew that you couldn't do anything about it until after it burned. You are way too simplistic in your thinking. God gave people reasoning ability, similar in some ways that God is. You knew that your kids were going to mess up their lives at times, long before you and your missus got together. You still have the kids. You still get angry when they mess up. Are you really trying to prove yourself an idiot by asking questions like these? The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense. If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense. |
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You are defending a lost cause. God gave them orders on how to enslave people. That's not a moral god. God also commanded to kill someone because he was working on the Sabbath, that's not a moral and logical god, that's a barbaric god and just shows the mentality of the people who wrote the book.
You simply have your religion. Since you are unwilling to look at what the Bible says in its entirety, you have made a different kind of religion for yourself. You will come to find out how majestic God is. I hope it is before your death, in ways that cause you to turn and accept Him. Because it won't be fun for you if you find out after your death. The bible has literally pages of god commanding to kill people, what do you mean to look at its entirety? If it's truly the book of a god, you would expect it to have no mistakes. Or that people won't be able to misinterpret it. You see, all that matters to god is for me to accept that he exists, he doesn't care whether I am a good person or not, it just shows how stupid he is lol Before mankind sinned, there was no death. Mankind used his free will to bring on death. Then mankind went on to use his free will to do all kinds of things that would further death. If someone murders your daughter, you might have mercy on him, and not pronounce the death penalty on him. But if he is not in the least repentant, and doesn't care that he murdered your daughter, but goes out and kills your other daughter, just for the fun of it, and would go and kill many others any time he had the chance, are you still going to let him live? Doesn't justice require execution for the murderer? Especially if the guy is an unrepentant homicidal maniac who enjoys killing? That is the thing God is judging when he puts nations and people to death. It isn't the simple act of direct murder that He is judging. Rather, it is the activities of sin-without-repentance that He is judging. Sin without repentance is the intentionally bringing of death, just like the first sin brought death. God's judgment is accurate, as is His mercy towards many people who He gives a long time, and much more chance to repent... like you. Like as nations often exercise the death penalty... for justice to be done... so God does the same. He is even more accurate in the justice. And, He is owner of all things. Don't tell Him what He can and can't do with His property. Rather, be glad that He gives you a time of joy for a while, so that you can repent, so that you will not be destroyed like others that God righteously executed. ''Before mankind sinned,'' God already knew that was going to happen, therefore there is no point in punishing humans for it. Sure, God suspected that it was going to happen (sin). But that wasn't His wish or goal. Rather, He was looking for people who had the free will to sin, but wouldn't use it for sinning. He was looking for a noble people. So, what did God do? He put Jesus salvation into the mix. This made a way for people to avoid the punishment if they didn't want it. You can find many examples of choices that you have in life, where one choice hurts, and the other gives enjoyment... and you know it ahead of time. It isn't God's fault if you choose punishment. But if you do choose punishment, He is angry enough at you for doing so, that He will give you what you ask for with a passion. Why would God be angry with you for choosing punishment? Because that isn't what He made you for. So, if jumping into punishment is what you are willingly doing, especially in the face of the fact that God had to bend way over backward to provide salvation for you, and in the face of the fact that you know it, good riddance of you. You have dishonored Him for the last time. EDIT: BTW, if yo think that you are going to accept Jesus salvation, just so that you can stick around forever and be a thorn in God's side, forget it. Part of accepting Jesus salvation is being an favor of God. You can't trick Him. Either you do it His way, or bye-bye. I don't know if you understand but god already knows everything. It says it in your bible. If he knew people would sin, why create people in the first place? Why get angry when something that you know will happen, happens. Don't you understand the logic here? Is not like he suspected it, he already knew. The whole thing makes no sense. |
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No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol
Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are? Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made. When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex. It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now. |
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You are defending a lost cause. God gave them orders on how to enslave people. That's not a moral god. God also commanded to kill someone because he was working on the Sabbath, that's not a moral and logical god, that's a barbaric god and just shows the mentality of the people who wrote the book.
You simply have your religion. Since you are unwilling to look at what the Bible says in its entirety, you have made a different kind of religion for yourself. You will come to find out how majestic God is. I hope it is before your death, in ways that cause you to turn and accept Him. Because it won't be fun for you if you find out after your death. The bible has literally pages of god commanding to kill people, what do you mean to look at its entirety? If it's truly the book of a god, you would expect it to have no mistakes. Or that people won't be able to misinterpret it. You see, all that matters to god is for me to accept that he exists, he doesn't care whether I am a good person or not, it just shows how stupid he is lol Before mankind sinned, there was no death. Mankind used his free will to bring on death. Then mankind went on to use his free will to do all kinds of things that would further death. If someone murders your daughter, you might have mercy on him, and not pronounce the death penalty on him. But if he is not in the least repentant, and doesn't care that he murdered your daughter, but goes out and kills your other daughter, just for the fun of it, and would go and kill many others any time he had the chance, are you still going to let him live? Doesn't justice require execution for the murderer? Especially if the guy is an unrepentant homicidal maniac who enjoys killing? That is the thing God is judging when he puts nations and people to death. It isn't the simple act of direct murder that He is judging. Rather, it is the activities of sin-without-repentance that He is judging. Sin without repentance is the intentionally bringing of death, just like the first sin brought death. God's judgment is accurate, as is His mercy towards many people who He gives a long time, and much more chance to repent... like you. Like as nations often exercise the death penalty... for justice to be done... so God does the same. He is even more accurate in the justice. And, He is owner of all things. Don't tell Him what He can and can't do with His property. Rather, be glad that He gives you a time of joy for a while, so that you can repent, so that you will not be destroyed like others that God righteously executed. ''Before mankind sinned,'' God already knew that was going to happen, therefore there is no point in punishing humans for it. |
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The biggest problem with the god from the bible is that you need to believe in him to go to heaven. It seems to me that believing in him is all that matters. Im using my brain, logic and the tools god supposedly gave me to find the truth and after studying the bible my conclusions are that he does not exist. Now because of that I'm going to hell. So I'm going to hell because I used the logic god gave me? You realize how that does not make any sense. I can't force myself to believe in him. Why am i going to hell for that. I'm trying to be a good person but it's meaningless if you dont believe in god. You see how it doesn't make any sense.
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In the bible it says clearly that god has failed. That's why the flood happened because he failed. A god cannot fail yet it says he failed, it shows again, the stupidity of people who wrote the book.
It does not say God has failed it does however repeatedly discuss the failures of mankind. Did G-d change His mind with the Flood?http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/756601/jewish/Did-G-d-change-His-mind-with-the-Flood.htmQuestion:
The following text from just before the flood seems to imply that G‑d did something wrong, was sorry for it, and surprised by its happening:
"And the L-rd repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart. And the L-rd said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, and the creeping thing and the fowls of the air, for I repent that I have made them."
How could that be when He knows the end before the beginning?
Answer:
Here's what the ancient Midrash has to say on these verses:
A heretic asked R. Joshua ben Korchah: "Don't you Jews say that G‑d knows the future?"
Rabbi Joshua answered, "Yes."
"Why then," continued the heretic, "is it written that 'grieved Him in His heart'?"
Responded R. Joshua, "Was a son ever born to you?"
"Yes," said the heretic.
"What did you do?"
"I rejoiced."
"But didn't you know that one day he will die?"
Replied the man, "One rejoices when it is a time for rejoicing, and one mourns when it is a time for mourning."
Said R. Joshua, "So it is with G‑d."
Rashi, the classic commentator, cites this Midrash and adds a few words to explain further. He adds, "Although it was known to Him that they will sin and be destroyed, He nevertheless created them for the sake of the righteous who will descend from them."
Meaning that G‑d created humankind because He wanted righteous human beings. So when He created them, He rejoiced. He knew there would be wicked people, for there cannot be righteousness without wickedness, good without bad. But now was a time to rejoice. Later, when the wicked would arise, that would be the time to mourn.
If you wish to go a little deeper, ponder this: Is G‑d involved in His creation, or does He stand beyond it? On the one hand, to be the Creator of all that exists out of nothing, He must be entirely beyond all the creation contains. On the other hand, He must be here right now in every event that occurs.
So we say that He is both—in the language of Chassidut, He is within all things and yet encompasses them all at once. To be G‑d, He must, so to speak, be of two minds at once:
He must see things from beyond and from within at the same time.
This is what Rabbi Joshua was explaining to the heretic: On the one hand, G‑d knows all before it happens. He is beyond it all and nothing affects Him. At the same time, He involves Himself within every event of the story as it happens. He is there intimately, within the sorrow and within the joy, within the pain and within the beauty that comes out from that pain. Both modalities are true at once and in both together is He found.
I wrote something on this topic in an article called Playing G‑d, but let me know if this helps answer your question.
Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
And isn't mankind made by god? Do you not realize that if humans fail it's because god made it that way? He already knew what would happen when he made humans, therefore it makes no sense to punish them or get angry. I mean if he already knows why make something that you know it's going to be flawed and then get angry about it, it makes no sense. Again showing how little, the people who wrote the book, understood about logic. |
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The bible has literally pages of god commanding to kill people, what do you mean to look at its entirety? If it's truly the book of a god, you would expect it to have no mistakes. Or that people won't be able to misinterpret it.
You see, all that matters to god is for me to accept that he exists, he doesn't care whether I am a good person or not, it just shows how stupid he is lol
God does not make mistakes but humans do. You don't have to believe that the Bible is entirely free of mistakes. We know from the Dead Sea Scrolls that there is approximately a 95% word-for-word identity for documents copied 1,000 years apart. Considering the number of generations and the technology of the time this is amazing but 95% is not 100% so it is possible that some error has entered not to mention translator biases when going from the original language to multiple others. See: The Greatest Archaeological Find of the 20th Century https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/is-the-bible-true/proof-2-dead-sea-scrolls/Given the high rate of fidelity we can, however, be confident the core message is intact. No matter how clear a text is people will always misinterpret it. This is an inevitability of human nature. In the bible it says clearly that god has failed. That's why the flood happened because he failed. A god cannot fail yet it says he failed, it shows again, the stupidity of people who wrote the book. |
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You are defending a lost cause. God gave them orders on how to enslave people. That's not a moral god. God also commanded to kill someone because he was working on the Sabbath, that's not a moral and logical god, that's a barbaric god and just shows the mentality of the people who wrote the book.
You simply have your religion. Since you are unwilling to look at what the Bible says in its entirety, you have made a different kind of religion for yourself. You will come to find out how majestic God is. I hope it is before your death, in ways that cause you to turn and accept Him. Because it won't be fun for you if you find out after your death. The bible has literally pages of god commanding to kill people, what do you mean to look at its entirety? If it's truly the book of a god, you would expect it to have no mistakes. Or that people won't be able to misinterpret it. You see, all that matters to god is for me to accept that he exists, he doesn't care whether I am a good person or not, it just shows how stupid he is lol |
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It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit. |
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All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.
What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true. No, they didn't. |
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I took what out of what context? Speak to me, explain, come up with arguments, enough with the links already. If you are not able to speak to me and you always need to give me links with what others think that us 'skeptics' are wrong about, then you do not understand anything of it. More than that, I can't understand what you are talking about because you solely posted a link. If you want to answer to what I have said, talk about that, you have it there, you can analyze it and tell me what do you believe is wrong and why. In that way, we can have a proper conversation. Otherwise it will be the same as it is with Badecker, everyone trying to have a conversation and a monkey saying anything that crosses his mind. Let's keep this simple and efficient. The extraordinary evidence (in favor of parapsychology and survival) has already been provided. I also linked to some examples where this evidence was deliberately ignored by skeptics. Since that information is in the link above, I am including it in our conversation by way of reference; surely you have the ability to read through an essay on the topic of skeptical misdirection because it clearly relates to our discussion about parapsychology. Psychics and telekinesis were tested by the CIA and other spy agencies and on camera by psychologists. I have posted a lot of other extraordinary evidence, yet skeptics insist there is no reliable evidence. Why keep up the charade? Skeptics should just come out and say what is so unreliable about the tests done to prove telekinesis. Sources: On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/Skeptics in this thread consistently ignore the evidence I posted and it demonstrates that they are not here to learn, instead they like to argue and pat themselves on the back. Ha! welcome back my friend! great episode as always. thread was starting look to to like the Astergath smackdown of BADecker (no contest) with a sprinkling of parapsychology nonsense. sorry qwik, but telekinesis not even worth discussing, akin to debating a flat earthHow can you say it is not even worth discussing when I have just posted 2 very serious scientific experiments? You do not even have an answer. Prove to me that you are rational and address this. The pseudo-skeptics went full retard again and actually admitted to being pseudo-skeptics, because according to the skeptic above, there isn't anything else besides scientism! To be more specific, because he has no answer to what was the cause of the experimental results, he believed in scientism because he learned about it in his youth. Why is it that atheists in this thread all deny experiments that prove telekinesis but never explain what is wrong with these trials? First of all, they are not very serious, they are mildly serious and unsolved. There is no conclusion after two experiments and that's they way things work. Phenomenons that claim to suspend the way our reality works need greater observation, experimentation and theory than the laws of science that we understand. It's not even close to conclude anything so we can talk about it but we will never reach a common point which shall make the discussion in vain. Not having an answer yet to some questions or results of experiments does not conclude that it must be paranormal. Some things need a greater time of research, some things may be faux, some we may never find out. Also, science is not an -ism, the only idiots calling it that are the ones that try to find different answers for questions we already have answered. Science is not a system of belief, it works, you are posting now with the help of scientific research in the domain of technology, so for once, please, cut the crap off and pay a bit of respect to the ones who have dedicated their lives into researching something that actually helps you at the moment, you mindless prick. Thank you for your consideration, if there is any. I considered your post but the fact remains that psychics have undergone rigorous testing by psychologists and by the CIA, and I have sourced that claim for you, so therefore to call these tests "mildly serious" would be a colossal error. Nor are these experiments "unsolved" because the conclusion is straightforward and is already suggested by a variety of other phenomena. You did not try to explain these results, your model does not account for all of the evidence, indicating that it is a rather weak model of reality. Survival can explain these results, you should read more about it: Survival is a theoretical model designed to describe observed phenomena and results of considerable study by many researchers. Even though metaphysics has been around for centuries, this current view is based at least in part on research enabled by the introduction of instrumental forms of transcommunication (communication across the veil). http://ethericstudies.org/trans-survival-hypothesis/Will you ever explain what specifically is unscientific about these trials? The methods seem quite sound to me, and the astonishing results should be explained. Why do you believe in this shit and what have you gained by it? Have you ever been able to apply any of what you claim to the real world? Wake up. |
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No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol
Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are? Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made. When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex. |
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