Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

[Astargath]

Actually you took this out of context, horace. Skeptics use often use a double standard, that is their fallacy:

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_double_standard

The other common tactic is known as Misrepresenting The Scientific Evidence.

I took what out of what context? Speak to me, explain, come up with arguments, enough with the links already. If you are not able to speak to me and you always need to give me links with what others think that us 'skeptics' are wrong about, then you do not understand anything of it. More than that, I can't understand what you are talking about because you solely posted a link. If you want to answer to what I have said, talk about that, you have it there, you can analyze it and tell me what do you believe is wrong and why. In that way, we can have a proper conversation. Otherwise it will be the same as it is with Badecker, everyone trying to have a conversation and a monkey saying anything that crosses his mind. Let's keep this simple and efficient.

The extraordinary evidence (in favor of parapsychology and survival) has already been provided. I also linked to some examples where this evidence was deliberately ignored by skeptics. Since that information is in the link above, I am including it in our conversation by way of reference; surely you have the ability to read through an essay on the topic of skeptical misdirection because it clearly relates to our discussion about parapsychology.

Psychics and telekinesis were tested by the CIA and other spy agencies and on camera by psychologists.

I have posted a lot of other extraordinary evidence, yet skeptics insist there is no reliable evidence. Why keep up the charade? Skeptics should just come out and say what is so unreliable about the tests done to prove telekinesis.

Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

Skeptics in this thread consistently ignore the evidence I posted and it demonstrates that they are not here to learn, instead they like to argue and pat themselves on the back.

Ha!  welcome back my friend!  great episode as always.
thread was starting look to to like the Astergath smackdown of BADecker (no contest)
with a sprinkling of parapsychology nonsense.
 sorry qwik,  but telekinesis not even worth discussing, akin to debating a flat earth

How can you say it is not even worth discussing when I have just posted 2 very serious scientific experiments? You do not even have an answer. Prove to me that you are rational and address this.

The pseudo-skeptics went full retard again and actually admitted to being pseudo-skeptics, because according to the skeptic above, there isn't anything else besides scientism! To be more specific, because he has no answer to what was the cause of the experimental results, he believed in scientism because he learned about it in his youth.

Why is it that atheists in this thread all deny experiments that prove telekinesis but never explain what is  wrong with these trials?

First of all, they are not very serious, they are mildly serious and unsolved. There is no conclusion after two experiments and that's they way things work. Phenomenons that claim to suspend the way our reality works need greater observation, experimentation and theory than the laws of science that we understand. It's not even close to conclude anything so we can talk about it but we will never reach a common point which shall make the discussion in vain. Not having an answer yet to some questions or results of experiments does not conclude that it must be paranormal. Some things need a greater time of research, some things may be faux, some we may never find out. Also, science is not an -ism, the only idiots calling it that are the ones that try to find different answers for questions we already have answered. Science is not a system of belief, it works, you are posting now with the help of scientific research in the domain of technology, so for once, please, cut the crap off and pay a bit of respect to the ones who have dedicated their lives into researching something that actually helps you at the moment, you mindless prick. Thank you for your consideration, if there is any.

I considered your post but the fact remains that psychics have undergone rigorous testing by psychologists and by the CIA, and I have sourced that claim for you, so therefore to call these tests "mildly serious" would be a colossal error. Nor are these experiments "unsolved" because the conclusion is straightforward and is already suggested by a variety of other phenomena.

You did not try to explain these results, your model does not account for all of the evidence, indicating that it is a rather weak model of reality. Survival can explain these results, you should read more about it:
 Survival is a theoretical model designed to describe observed phenomena and results of considerable study by many researchers. Even though metaphysics has been around for centuries, this current view is based at least in part on research enabled by the introduction of instrumental forms of transcommunication (communication across the veil).
http://ethericstudies.org/trans-survival-hypothesis/

Will you ever explain what specifically is unscientific about these trials? The methods seem quite sound to me, and the astonishing results should be explained.

Why do you believe in this shit and what have you gained by it? Have you ever been able to apply any of what you claim to the real world? Wake up.

[izza123]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

[notbatman]

If Earth looks something like the following then questioning the existence of a creator is a ridiculous proposition.


Flat Earth Model

[qwik2learn]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

[Astargath]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

No, they didn't.

[qwik2learn]

Episode 24 - 'The Second Law of Thermoretardis'
At the moment, the complexity of Badecker's stupidity can be properly measured, since there are less probabilities of stupid shit he might spew out. But among all, there is one thing he kept repeating: cause and effect, entropy combined with complexity, etc. We never understood what the actual fuck is he talking about because he would never explain anything, but now he did. And as expected, the fail is greater than ever. Badecker has no idea what entropy is, what complexity refers to. What I believe he meant to say is that the second law of thermodynamics requires that the total entropy of a system can not decrease other by increasing the entropy of another system. The entropy of our system increases, due to the irreversible processes along the time. That is the arrow of entropy. The complexity of a system does not define intelligence, will, power or knowledge. It only refers to the number of microstates available in a system, the more microstates, the harder to understand and predict the system and its state. That is something that happens with our system because of the increase in entropy. The second law of thermodynamics along with entropy are fields that require lots of knowledge, observation, dedication, intelligence, etc. The superficial way in which our idiot Badecker talks about them shows how much he knows about physics in general. The shit he stated earlier is the proof: he is affected by the Second Law of Thermoretardis, where the entropy of his stupidity is decreasing because of his cold brain. His heat of stupidity is flowing to the cold brain, thus decreasing its entropy while increasing his brain's entropy. See you next time, after our retard decides to share some more retarded facts. Much love!

The Second Law of Thermoretardis ...lmfao!  frikkin epic episode  dude! thanx

I considered your post but the fact remains that psychics have undergone rigorous testing by psychologists and by the CIA, and I have sourced that claim for you, so therefore to call these tests "mildly serious" would be a colossal error. Nor are these experiments "unsolved" because the conclusion is straightforward and is already suggested by a variety of other phenomena.

You did not try to explain these results, your model does not account for all of the evidence, indicating that it is a rather weak model of reality. Survival can explain these results, you should read more about it:
 Survival is a theoretical model designed to describe observed phenomena and results of considerable study by many researchers. Even though metaphysics has been around for centuries, this current view is based at least in part on research enabled by the introduction of instrumental forms of transcommunication (communication across the veil).
http://ethericstudies.org/trans-survival-hypothesis/

Will you ever explain what specifically is unscientific about these trials? The methods seem quite sound to me, and the astonishing results should be explained.

good lord!! what kind of retarded pseudo-science bullshit nonsense are you reading anyway?  try googling James Randi just for starters.
Paranormal ESP  garbage or whatever it's called these days has all long since been debunked and its not even discussed anymore in the real scientific community .
But hey... go visit the bigfoot, alien kidnapping, ufo , talking to the dead etc, etc websites. they will welcome you with open arms!!

The Scientific community is not addressing the evidence even though it is real science. The experiments were conducted by open means of video recording and secret means of the CIA. This means that there are two documented instances of apparent telekinesis, if we are to believe the documents released by the US CIA.

[qwik2learn]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

No, they didn't.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

[Horacewoodwood]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

No, they didn't.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke. Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis, time travel, psychics and other crazy things. They stopped funding those research a long time ago, there is also a movie mocking these 'secret' fails, it's called 'The men who stare at goats' and it is based on real facts. Those idiots really tried to kill goats by staring at them. As for psychologists, I think they may study it in their field, but there is absolutely no conclusion they can reach without the help of other fields like physics, neuroscience, biology, chemistry. I did not doubt the 'experiments', although there are holes in them. However, stating telekinesis exists, thus the soul exists and survives death based on those mildly serious (yes, they are mildly serious, i am starting to believe you fail to understand what scientific research means and how complicated it is) experiments is ridiculous.

[qwik2learn]

All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

No, they didn't.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke. Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis, time travel, psychics and other crazy things. They stopped funding those research a long time ago, there is also a movie mocking these 'secret' fails, it's called 'The men who stare at goats' and it is based on real facts. Those idiots really tried to kill goats by staring at them. As for psychologists, I think they may study it in their field, but there is absolutely no conclusion they can reach without the help of other fields like physics, neuroscience, biology, chemistry. I did not doubt the 'experiments', although there are holes in them. However, stating telekinesis exists, thus the soul exists and survives death based on those mildly serious (yes, they are mildly serious, i am starting to believe you fail to understand what scientific research means and how complicated it is) experiments is ridiculous.

What are the holes in the two experiments I presented? Do those holes plausibly rule out telekinesis? I claim that they do not and that the rigorous tests of the CIA and the camera are proof of telekinesis. I advanced this discussion by showing the experiments, but you did not mention any holes.

[qwik2learn]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

[Astargath]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

[BADecker]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

Not necessarily true. The world is quite large. Even with today's communications abilities, there might be loads of people who never find out about it and become cured.

There are others who would not believe the cure, and still others who are simply stubborn. I mean, I show you the cure for death through faith in Jesus salvation, but you don't believe it, and you are stubborn. Why not other people with the cure for cancer?

If anyone is looking for one of the many cures for cancer, simply listen to Rick Simpson Youtube videos.

[qwik2learn]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

Your explanation is not as simple as using the scientific method to answer these questions. What exactly is unscientific about these tests? You simply do not want to address the research or inquire into the facts because it is in conflict with your belief system (BS).

[qwik2learn]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

Not necessarily true. The world is quite large. Even with today's communications abilities, there might be loads of people who never find out about it and become cured.

There are others who would not believe the cure, and still others who are simply stubborn. I mean, I show you the cure for death through faith in Jesus salvation, but you don't believe it, and you are stubborn. Why not other people with the cure for cancer?

If anyone is looking for one of the many cures for cancer, simply listen to Rick Simpson Youtube videos.

You can test RSO as a cure for cancer, and there are testimonies of healing. So far so good.
How can you test the idea of Jesus Salvation? If this is "salvation through faith", then we are talking about receiving a benefit from merely believing that someone has made atonement on your behalf, that kind of belief is an example of "magical thinking", and according to the latest research, this was not even a teaching that was endorsed by Jesus:
https://www.amazon.com/Christs-Ventriloquists-Event-Created-Christianity/dp/0615573010/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

[Horacewoodwood]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

An institution who believed killing goats by staring at them is possible is not quite a proper candidate for scientific research over telekinesis. There is no real report confirming anything, you can contact the CIA and show them the links, see the answer. However, considering you posted a link found in the conspiracy section from reddit, you should see how this becomes highly pathetic. As for the 'unscientific' part, you are either retarded or lack the knowledge to properly read something due to your 'cherrypicking' technique: telekinesis is not about psychology. It would include physics, neuroscience, chemistry, biology. These fields are not researched for telekinesis, so that research that you are talking about are mildly serious and do not confirm absolutely nothing.

[qwik2learn]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

An institution who believed killing goats by staring at them is possible is not quite a proper candidate for scientific research over telekinesis. There is no real report confirming anything, you can contact the CIA and show them the links, see the answer. However, considering you posted a link found in the conspiracy section from reddit, you should see how this becomes highly pathetic. As for the 'unscientific' part, you are either retarded or lack the knowledge to properly read something due to your 'cherrypicking' technique: telekinesis is not about psychology. It would include physics, neuroscience, chemistry, biology. These fields are not researched for telekinesis, so that research that you are talking about are mildly serious and do not confirm absolutely nothing.

It is not upon me to confirm that this report is no longer valid since it appears valid on its face, a government report summarizing the trials of the CIA scientists. Why exactly is this report invalid or unscientific? It is pathetic of you to attack the messengers: CIA scientists, Reddit users, and me, for bringing these two proofs to your attention.
I did also submit a report that incorporated neuroscience into its methods, but you missed that entirely!
Could you kindly explain once again exactly how or why these studies are unscientific? You said there were holes in the science, meaning there are methodological issues. I disagree, these are rigorous tests, I have not heard an atheist explain why this evidence is so unreliable, it comes from elite researchers, that should be enough to warrant a closer investigation.

[sirazimuth]

If Earth looks something like the following then questioning the existence of a creator is a ridiculous proposition.


Flat Earth Model

i think my eyes just rolled outta the back of my head....

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

sorta like the flat earth movement
you just cant make this shit up....

[Flying Hellfish]

If Earth looks something like the following then questioning the existence of a creator is a ridiculous proposition.


Flat Earth Model

Does the pole need maintenance?  Has it ever broken down?  whats it made of?  How are the Sun and Moon attached to it?  Is the sun hot and why doesn't it burn the pole it's attached too?

Lastly, does Santa Claus know he has a big giant fucking pole in his back yard?

[qwik2learn]

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis,

You think they no longer believe in it? Then why the report confirming it?
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

It comes down to something very simple. If someone claims to have a cure for cancer, you would be seeing everyone getting cured of cancer. If people could fly you would see people flying all the time. If people could actually move objects with their minds, you would be seeing people doing it all the time in real life yet you don't. There are only stupid youtube videos and that's about it, just like there are videos about ghosts and other stupid shit.

sorta like the flat earth movement
you just cant make this shit up....

You do not have a rebuttal for these tests, neither do the other skeptics here. I ask you again: prove that you are rational and give a logical rebuttal.
Where is the explanation for why these tests are "just as unscientific as flat-earth experiments"? You must think that you can just say whatever you want about these experiments, but that is not how science works!