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4241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2016, 06:02:11 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-pound-has-suffered-a-stunning-collapse/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-wins-as-britain-votes-to-leave/
4242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2016, 06:00:37 AM
Well fuck I just sold all of my coins I bought between $560 - $600 and now I have nothing left to sell in trading account.  And we just had Brexit and going to the moon.  I hate preplanned trading strategies !  

At least I still have all my cold wallet coins I am not touching.


buy

I have rules to keep me safe.  I won't let the bad man touch me there.  

As it is I sold my last coin at $678 which is looking like a good sale for the moment.  I'll start buying back in around $620.
That may not happen ever again....in a few hours the world is going to change.
4243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 24, 2016, 05:42:54 AM


Looks like BREXIT  is almost upon us...this will be a world changing event...This could lead to the complete collapse of the EU...Scotland will break away from UK too.
HOLD YOUR COINS...BTC, ETH we gona fly like you have never seen before, this is the event most have been waiting for,lol  Smiley
£££ is tanking, worse since 1985
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-pound-has-suffered-a-stunning-collapse/

British PM Cameron resigns

$50 ETH could happpen very soon.... Cool
BTC ATH incoming to..

4244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2016, 05:41:04 AM
http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-to-sell-44000-btc-in-final-silk-road-auction/
44,341 BTC, to be sold, will go on sale from 12:00 UTC to 18:00 UTC on November 5, 2015

1  month before Auction oct 5, 1btc $240
1 day before auction nov 4, 1btc  $504
On auction days...$360 then within days back to $299


Now
3 weeks before auction $440s
3days before auction $780


Australia to auction $11.5 million confiscated bitcoins ... The sale will take place on June 20-21 2016 and involve 24,518 coins
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-auction-australia-idUSKCN0YL091

Dump could take us back to $500s then quick recovery due to the fiat issues getting worse every week.


Looks like BREXIT  is almost upon us...this will be a world changing event...This could lead to the complete collapse of the EU...Scotland will break away from UK too.
HOLD YOUR COINS...BTC, ETH we gona fly like you have never seen before, this is the event most have been waiting for,lol  Smiley
£££ is tanking, worse since 1985
BTC & ETH ATH INCOMING
4245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 22, 2016, 10:45:47 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-to-sell-44000-btc-in-final-silk-road-auction/
44,341 BTC, to be sold, will go on sale from 12:00 UTC to 18:00 UTC on November 5, 2015

1  month before Auction oct 5, 1btc $240
1 day before auction nov 4, 1btc  $504
On auction days...$360 then within days back to $299


Now
3 weeks before auction $440s
3days before auction $780


Australia to auction $11.5 million confiscated bitcoins ... The sale will take place on June 20-21 2016 and involve 24,518 coins
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-auction-australia-idUSKCN0YL091

Dump could take us back to $500s then quick recovery due to the fiat issues getting worse every week.
4246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 22, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Gavin Wood presentation hack of the DAO smart contract and options Ethereum community #dbc16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOGtH7J0WE
Published on 21 Jun 2016
On June 20th co Founder Ethereum Gavin Wood gave a interesting presentation on the hack of the DOA smart contract.
He describes how the hack of the smart contract, unrelated to Ethereum, happend and what the options are of the community in the next 30 days.
Thanks Gav  Smiley
4247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 22, 2016, 07:31:25 PM
https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4pc6yh/white_hat_siphoning_has_occurred_what_now/
eze111 7 points 33 minutes ago

Hard Fork recovery:
"The timeline for such a scenario would be relatively short; 1–2 weeks to implement and test the hard fork code and then another week for the community to update their clients. So after 3 weeks the refund process for all DTHs could start and everyone would get 100% of their ETH back in a guaranteed fashion."

Targeted Soft Fork recovery:
White Hat DAOs (7,630,479 ETH) in 38 days
Dark DAO (3.64 mil ETH) in 71 days
Small Dark DAOs (Huh ETH) in 71 days
Extra Balance (344,907 ETH) in 14 days




Im not sure on the accuracy of these dates.
I have been reading alot and i think its now time to hardfork and end all this.
The hardfork will bring many updates which will make ETH much stronger than it has ever been.
4248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 22, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
https://blog.slock.it/white-hat-siphoning-has-occurred-what-now-f7ba2f8d20ef#.9h5pog4ha
4249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 22, 2016, 06:02:18 PM
https://blog.ethcore.io/how-we-find-common-ground-and-settle-our-differences/

How we find common ground and settle our differences.
22 June 2016

To look at Ethereum social media today you might think that we had somehow been invaded by some obscure political subreddit. Words like ‘principles’, ‘ideologies’, and ‘zealotry’ are being thrown around. It has been somewhat different from the collegial atmosphere that we have enjoyed in the past six months; but it is an inevitable result of the situation we find ourselves in.

There is a debate going on and it is an important one.

Unlike other posts you will read today this post is not to argue the case for one side or another but rather to re-assure everyone involved that this will be resolved and that the process for resolving this is happening right now. Here I will talk about how the Ethereum developers will build the tools for the community to resolve a situation like this - and how this process should unfold.

Let us distill the issues at hand:

    There are a large number of Ethereum users who would like to change the social consensus that currently exists on the state of the Ethereum blockchain.
    In particular they wish to ‘transfer’ Ether from one location into the hands of another group of individuals.
    It is mooted that the only way to achieve this outcome effectively is for a new version of the client software to be built and adopted by users of the network.

Note that I am only concerned here with these three very generic sounding items; this is not about the arguments for and against - only the way it has played out so far and the way we see it continue to play out over the coming weeks.

What has happened so far:

    Signalling a problem: On Friday morning it was discovered that someone had found an exploit in theDAO’s code which allowed them to drain Ether that did not belong to them. The immediate response was visceral - Ether and DAO Tokens dropped in value dramatically and social media was inundated with anxious requests for news on what was going on. Users started spamming the network with transactions to stop the attacker from drawing any more Ether out. Exchanges and other endpoints requested advice on how they should proceed. This was the first signal that a normally immutable change had been made to the blockchain which was considered undesirable/unacceptable to a (potential) majority of the people who use the network.
    Response: The core developers who maintain the clients used on the public chain looked at the code that was being exploited and determined quite quickly that the attacker would not be able to seize full control of the ether for another 27 days. This meant that there was sufficient time to properly analyse the problem and see how it could be addressed. In order to buy further time to examine the issue a modification of the Parity and Geth clients was quickly coded up. This soft fork would stop Ether from leaving the attacking DAO indefinitely if the change is adopted by sufficient number of miners. This is a decision made by the network (not the developers).
    Discussion begins: It becomes clear that there are options to change the state of consensus in the manner that a large faction might feel would be desirable. Positions were put forward and arguments made. Pro or anti-groups debated the merits and pitfalls. A soft fork proposal and implementation were created and debated for both Parity and Geth. A ‘Hard Fork’ proposal is made, then discussed and debated. (A group of “vigilante” DAO curators, unilaterally, launched a white hat attack, apparently in an attempt to secure the remaining funds and cripple the attacker DAO.)

What will happen next:

    The first decision: With clients incorporating the soft fork amendments having been made available, the miners are in a position to make a decision on whether or not to adopt this fork. Their economic incentive is to act in the interests of the community in order to maintain the value of their mining rewards, and to herd with the largest group of miners since they are only incentivised to mine on the longest chain. It is possible that if insufficient miners choose to implement the soft fork, the stolen Ether will not be frozen. In this case the Ether will go to the attacker 27 days after his attack.
    Debate continues: The parties involved will make their arguments to one another during this period. The parties and their incentives are diverse - a miner might have completely different view of the situation to, say, an exchange owner; likewise a ‘holder’ will see things very differently from, say, a dapp developer. Those who are not members of the Ethereum or DAO community per se, but perhaps fans of other crypto projects introduce additional entropy. Individuals will make decisions on what they will want to see happen.
    Second signal: This debate will give the developers a clear idea of where the boundaries of the issues lie and what options users of the network would like to have available to them. Once they know the options that need to be available, they will code up a modification of Parity and Geth to give those options to users. This will likely necessitate a ‘deadline’ for the network for either changing the blockchain state or keeping it as it is. Forking or not forking.
    Countdown: All types of users will be faced with a choice - no one group of users can dictate to another that the alteration should happen or not. Miners, users, exchanges and developers can ‘vote with their feet’ if necessary. A hard fork’s success is measured in the level of acceptance it garners with users.
    Resolution: Exchanges, Miners and Users all pick their choice of software. A majority is formed on one side of the hard fork or the other. Users who stay on the minority version of Parity or Geth will find themselves out of consensus with the majority.
    Social consensus is reached: At this point either the fork will have gone ahead or not and the network will be on one state or the other - dependent on the decisions made by the users. The network continues.

It is important to note that throughout this process the developers are not expected to remain agnostic or indifferent. They are important players in the ecosystem and will likely voice their opinions on how best to evolve the network. However, assuming they wish to protect their own existence and relevance, they will inevitably provide support to as much of the userbase as possible, even those who do not share their opinion. They will create clients that are capable of switching to a new fork if the users desire it - pretty much the greatest contribution to the common good they can make.

You can expect them to be vocal in their recommendations and professional in the work they do for you, as a member of the Ethereum community. And once this decision is made, to continue to build the best technology for you to use - regardless of the outcome.

This will be up to you and we are listening.
4250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 21, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
polo soon, decentralized exchange august, if you cant wait to x5(or more  Cool) within 6-8weeks, sell
4251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 21, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
How is it possible to become an active member of the waves community?
show your wallet with keys  Cheesy Cheesy
4252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 21, 2016, 10:24:48 PM
How is it possible to become an active member of the waves community?
type here every hour  Cheesy
4253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 21, 2016, 10:22:52 PM
omg waves is dying... Cheesy Wink
4254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 06:49:01 AM
But why all the hassle? Just sell your ethers and move to some other altcoin, if you're altcoin lover. There are hundreds of them and much more secure than ethers.
can suggest some...pleeeeeease
4255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 06:32:48 AM

It's like if a bank robber manages to steal 15% of USD currency and we choose to use AUD instead.
Nope. It's like you choose to print USD bills with a new design to make counterfeiting more difficult. Just what central banks do when they print too much money.

Tongue best troll ever  Tongue
4256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 06:13:44 AM
A hard-fork is the libertarian option! self.ethereum

submitted 4 minutes ago by HermanSchoenfeld

What's all the fuss about?

The thief can keep his loot on his chain and individual users can choose to fork their chains and undo the thief's exploit.

A hard-fork is perfectly consistent with libertarian fundamentals so long as it's not forced on anyone - it's a choice every user/node makes.

There's no contracts being broken, no one is being forced to upgrade and fork, and no ones taking away anyones loot.

If you want to live on the chain where the thief controls 15% of the supply, you can. If you want to provide goods and services for his stolen loot, you can! Those of us who find this idea reprehensible, don't have to. As free libertarians, we can individually choose to upgrade our nodes and fork our local chains and undo the thief's exploit.

It's like if a bank robber manages to steal 15% of USD currency and we choose to use AUD instead. We're not stealing the bank robbers money by choosing to use another currency, he can keep his loot all he wants. And if you want to accept it for goods and services, you can! We don't have to, because we are free libertarians and choose not too. What's the problem?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4p36ur/a_hardfork_is_the_libertarian_option/
4257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 04:29:27 AM
Decentralization doesn’t mean that anything runs completely in the wild; it means that the power to change is led by consensus, rather than dictated. With the fork after the DAO exploit earlier this year, a lot of the arguments seemed to confuse the idea of deregulation with that of decentralization. A strongly-centralized blockchain is susceptible to corruption. A blockchain led by consensus is far less so. But a completely-unregulated blockchain (one which is only regulated by the originating code) is by its nature corrupt to begin with. Code can’t change itself to correct issues.

http://sebfor.com/misunderstanding-cryptocurrency/
4258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 02:12:58 AM
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?


Tell me why ETH is involved in a 3rd party software losing ETH, why are they recovering ETH for someone that lost it, will they recover mine if I lose my ETH wallet, or do I have to have a certain % of ETH to apply for the ETH refund shceme.

If I lost my ETH, tough luck, If I lose enough ETH to impact the marketcap, rollback, hardfork and refund.

Rich get rich, poor get poorer, BankCoin
tbh im not explaining this to anyone now, its basically your opinion vs mine.
ETH is at a gd price, if you have some and are not happy...sell, goto fiat or btc or take a chance on another alt
ETH will continue doing what it feels is best for its community while in development.
By voting a fair chance is being given to everyone to decide what to do next.  http://ethpool.org/stats/votes


This is the entire problem, WTF does price have to do with anything, you are also are motivated by greed.

I never cared about the price, I was excited about creating an autonomous company, but since I cant guarantee it will be their forever and cannot be changed, I need to search for a blockchain similar that offers guaranteed immutability, I cant have my smart contract disappearing and my funds lost because I got soft forked out of existence.

"The majority of the miners did not like your contract, so not its not processed by the network" Awesome

None of you care about the ETH platform and what it could be, you all care about trading and making money.

Sad and depressing.
Price doesn't matter to me, its for people who maybe un happy with the direction ETH goes in...
ETH is still being created , maybe if you wait until its actually complete you will get what you want.


If they can change my contract via soft fork and miner pressure, I cant trust the contract to run as I design it, so no, this softfork proves the one unique thing ETH has is useless.

I think this is the part we are conflicting with, forget the DAO, forget the money, forget the "attacker", the softfork is changing the behavior of a contract, if this is not motivated by money, then they are just changing a contract in a way in which it was not designed.

Sure it had a bug, but that's not ETH's problem, the DAO should have tested their software better, the DAO GAVE the funds to the contract user though their own incompetence, now they want it back.

It became ETH's problem when they all panicked about the damage the 3millon ETH could do to the price of their currency

That is the issue I have with the soft fork, also the way they implemented the "fix" by adding a generic blacklist so any other "mistake" contracts can me added makes it impossible to trust unless you own more than 51% of the mining.


But like you said, we have totally different opinions of the impact of the suggested forks, because IMO if the "attacker" dumps that is ETH redistribution, the price (for the people that care) will recover, but removing the immutability of smart contracts invalidates the entire point of smart contracts, therefore you just have a coin with some extra features that can be used for games etc, it can never be trusted for any financial applications if it can be changed by the ETH network due to personal opinions.
M8 ETH is learning and creating just now, we all know this.
Yes a mistake was made but no way should one person be allowed to walk away with 1/3 of other peoples funds. If he can be stopped then he should be.
What if the attacker doesnt dump and causes more damage to your own created smart contract later on?
Im curious, what you will do if we spork or fork?
4259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 01:31:00 AM
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?


Tell me why ETH is involved in a 3rd party software losing ETH, why are they recovering ETH for someone that lost it, will they recover mine if I lose my ETH wallet, or do I have to have a certain % of ETH to apply for the ETH refund shceme.

If I lost my ETH, tough luck, If I lose enough ETH to impact the marketcap, rollback, hardfork and refund.

Rich get rich, poor get poorer, BankCoin
tbh im not explaining this to anyone now, its basically your opinion vs mine.
ETH is at a gd price, if you have some and are not happy...sell, goto fiat or btc or take a chance on another alt
ETH will continue doing what it feels is best for its community while in development.
By voting a fair chance is being given to everyone to decide what to do next.  http://ethpool.org/stats/votes


This is the entire problem, WTF does price have to do with anything, you are also are motivated by greed.

I never cared about the price, I was excited about creating an autonomous company, but since I cant guarantee it will be their forever and cannot be changed, I need to search for a blockchain similar that offers guaranteed immutability, I cant have my smart contract disappearing and my funds lost because I got soft forked out of existence.

"The majority of the miners did not like your contract, so not its not processed by the network" Awesome

None of you care about the ETH platform and what it could be, you all care about trading and making money.

Sad and depressing.
Price doesnt matter to me, its for people who maybe un happy with the direction ETH goes in...
ETH is still being created , maybe if you wait until its actually complete you will get what you want.
4260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 21, 2016, 01:26:06 AM

How is it fair if the votes are being bought? Honest question. ETH is bribing the miners, and you call it a fair vote.

The vote is for a soft fork, just so the hacker does not profit anymore. DAO investors should never be refunded and ETH should be burned.
i wouldnt mind if that happened
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