When the argument is invalid, memes are fun  Yeah, as I said, science works, obviously. You go to a hospital when you are sick, you don't pray. If you dont want to die, you buy a parachute you don't just wait for god to save you. Religion does not work. |
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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?  I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God. The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is. Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here? You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him. I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion. Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?  What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment. Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe. These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is. Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else? The evidence is right in what you asked. There isn't anything else. So, all the evidence points to God. Somebody might suggest that big bang is something else. But BB doesn't even scientifically define a method for intelligence in the universe. BB is out of the picture by its own design. Do you have a "something else" that you can point at, that makes any sense at all? We live in a simulated reality because we are programmed like the matrix, just as an easy example. Aliens that are very intelligent and capable of creating universes. And your argument is a logical fallacy because you are doing an argument from ignorance, oh what else could it be, so because you can't think of a better explanation it means it's God? |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY!  God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. Yeah dude, I point you with a gun and I say, hey give me your money or I will shoot you. I'm giving you a choice Seems perfectly fine to me. And how is it a choice to believe in something anyways. Is not like I can choose to suddenly believe in God. What a pile of horseshit lmao. Oh, but you can!!! Nobody who believes in God does it by himself. The Holy Spirit does the big part of the work. It's kinda like a transistor. The transistor (your tiny faith) is simply a little switch that says when the electricity is to flow. The Holy Spirit is like the Main Power Coupling, that provides the real power. It's kinda like the alternator in a car. You send the tiny, electrical current of your faith through the windings, and the car engine of the Holy Spirit turns it into big electricity. Let the Holy Spirit work the faith in you. Simply turn it on a little. But I can't. I do not believe in ghosts and I can't force myself to believe in ghosts, this is simple logic. |
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Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.
If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes. Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand. Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all. The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses. The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God. Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think. When you continue to lie like this, how will you ever have any credibility at all? You know for a fact that it is I who show the science, while you continually bring religion into it. However, I give you credit. You are reasonably constant in your religion of lies. You must really like being a liar. Regarding evolution, again. The theory of evolution is a closed system that doesn't act within reality. Evolution, itself, doesn't exist in reality. Examination of science regarding evolution proves this. Literally every ''argument'' you use against evolution is a debunked one. It's just what creationists use but with a simple google search you can find the rebuttals. The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time. "Entropy" is a technical term with a precise physical definition, but for most purposes it is okay to think of it as equivalent to "disorder". Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics basically says that the universe as a whole gets more disordered and random as time goes on. However, the most important part of the second law of thermodynamics is that it only applies to a closed system - one that does not have anything going in or out of it. There is nothing about the second law that prevents one part of a closed system from getting more ordered, as long as another part of the system is getting more disordered. There are many examples from everyday life that prove it is possible to create order! For example, you'd certainly agree that a person is capable of taking a pile of wood and nails and constructing a building out of it. The wood and nails have become more ordered, but in doing the work required to make the building, the person has generated heat which goes into increasing the overall entropy of the universe. Or, if you prefer an example that doesn't require conscious human intervention, consider what happens when the weather changes and it gets colder outside. Cold air has less entropy than warm air - basically, it is more "ordered" because the molecules aren't moving around as much and have fewer places they can be. So the entropy in your local part of the universe has decreased, but as long as that is accompanied by an increase in entropy somewhere else, the second law of thermodynamics has not been violated. |
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Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.
If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes. Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand. Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all. The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses. The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God. Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think. Even worse, he thinks the bible has science in it... lol Modern science wasn't invented until 1500 years after the bible was written... the bible has zero science in it... it's just a collection of myths and fables (many of which are provably false) The sad thing is... if all known facts and evidence supporting Evolution was written down in a single book... it would be much bigger than the bible, yet full of nothing but facts and evidence proving Evolution The guy will claim it's all wrong, without providing a single counterexample or a single shred of evidence to support his claim that "Evolution is a hoax" Of course he doesn't say evolution is wrong, he also claims is a hoax, as in a conspiracy and all scientists are lying about it for some reason. I mean someone who thinks a book is true and science is wrong, clearly has problems thinking. |
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Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.
If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes. Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand. Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all. The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses. The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God. Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think. |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? God sends no one to Hell. He simply offers the option. Believe and accept Jesus salvation and miss out on Hell. Or don't accept and believe Jesus, and toss yourself into Hell. YOUR choice. Yeah dude, I point you with a gun and I say, hey give me your money or I will shoot you. I'm giving you a choice Seems perfectly fine to me. And how is it a choice to believe in something anyways. Is not like I can choose to suddenly believe in God. What a pile of horseshit lmao. |
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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try? I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God. The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is. Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here? You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him. I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion. Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right? What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment. Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe. These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is. Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else? |
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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try? I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God. The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is. Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here? You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him. I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion. Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right? What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment. Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe. |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards He will not show up just for us to believe Him. He is God. We are nothing to Him. Yet He loves us unconditionally. We are like flowers here today and gone tomorrow. We are like waves tossed in the ocean. We are nothing. We have to seek Him with all our hearts if we want to know Him. He is not punishing us if He will not show Himself to us. He do not needs us. But we need him. It says clearly in the bible that if you do not believe in god you will go to hell. If he loves us so much, why does he send people to hell for eternal torture. Don't you see the problem there? |
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Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.
If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes. Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand. |
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Science is too backward to understand God.
You speak as if you had seen God and knew where exactly God is. Has many years and to this day does not have at least a single person who says that he saw and talked with God How do you expect people to believe in God? Why is it so difficult for God to show Himself that God really exists? No reason for god, angels and heaven remain hidden EXACTLY! God must do something in order for all people to believe in him. Miracles and Bibles are not enough for all people to believe in God. I think we really need to see God, and God should talk to all people. Don't you ever go outside and look at nature? How much more does God have to show you before you will understand that He exists? If God wanted us to know he exists, he would know exactly what to do. Yet he chooses to not do it and then punish people for it. I don't really understand how anyone thinks that makes sense, oh well, religiotards |
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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try? I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God. The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is. Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here? You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him. |
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Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test
I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science. Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right? I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text... Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it. |
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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try? I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God. The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is. Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here? |
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Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.
Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently. Creationism is testable... You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through) We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years! We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either) We have fossils that are millions of years old! You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test All of the suggested scientific ages of the earth beyond about 4,500 years are inconclusive. They are all based on evidences that can be interpreted in different ways, or that have no factual basis for being interpreted the way that they are. Bible creation story accounts are based on eye witness reports. EDIT: Young Earth should make evolutionists happy. Why? Because as has been noted in a different part of this thread, there are about 150 bad mutations to every good mutation. This means that the odds are, that over a long time, the good mutation will go bad. It's like the longer you leave a piece of iron out in the weather, the rustier it gets. Young earth doesn't give good mutations as much time to go bad. All of them are conclusive and all of them show the same thing. Unfortunately people like you just say, nah bro they are wrong hehehee xd. As I said, why do you keep talking about evolution when you don't udnerstand it. You just repeat what other creatards are saying. You do not understand mutations. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.htmlAll creationist claims are debunked. Get over it man. If you want to believe in fairy tails, that's fine but don't spread your bullshit here. |
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The fact is that the theory of evolution is just a theory.
  I understand that many people now present some images and theory of the existence of mankind on earth. But even if we assume that a person on Earth is a guest, then all living things, including plants and animals, are all inhabitants of this planet. Therefore, it can be assumed that evolution refers only to the animal and vegetable world but not to man. You know that humans are in fact animals, right? There is really almost no difference between us and other animals except our intelligence. We reproduce and have sex like other animals, we feel pain because it indicates when something is wrong just like other animals and we are weak compared to many animals. |
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We are used to everything. It must be Proven. It's like here on the forum already say that little Earth is flat, and half of the members of the community believe in it. But at the same time, no one presents any evidence with the help of one science. Why, then, need to prove the help of science in the existence of God. Religion and Science are two different things.
Yes religion is belief in something without evidence or good reason, science on the other hand presents evidence. Science works, religion doesn't. When you are sick you go to a hospital or do you pray? |
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Personally, in fact, it does not matter.
The fact is that the theory of evolution is just a theory. As well as creationism. I do not have enough qualifications to judge. But about creationism, I heard many unflattering reviews.
I have no reason to take the story of the creation literally, otherwise, as K.S. Lewis, Christians should have been carrying eggs, because It is written: "Be like doves."
Still, I think that the Bible teaches, rather, the relationship between man and God, and not at all history, archeology, physics or medicine.
https://www.google.es/search?q=theory+of+evolution+is+just+a+theory&oq=theory+of+evolution+is+just+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.4191j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can, in accordance with the scientific method, be repeatedly tested, using a predefined protocol of observations and experiments.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and are a comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] Not just theory bro. Creationism is not a theory, it's just made up. The bible teaches that God is not God. It says God is perfect and at the same time that God failed, it's just a bunch of contradictions. |
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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority. I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something? You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you. Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception. Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you. ''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??'' But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well? So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not. Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible. You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread. Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible. It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect. Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God. And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is. You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists. And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless. Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe. What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth. But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups. No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. That's what complexity does. The way complexity works in an entropy universe shows that God exists. The fact of cause and effect working the way it does, shows God through the ultra high - beyond conceivable understanding - complexity in cause and effect alone, to say nothing about the intelligence of the mind of man produced thereby. Of course, even the lower intelligence of you and other people who won't accept the science that proves God, is still proof in itself that God exists. Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try? I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is. |
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