Evolution is a hoax

[bkbirge]

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

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[Moloch]

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

[BADecker]

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

All of the suggested scientific ages of the earth beyond about 4,500 years are inconclusive. They are all based on evidences that can be interpreted in different ways, or that have no factual basis for being interpreted the way that they are.

Bible creation story accounts are based on eye witness reports.



EDIT: Young Earth should make evolutionists happy. Why? Because as has been noted in a different part of this thread, there are about 150 bad mutations to every good mutation. This means that the odds are, that over a long time, the good mutation will go bad. It's like the longer you leave a piece of iron out in the weather, the rustier it gets. Young earth doesn't give good mutations as much time to go bad.

[Astargath]

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

All of the suggested scientific ages of the earth beyond about 4,500 years are inconclusive. They are all based on evidences that can be interpreted in different ways, or that have no factual basis for being interpreted the way that they are.

Bible creation story accounts are based on eye witness reports.



EDIT: Young Earth should make evolutionists happy. Why? Because as has been noted in a different part of this thread, there are about 150 bad mutations to every good mutation. This means that the odds are, that over a long time, the good mutation will go bad. It's like the longer you leave a piece of iron out in the weather, the rustier it gets. Young earth doesn't give good mutations as much time to go bad.

All of them are conclusive and all of them show the same thing. Unfortunately people like you just say, nah bro they are wrong hehehee xd. As I said, why do you keep talking about evolution when you don't udnerstand it. You just repeat what other creatards are saying. You do not understand mutations.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

All creationist claims are debunked. Get over it man. If you want to believe in fairy tails, that's fine but don't spread your bullshit here.

[bkbirge]

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

[AntiMasque0]

Even a kid knows that animals have been part of evolution in history. If you refer to humans it's still an open debate, but it exists.

[BADecker]

Even a kid knows that animals have been part of evolution in history. If you refer to humans it's still an open debate, but it exists.

Kids understand God easier than anyone. They are also brainwashed easier than anyone into believing in the evolution hoax.

[Moloch]

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

[Lancusters]

Evolution suggests that everything happened in a random way, while rejecting God and rational creation
The people who stood at the origins of this theory - were unbelievers, and came up with an explanation of all that is available, as an accident

But there is not a single proof of evolution so far ... Everything around is a complete deception

You do not understand what evolution is. Faith in God which is not also speaks of the lack of tendency to analysis. So evolution is not an accident. All organisms evolyutsioniruet strictly according to certain rules and with a purpose.

[deejhay]

i think its not really a hoax,
we all know that species always find a way to adopt to its changing environment and thousand years of slow and continues change in environment  will  sure to change the species to adopt.
if man dont think of wearing clothes, i'm sure our body is still covered in hair just like monkeys.

[Astargath]

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

[Xester]

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

I did not study a masters degree and even not a scholar.  Does not have expertise.  But how can you say that the Bible is testable?  So you are believing to that evolution?  It is a theory.  All the science explanation to something that still unknown and have not a clear explanation are always theories.  All answer about the creation is found in the Bible.  Does not have to profound how God created the Earth.  It does not need to state that the plants were created which have these enzymes to become a plant.  God is God.  Alpha Omega.  Beginning and the End.  He is God.  Supreme.  Creator.

[OliynyK]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

[Astargath]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

[BADecker]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all.

The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses.

The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God.

[Astargath]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all.

The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses.

The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God.

Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think.

[Moloch]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all.

The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses.

The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God.

Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think.

Even worse, he thinks the bible has science in it... lol

Modern science wasn't invented until 1500 years after the bible was written... the bible has zero science in it... it's just a collection of myths and fables (many of which are provably false)

The sad thing is... if all known facts and evidence supporting Evolution was written down in a single book... it would be much bigger than the bible, yet full of nothing but facts and evidence proving Evolution

The guy will claim it's all wrong, without providing a single counterexample or a single shred of evidence to support his claim that "Evolution is a hoax"

[Astargath]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all.

The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses.

The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God.

Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think.

Even worse, he thinks the bible has science in it... lol

Modern science wasn't invented until 1500 years after the bible was written... the bible has zero science in it... it's just a collection of myths and fables (many of which are provably false)

The sad thing is... if all known facts and evidence supporting Evolution was written down in a single book... it would be much bigger than the bible, yet full of nothing but facts and evidence proving Evolution

The guy will claim it's all wrong, without providing a single counterexample or a single shred of evidence to support his claim that "Evolution is a hoax"

Of course he doesn't say evolution is wrong, he also claims is a hoax, as in a conspiracy and all scientists are lying about it for some reason. I mean someone who thinks a book is true and science is wrong, clearly has problems thinking.

[BADecker]

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

If you are talking about the book of Genesis then you could have a view about the existence but scientist cannot completely prove that how the world came into existence and how humans came other than just evolution which i do not believe it to be the truth,evolution can happen but that does not mean that my first ancestors are apes.

Actually science has a pretty clear understanding on how the planets are formed. The bible doesn't prove anything, it just states things, there is no explanation for any of it. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It's not a matter of belief. Go study and you will understand.

Actually, science doesn't have a clue as to how planets are formed. They have a lot of theoretical guesses. And they have patterned their guesses into a standard format. But they don't really know at all.

The Bible isn't meant top prove these things. The bible is simply eye-witness record. It is written at God's direction in ways that average people can understand. It is way more accurate than scientific guesses.

The choice is yours. And it is really a choice of what you are going to believe. Eiterh believe the scientists and their guesses. Or believe the eye-witness accounts of people who were there, or received the message from God.

Of course badecker. You think all science is wrong and that we don't know anything. Instead you think eye-witness which isn't even eye-witness, it's just a book is far more accurate than everything scientists study. There is the biggest problem with your thinking. You clearly cannot critically think.

When you continue to lie like this, how will you ever have any credibility at all? You know for a fact that it is I who show the science, while you continually bring religion into it. However, I give you credit. You are reasonably constant in your religion of lies. You must really like being a liar.

Regarding evolution, again. The theory of evolution is a closed system that doesn't act within reality. Evolution, itself, doesn't exist in reality. Examination of science regarding evolution proves this.

[hugoworld]

Whether evolution is proven scientifically or not, there is a reality to prove then evolution exists. Humanity and other living creatures are adapting themselves to environmental conditions through years. This is the proof for evolution for sure.