Didn't want to mention this in the very first post after he announced it (and it was posted for proofreading a few days ago, so we all had our chance) but I agree. Minor punctuation and paragraph structure things, I believe pseudonymous was meant to be pseudo - anonymous, and some parts are a little too far inside the bubble for mass consumption.
All in all not too shabby though.
Thanks guys. Future media releases could certainly benefit from some proof reading. It can be hard to spot one's own mistakes, especially when updating and adding to a previous draft. re pseudonymous: I believe my usage was correct ("pseudonymous digital addresses"). The Bitcoin protocol is pseudo anonymous but the digital addresses are pseudonymous, in that they are false identities. Yes, pseudonymous is used correctly here. It's been used to describe BTC by professionals; see here: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-27/bitcoin-may-not-be-so-anonymous-after-all |
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They can reach out to me @ dev.mc2@gmail.com if they need help too (it doesn't look easy contacting them) It's a Russian company so I'm not sure how easy it will be to communicate with them but I submitted a ticket giving this contact info. |
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I guess these things work. Upward price movement. o_0 |
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Any CPU only coin is useless. Just a get rich quick scheme for botnet owners controlling 50,000 computers. Either the algorithm has to be changed, or it has to go myriadcoin style somehow.
I mined BMR on day 2 and got 0. God forbid someone tries to CPU mine it a month from now. Coin is dead in the water until it's not CPU only.
That's called bad luck. I mined on day 2 with a stock CPU and found a couple blocks, which is about what's expected. |
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Why BCN block is about 2 years old and CryptoNote white paper is dated October 17, 2013 ?
1. The dates in the block chain are fake 2. The paper was written after the code You decide. Case 1: They could do genesis block msg .. ( https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block ) Case 2: Not academic best practices for peer review ... anyways I'm mining and reading the code too, just very curious about it  CN denies that they're connected to the BCN developers but I don't believe it. At least one person from the CN team helped developed BCN if this blockchain really is 2 years old. I personally think that BCN is their prototype and research platform. |
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The current situation with BCN is that it won the vote and the site admins couldn't figure out how to integrate it. They said they'd reach out to BCN devs but I don't think they're aware that this is a deepweb project. BCN devs may not respond at all. To get BMR on there, you'll need to be able to help them understand the API. |
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Oh, folkes.
That's so weird to tell about BCN "pre mine" and BMR no-premine as its advantage. You know, people who will find out BMR much more later will say that you premined BMR. Just because they will be late for low diffs.
And they will think it's unfair distribution, because you have coins and they don't. As you do it now.
People will start to do their own "fair" forkes. As a result we will have hundreds useless coins as Bitcoin's ones. It's so stupid and irritating.
Btw I offer not to call BCN situation as "premine", because it's significantly other situation.
I agree that it's definitely not a premine. I now always put premine in quotes when referring to BCN. It's more like an extreme case of a ninja launch if we had to put words to it. But there's really no appropriate terminology for this because a deepweb launch followed by 2 years of mining is unprecedented in cryptocurrency history. But is this an advantage for BMR? Seems the market (miners) think so, which suggests we as a community doesn't see a deepweb launch as public knowledge (hence the premine accusations). It's just an opinion, but I tend to sympathize with that. BMR's difficulty is ~250k, which is equivalent to 500k BCN difficulty. And it hit this 3 days after launch, which speaks for itself. The emission is a lot flatter and there a lot of people on it right now so I don't think this is merely a get-rich-quick scheme. |
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Synching this blockchain takes quite a while, even this soon after release.. Makes me wonder how bad it will be later on. Hhopefully some improvements can be made, (parallel downloads?). Looks like this fork also stores the entire blockchain in memory? Anyway, new-ish technology is exciting, gonna try mining some.
Type "save" in the daemon and it'll store the blockchain on the hard drive. BCN has a quick start package on its website that includes a recent save of the blockchain. As the BMR chain grows in the coming months, we can provide that as well on our totally not non-existent website. |
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Selling 1000 BMR for 0.5 BTC
You want to sell 100 of that to eizh? Sure. Thanks.  Please confirm when you guys trade so I can take it off the book. Trade finished. I bought the other 900 too so this is 0.5 BTC for 1000 BMR. With diff going the way it is my poor i7-2600K's solo mining days are numbered so I bought a lot. Who knows if this is overpayment or under?  |
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Keeping Darkcoin on the front page of these forums wouldn't be difficult, but it should be done in a way that this huge cluster of a thread is not the first thing people see.
Small, concise bites of positive information regarding updates, rollouts, new features, status, etc. on a regular basis. Hit it hard then drop it. Show people constant progress with a new headline subject line that they can chew on every week (or every few days or whatever), taking care not to tread into spam territory. Hammer and reinforce the main tenets of privacy, anonymity, security etc. and why we are different and better than any other coin on offer, in every new thread. While we're at it, direct as much traffic to darkcointalk as possible.
There is a lot of baggage (and a lot of good info, of course) in this thread. It's too big and too messy to expect a newcomer to digest.
-Chris
Yes, excellent idea to guide the conversation via changes in the header/title for the week. Actually, I don't think anyone has ever done that before. Something like totally obvious, like "this week, what do you see as the pros and cons of anonymity?" Something that guides the conversation toward why DRK is great "Ways to get storefronts to embrace DRK" If a subject seems exhausted, we could change it on a daily basis, but always guiding it, and maybe have a suggestion topic thread on Darkcointalk.org Right. "How Darkcoin's DarkSend feature achieves anonymity and why this is superior to xyz method." I would prefer an entirely new thread for each topic though. I suspect it would be easier to keep the discussion focused and it would give us a valid reason to hit different forums or subsections (depending on the particular topic) without looking like spam kiddies. Again, this is the sort of strategy discussion that should be kept behind closed doors until it's ready to be rolled out. The trouble is that this ANN forum is the most popular one and it takes less than 20 minutes of inactivity to fall off the front page. It's not trivial to stay on the front page as you're saying. If this becomes niche and darkcointalk dominates, then we'll be off it 90+% of the time, reducing the number of newcomers. I recommend using both equally. I think it's important to use both communities. DarkcoinTalk as a dedicated place for Darkcoin specifically, and here because the majority of cryptocurrency users look here first.
I agree. Finding and registering for another forum is a higher barrier than the size of this thread. Experience shows that many people just won't bother. |
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Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.
We can just rename it too, like what was done with PeerCoin. Some kind of monero or esperanto derivative. So far the initial distribution is very good -- reminds me a lot of Litecoin. I agree, we have a good thing going here. My earlier mention of network difficulty being 120k needs to be updated -- it's 191k as of an hour ago (equivalent to 380k BCN). This shows significant interest. The parameters are solid so the only sensible thing to change is the name, which can be done easily at this stage. Maybe TFT did acquire those domains and we're good to go... Also, I believe you said solo mining becomes hard at diff = 250k with a single CPU? We're almost there already. A pool implementation may be needed sooner than thought. |
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Wow, difficulty is going sky high today
Thanks to your trade yesterday giving it some initial seed value I wonder if the $2.50 I paid for that 100 BMR is worth more than the electricity it cost to mine that much. Higher difficulty is great. Fewer coins for us, but widespread distribution is the cornerstone of functioning exchange medium. |
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Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.
It had a pre-ann and no premine. One could argue launching without a GUI wallet was a poor idea but you can't actually trade with this currency yet. All you can do is mine to secure the network and that's overwhelmingly done by command line in all altcoins (cgminer, sgminer, etc.). Repeatedly relaunching isn't going to accomplish anything. This coin solved two of the most pressing issues: BCN's 80% mining in the deep web and BCN's extremely fast emission schedule. It also proved its worth by fixing the blockchain bug in BCN's latest release and acquiring 120k difficulty (equivalent to 240k in BCN) just a few days after launch. That said, I'd be in favor of a renaming. Bitmonero sounds alright after you hear it enough times, but there are more appealing names to English and Chinese speakers, who together form 90% of the market. No relaunch needed. All it would involve is renaming some files since no CN coin is actually on an exchange and we don't have a website. BitNote would actually be a great name -- it simultaneously shows affinity with CryptoNote from the name similarity and continues the proud ByteCoin tradition of having the same name as a dead coin (BNT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420341.0). We'd be BTN, of course.  |
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We gonna have new fork: HoneyPenny https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0I'm more and more inclined to think that these forks are made by Bytecoin/CN folks, looks like somebody gave them task to re-start BCN with fairer distribution. BCN has basically gigantic premine, it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, so it's not a surprise they are trying to fix it by releasing new currency. However they are doing it wrong with rushed releases like these, no logos, no promotion outside Bitcointalk and vague ANN posts comparing new coins with BCN in situation most people have no idea what BCN is... This one's devs refuses to state who they are but I don't think the other fork's dev (thankful_for_today) is connected to BCN or CN. He was here figuring things out with the rest of the folk. I agree that the announcements need to be more informative. |
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Services still needed:
- Official exchange
- Pool and open source pool software
- GUI wallet
- Faucet
I will try to work on GUI as I have time, I'm getting back into doing stuff for MC2
Add website to the list. It's a "service" in a way. HoneyPenny even has one ( http://honeypenny.org/).  |
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Off the top of my head: - Have this thread locked to all but eduffield and internetape, because it's basically a goatfuck at this point.
I strongly disagree with this. This forum is the epicenter of cryptocurrency discussion on the internet. When a coin moves off bitcointalk, it's usually the beginning of a slow death (the best exception to date has been DOGE, but they used another accessible platform, reddit). Many (most?) of us would not have found this coin if it wasn't for this thread and its high activity (which bumps it to the top). I agree with banning branding talk here, but not with shutting it down. |
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- Blockchain-based hash: unlike Bytecoin PoW hash, which works on 2MB scratchpad and takes avr 400 ms, new hash will work on blockchain random data to provide operation speed. We will use the same data primitives that are used when checking transactions in the block, to make it not slower compared to checking every transaction in the block.
This defeats the very purpose of CryptoNight. 2 MB is suitable for CPU L3 cache but too much for ASICs, making distribution more even because of accessibility. 400 ms is not a big deal since transaction speed is limited by the block time. - Donation-based сrowdfunding: the project will not have premine, instamine or other unfair launch. The project has open and transparent model of project financing: part of the emission (10%) is reserved for the development of the project, BUT the rate of emission of these coins will be сontroled by network participants (miners). Namely, miners will indicate the amount of coins to be given to developers in each block that they found. Maximum donation size for each block is determined by nominal donations formula, based on entire emission formula. This policy allows better communication between community and project development team. Finally if a miner is not happy - he can reduce donation to zero.
As a tribute to technology, we have fixed royalty percentage of donation, charged to the founders of Cryptonote.
I don't understand. You've given a number (10%) but also said it can be changed by miners. Is 10% the default that miners must deliberately change? Good luck with this fork and thanks for supporting merge-mining. I hope to see more CN coins.[/list] |
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New BCN clone: "HoneyPenny" (yes, really) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0Interesting changes to the PoW. Also seems to have 10% of every mined block going to devs? Wording is not clear. Props to them for actually putting anonymous and unlinkable in the thread title. A casual browser still would have no idea what BMR actually does. |
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