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481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What are the consumer risks by using bitcoins? [ACADEMIC] on: August 30, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
⚠ LOCAL RULE ⚠: No signature spammers will be tolerated. I will delete spam that will ensue. I have the right to decide which are spam and not. The purpose of this thread is for academic purpose and not for anything else.

I am writing a Legal and Business thesis paper about bitcoin and how it can be used by the public secured by a legal framework. I am stumped on my legal issue for my topic. So I'd like to ask the community for a bit of help.

A little background. In the Philippines there is no regulator framework that guides the use of bitcoins. What we have is just plainly a regulation issued by a government agency that is saying that Digital Currency exchanges should be registered with the Central Bank of the Philippines for purposes of checking for money laundering and anti-terrorist financing. There is no mention about anything that will involve the use of bitcoins in commercial activities.

In my paper, I would like to push for or convince regulators that we could implement bitcoins as something that could replace credit cards, debit cards, money remittances, payments, and all other financial systems. Not really replace though, but probably give the people a clear alternative. However, the legal issue is that since there is no legal framework, in case it will be used for commercial activities the buyer and sellers are not protected as there is no clear procedures to how they can be protected by law.

So that assumptions are,
A. Yes there is no legal framework for bitcoins to be used for commercial activities
B. Yes it must be regulated

My question is,

Since there is no legal framework and it must be regulated, so what?
What are the the consumer risks that poses a problem in the use of bitcoins in commercial activities that the law should address?


It would be better if you have sources to back up your answers. Looking forward to all of your responses. If you guys have any suggestions, feel free to post it.
482  Economy / Services / Re: EarnFreeCoin Signature Campaign - Jr member + Monthly payment - 4 month campaign on: August 29, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
Reduced spots, increased payouts.

This would still be a candidate for the lowest paying signature campaign in the forum.

$30 = 0.0065 btc

If equated,

0.0065 btc / 75 posts = 0.00008724BTC per post.

Oh well, good luck to you guys. I do hope someone will be willing to advertise for your cause.
483  Economy / Lending / Re: i need 10 btc as aloan on: August 29, 2017, 06:15:10 PM

484  Economy / Services / Re: EarnFreeCoin Signature Campaign - Jr member + Monthly payment - 4 month campaign on: August 29, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
So you are just paying

Jr Member: 3 spots - $6
Member: 3 spots - $7
Full Member: 3 spots - $8
Sr Member: 3 spots - $9
Hero: 2 spots - $12
Legendary: 2 spots - $13

per month? Not per post?

For a Sr Member, you are paying $9 for the whole month with 75 posts? If this was per post then people might consider, but if this is the monthly pay then you're really over your heads.

Yes well not my numbers, but, on the other side there aren't too many signature campaigns, and pretty hard to join any, so if people want some fairly passive/ supplementary earnings they can join this. And also to be fair no one is forced to join.

So basically you are paying 0.002 ($9) for a senior to post 75 posts per month? Which means that would be 0.000027BTC per post?
Well, I don't expect a faucet can earn that much but you might not really get anyone to advertise for you. That's pretty low. You guys might need to think about this again.
485  Economy / Services / Re: EarnFreeCoin Signature Campaign - Jr member + Monthly payment - 4 month campaign on: August 29, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
So you are just paying

Jr Member: 3 spots - $6
Member: 3 spots - $7
Full Member: 3 spots - $8
Sr Member: 3 spots - $9
Hero: 2 spots - $12
Legendary: 2 spots - $13

per month? Not per post?

For a Sr Member, you are paying $9 for the whole month with 75 posts? If this was per post then people might consider, but if this is the monthly pay then you're really over your heads.
486  Economy / Lending / Re: Need loan to buy new graphics card on: August 29, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
hi i want to loan to buy new graphics card for mining i will pay after a month i have free electricity i need 0.08 btc

Did you really think that someone will just blindly send you money because you said you have free electricity?
Offer collateral, or just GTFO.

STFU scammer bitch you GTFO HERE i have collateral

LOL you fucking scammer go away. You just wrote it after I pointed it out, you stupid fuck.
Also SIGT coins are shit coins that don't trade well. 3,000 SIGT coins are also just 0.03btc and your shitty iPhone 5s is shit all over the world that just cost about $60 or less which is just 0.014btc.

Your collateral is just 0.044btc? How the hell will you get a 0.08btc loan fucker? :/

will you stop spamming my post  bitch GTFO scammer loan shark bitch you just need attention go away ur casino BITDICE is a scam you will never win in a casino scumbag bullshit.

The only scammer here is you btw.

You really believe the shit you claim? You came here trying to scam for sure, you posted a loan request without collateral thinking someone will just fall for your ad and give you a loan? Well tough luck scammer, no one gives a loan here to scumbags like you. And you edited your post after I pointed out that you did not offer collateral, there is a record that you edit it if you didn't know. Then you did edit it, and you offer collateral way below what is required! Actually you offer collateral which is only half of what you are asking.

Why you still replying? How many times did i told you to stop spamming my post i will report you to the moderator, asshole scumbag casino bitch

I will not stop criticizing loan scammers on this forum, ever! Which you are part of.

Are you still hoping that anyone will give you a loan? LOL.

Just lock this stupid thread because no one will ever fall for your shit.

The lock button is on the lower left-hand side of your own thread.
487  Economy / Lending / Re: Need loan to buy new graphics card on: August 29, 2017, 04:05:53 PM
hi i want to loan to buy new graphics card for mining i will pay after a month i have free electricity i need 0.08 btc

Did you really think that someone will just blindly send you money because you said you have free electricity?
Offer collateral, or just GTFO.

STFU scammer bitch you GTFO HERE i have collateral

LOL you fucking scammer go away. You just wrote it after I pointed it out, you stupid fuck.
Also SIGT coins are shit coins that don't trade well. 3,000 SIGT coins are also just 0.03btc and your shitty iPhone 5s is shit all over the world that just cost about $60 or less which is just 0.014btc.

Your collateral is just 0.044btc? How the hell will you get a 0.08btc loan fucker? :/

will you stop spamming my post  bitch GTFO scammer loan shark bitch you just need attention go away ur casino BITDICE is a scam you will never win in a casino scumbag bullshit.

The only scammer here is you btw.

You really believe the shit you claim? You came here trying to scam for sure, you posted a loan request without collateral thinking someone will just fall for your ad and give you a loan? Well tough luck scammer, no one gives a loan here to scumbags like you. And you edited your post after I pointed out that you did not offer collateral, there is a record that you edit it if you didn't know. Then you did edit it, and you offer collateral way below what is required! Actually you offer collateral which is only half of what you are asking.
488  Economy / Lending / Re: Need loan to buy new graphics card on: August 29, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
hi i want to loan to buy new graphics card for mining i will pay after a month i have free electricity i need 0.08 btc

Did you really think that someone will just blindly send you money because you said you have free electricity?
Offer collateral, or just GTFO.

STFU scammer bitch you GTFO HERE i have collateral

LOL you fucking scammer go away. You just wrote it after I pointed it out, you stupid fuck.
Also SIGT coins are shit coins that don't trade well. 3,000 SIGT coins are also just 0.03btc and your shitty iPhone 5s is shit all over the world that just cost about $60 or less which is just 0.014btc.

Your collateral is just 0.044btc? How the hell will you get a 0.08btc loan fucker? :/
489  Economy / Lending / Re: Need loan to buy new graphics card on: August 29, 2017, 03:12:37 PM
hi i want to loan to buy new graphics card for mining i will pay after a month i have free electricity i need 0.08 btc

Did you really think that someone will just blindly send you money because you said you have free electricity?
Offer collateral, or just GTFO.
490  Economy / Lending / Re: [OPEN] ▞▞▞▞▞▞ ▨ L O N E ◎ S H A R K ◎ L O A N ▧ ▚▚▚▚▚▚ [OPEN] on: August 29, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
As we have discussed via PM,


Username: jamyr
Loan Amount: 0.02
Bitcoin Address: 1L7ejcZrzC3oRxtmrWv4KZbcvtdqTmkXjB
Number of days: 30
Collateral offered: None
bctalkaccountpricer.info link: https://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=icc8b7m


Thank you for your kindness sir!

-jamyr

Approved Loan Amount: 0.0200BTC

Loan Details:
  Principal                 0.0200BTC
  Base interest @ 0.60%/day 0.0039BTC
  Repayment amount           0.0239BTC
  =================================


Repayment deadline: Wednesday, 27 September 2017
Collateral:        


By signing the below message you agree to all terms and conditions of this loan.
Code:
I am jamyr. Today is 28.08.2017.

My receiving address: 1L7ejcZrzC3oRxtmrWv4KZbcvtdqTmkXjB
Repayment amount:  0.0239
Repayment date: 27.09.2017  
Repayment address: 1FiveeVyS6vJoxmLa3DxdEe8ZCNzafxUmV

Editted on 05:24 AM ; 08/29/2017

Address:
Code:
1JAMYRoaPiqK4PStwMpKyWH3S5x6DvHRM
Signature:
Code:
HCQvRC1z+xgwZ/xjRuBJr5b+Ef0rejcaeFMXQijPgExDeyc3rHiM5M5mJRLsBoPyfhcGT2AlJ+dzokbkcomG3+c=

Sir the last time I took the same loan amount from you the interest was .007,
And same period too.
Verified using https://tools.bitcoin.com/verify-message/.

Lending Status update:

Account Tagged
TX: https://blockchain.info/tx/d9f603e911b1c0bbb8ccd39d12d53e4bea8a5c12df3960a0e207a642571abf53

Repayment Status update:

Notes:  Wanted to bring interests down for long term and big loans. You can check the main page about it, I have a new matrix about interest.
491  Economy / Lending / Re: financial help on: August 29, 2017, 12:45:18 AM
i know.its a mistake.hope never happen too me and anyone ..iam covering up losses..only i have little  shortage ..iam here someone to give loan.I HAVE MUCH CONFIDENT IN MANAGING MY RISKs. if i get loan after someone reading it is fine. NO PROBLEM, if i donot get. iam look forward here for an oppurtunity

Really? After you lost 1 bitcoins, you are saying you are confident in managing your own risks? That's really hypocritical to say that, don't you think?
You won't get any from anyone. So again, GTFO.
492  Economy / Lending / Re: financial help on: August 28, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
guys, i lost almost 1 btc.i invested in most sites like trady.io,bitlake.biz,cryptodaily. HYIP SITES.. i got scammed.. so i need a helping hand of 0.1btc i have to cover losses...any one interested message me.. i need 3 weeks to repay loan of 0.1 btc

Yeah coz you are stupid to believe these fucking hyip sites will pay you shit tons of money every single day just because you invested in their site! What was their value proposition? "Oh, we will double your bitcoins because we invest in stocks ourselves and we found a way to consistently do a strategy that beats the system." Sound familiar?

You invested 1BTC for fucking scams? Well, I would say that it is your fault for falling for such lies.

No one will lend you bitcoins here. It is your first post here on the forum, and the first thing you do is ask for a loan? GTFO!
493  Economy / Services / Re: Service for solving google recaptcha in my browser? on: August 28, 2017, 04:25:26 PM
I found what I was searching!
Now at my browser recaptcha filling automatically! Smiley)))))) It cost 3$ for 1000 recaptcha (maybe more or less, need to test).
You need just buy credits on site anti-captcha.com, then there is plagin for Chrome and Firefox! And it will work!

This feels like you are supporting slavery though. Look at their webpage, this is how they show they have workers that fill the captcha for you.


Hm Smiley It quite strange picture.
But anyway. All people sitting online and working with captcha voluntarily.

And... there is big chance that this doing machine, some kind of script.

Was just kidding with the slavery. For sure these people voluntarily submitted themselves to solving captchas. I also tired using it, what I hate about it is that it solves every damned captcha that comes out. It is good and bad. Since I sometimes go on gambling sites and use their faucets, after claiming the faucets recaptcha comes out again and the app solves it again. I wish they have some sort of way that it will only solve a captcha when I click a button or something.
494  Economy / Lending / Re: [OPEN] ▞▞▞▞▞▞ ▨ L O N E ◎ S H A R K ◎ L O A N ▧ ▚▚▚▚▚▚ [OPEN] on: August 28, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
As we have discussed via PM,


Username: jamyr
Loan Amount: 0.02
Bitcoin Address: 1L7ejcZrzC3oRxtmrWv4KZbcvtdqTmkXjB
Number of days: 30
Collateral offered: None
bctalkaccountpricer.info link: https://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=icc8b7m


Thank you for your kindness sir!

-jamyr

Approved Loan Amount: 0.0200BTC

Loan Details:
  Principal                 0.0200BTC
  Base interest @ 0.60%/day 0.0039BTC
  Repayment amount          0.0239BTC
  =================================


Repayment deadline: Wednesday, 27 September 2017
Collateral:         


By signing the below message you agree to all terms and conditions of this loan.
Code:
I am jamyr. Today is 28.08.2017.

My receiving address: 1L7ejcZrzC3oRxtmrWv4KZbcvtdqTmkXjB
Repayment amount:  0.0239
Repayment date: 27.09.2017 
Repayment address: 1FiveeVyS6vJoxmLa3DxdEe8ZCNzafxUmV
495  Economy / Lending / Re: [No Collateral] Loan of 0.01BTC on: August 28, 2017, 02:14:40 PM
Hello bitcointalk! I currently have around 0.025BTC owed to zazarb, and i need 0.01 BTC additional but he is not willing to take the risk.
This loan will be non-collateral for 14 days, as well no collateral will be offered.
Loan will be requested to the staked address which is:
Code:
1onnz4cetY6CqCVEUoTYkURMS8AfBgDg8

Signature campaign payments will be used to pay this off.
You can offer equilevant on alts as well, to save on the fees.
If using alts, signed message will be provided.

How bout I give you a loan to pay off zazarb and that 0.01?
I'll send the 0.025 for payment to zazarb and the 0.01 to your address.

Can you share the link to you current loans?

Hey here are the messages, one loan is on doge so we can convert the doge to BTC on current rates (I remembered the wrong amount, still about the same sum):

My message about the latest repayment date, yet no answer. (Got the agreed interest as well +10%)
This is the doge one
This is the BTC one

Thank you for your reply LS, let me know if i need to make a post on your thread as well.



So you have a loan of 0.025 + 10%  for extension interest (or 0.0275)? It might be expensive to pay zazarb the 10% interest and then I would be charging new interest on  that 0.0275.

Maybe you can ask zazarb how much you should pay today on your current loan and I will refinance that loan for you.

You can also add that 0.01 additional loan too.
496  Economy / Lending / Re: [No Collateral] Loan of 0.01BTC on: August 28, 2017, 01:35:39 PM
Hello bitcointalk! I currently have around 0.025BTC owed to zazarb, and i need 0.01 BTC additional but he is not willing to take the risk.
This loan will be non-collateral for 14 days, as well no collateral will be offered.
Loan will be requested to the staked address which is:
Code:
1onnz4cetY6CqCVEUoTYkURMS8AfBgDg8

Signature campaign payments will be used to pay this off.
You can offer equilevant on alts as well, to save on the fees.
If using alts, signed message will be provided.

How bout I give you a loan to pay off zazarb and that 0.01?
I'll send the 0.025 for payment to zazarb and the 0.01 to your address.

Can you share the link to you current loans?
497  Economy / Services / Re: Needed a user to BUMP a thread [$2 / month] on: August 26, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
Hello,

I needed a user to bump my thread manually or through BOT.

User must have:
- Green trust
- Sr. Member or Hero Member
- Have to post BUMP in a thread as reply everyday, must follow the forum rules
- Payment method: BTC



NOTE: Only 1 user needed and I can pay $2 a month and PAYMENT CAN ONLY BE MADE AFTER THE MONTH.



There is a bump bot somewhere in the forum. I wasn't able to save the link but you can just search for it at the digital goods sections, maybe you'll find it there.
498  Economy / Lending / Re: [OPEN] ▞▞▞▞▞▞ ▨ L O N E ◎ S H A R K ◎ L O A N ▧ ▚▚▚▚▚▚ [OPEN] on: August 26, 2017, 03:32:23 PM
Hi sharky,
Per our discussion via pm.

Loan Amount: 0.022
Bitcoin Address: 3KspKgdjq8wqH2ia173EhboRHugk436gjK
Number of days: 30
Collateral offered: My account
Optional Service: Wanted to use my account so I can still be paid from signature campaign.

P.S.

0.02 will be to pay a loan I have with condoras.
Next time please use the new format for posting applications. It's on the main thread.

I actually don't accept accounts anymore. Anyway, I once gave you a 0.027btc no collateral loan before so I don't think we would have any problems with 0.022btc. However, I don't have funds on me right now, and I am still waiting on some of them to confirm. I will have them probably tomorrow.

My bad sharky.

Sorry for not following the proper format, my brain could just be very occupied when I posted that request.
Thank you for being my only hope of being able to repay my loan with you-know-who.
Will look forward tomorrow.

-jamyr Smiley

Yeah, currently still out of funds right now. I might probably get some if my campaign pays us or I can increase the limits on my poloniex, so my funds are all tied up right now. Sorry, if you want I can talk to condoras about it, send me a pm about it.
499  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Page to buy bitcoin with flexible transaction fees? on: August 26, 2017, 03:10:09 PM
I am talking about the transactions fees (sorry I am new and thus not so precise yet). I used bitpanda.de and I had to pay 0,00110400  BTC which was about 4 Euro (4.8 USD) fee for one transaction to the wallet on my laptop. If it is really that expensive, I could just stick with my bank. Thus I found this page: http://bitcoinfees.21.co/ with which I could optimize my transaction fees, but I realized that not all wallets (I am using Exodus which is not that flexible. So I am searching another wallet as well) or online platforms allow adapting the fee. I saw that coinbase.com allows it, but it doesn't work with german accounts.

Bitcoin.de is some kind of market place where you can buy bitcoins from other people, which takes forever and is cumbersome. I want to have some kind of shop or virtual bank, where I can just go and "change" money instantly (like bitpanda.de), but with adaptable transaction fees.
I just checked simplecoin.eu. The minimum amount of Euro to buy bitcoins for is 191€!! I want to start small to get a feeling first.

[Suspicious link removed] and Electrum.org are wallets. The first seems to be an online wallet the latter a downloadable local wallet. Maybe the transaction fees could be changed (which I will check later), but I cannot buy bitcoins there.

Any other suggestions?

(As a side question: If you set the transaction fee too low, and it actually takes too long, can you somehow cancel that transaction and try again with a higher fee? Or is your money really lost?)


1. There are services that you can just deposit convert then withdraw. That just depends on your country if there are any there. I believe you can use GDAX, if am not mistaken. You can send using SEPA. Not very familiar with the process though, since I haven't tried and I am not from the EU.
Bonus: I believe Kraken can also do this too. Not sure though how you will deposit there. Just do your research.

2. You can't set custom fees if you are using online wallets, exchange sites (such as GDAX, Poloniex, Bittrex, Kraken, etc.). They fix their own transaction/miner's fees.

3.The only way you can optimize fees or set a custom one is using your own non-online wallet like electrum, bitcoin-qt, armory, etc. However, the problem goes back to, how can you get bitcoins first? Then you will have to submit yourself back to those services that set large enough fees so that you transactions pushes through quickly.

4. If you somehow were able to put some bitcoins in your electrum wallet, yes you can set a low fee. You can actually set 0 fees, if you want. It may confirm, but it is more likely that it will not. It is not lost, since you can still accelerate it, the child pays for the parent (research this if you are interested, it's quite complicated), or finally it gets dropped from the memory pool of the network and the bitcoins go back to its original wallet.

Tip: To save on fees. Here are some steps,

1. Try to buy bitcoins from an exchange like Kraken.
2. Convert your bitcoins to some other cryptocurrency like doge or anything that has really low price per coin (which is also available on poloniex)
3. Then move that cryptocurrency to poloniex.
4. Convert it back to bitcoins,
5. Then you can withdraw the bitcoin for 0.0001BTC fee to any bitcoin address.

Short explanation: Kraken has high fees to move bitcoins, poloniex has only 0.0001BTC fees. Doge coin probably charge 0.001 doge to move, but that's really cheap when translated to btc.
500  Economy / Services / Re: Escrow Needed... Will Pay 2% Fee. on: August 26, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
So you are paying in Skrill but you want the Escrow to send you btc? That's a crazy deal you want. Skrill is also a reversible payment option and no one will accept it from you.

I would accept to be your escrow, but I will only accept btc to be escrowed and btc as payment with minimum of 1mbtc for my service.
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