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501  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 20, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
Right, I cleared up the issue as to whether the roving 1-2 Ph/s was comprised of 13 rigs, aka the 10Ph/s thresh-hold being the major weight responsible for the measly 13% .... I hope you follow. Anyway, here are my interim conclusions.
1. I am not sure I can refer to the roving 1-2 Ph/s as such anymore, seeing th pool's natural rate has shifted to around 9.5 Ph/s (-+5%), else the pool would then be at 10.5-11.5 Ph/s, which it has not breached consistently.... still following ...?
2. I am convinced that the 10 Ph/s thresh-hold is not material in itself, rather that the offending (seemingly pool hopping) hash rate is strategically deployed using load balancing, resulting in work being discarded / omitted when it most possibly have the golden nonce. (I am actually not sure about the logic in this one, but hey, that's my thinking!)
3. Finally, I am also convinced, having monitored kano.is during our last long barren spell, that their luck drastically improved during that time. I have never seen them be so lucky (which they might have been), that I nearly pointed my rigs there again. The punchline to all this is that this roving hash-rate seems to be load-balancing between slush and kano.is and sucking all the luck from here.
Having said that, I can confirm that I had to come to terms with the fact that I had no chance of solving the immensly cryptic task of establishing with utter certainity whether the previously aptly named 1-2 Ph/s roving hash rate was being pumped out by 13 rigs. Having weighed all options up, I decided one conspiracy theory was enough to deal with than adding another on top.
502  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread on: February 20, 2015, 03:03:39 PM
Hmm it atleast did something, now multipool is showing that I'm hashing over at over 500GH/S speed Cheesy
Yep, thought so. You are now submitting shares more frequently so the pool has enough data to more accurately estimate and report your rate.
503  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread on: February 20, 2015, 02:49:19 PM
I just lowered my diff, we will see what happens. Im using multipool.us so not mining only bitcoin, does that affect how much?
If you are mining other coins or the pool is setting your diff, then it may be OK, but 4096 certainly is too high for mining BTC on an S3 (especially on a pool). In the final analysis, you should earn the same as the earnings are weighted by the share size, but you will end up submitting fewer shares in the same timespan than if your diff was lower (e.g 400), and your rejects / stales are going to be un-necessarily expensive. Infact, that may explain your earlier lower pool reported rate.
504  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread on: February 20, 2015, 02:08:41 PM
Yea might be. Thanks a lot for the help! : )
Saying that, your diff is quite high for an S3 .... unless ofcourse you are solo-mining, or not mining just bitcoin.
505  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread on: February 20, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
My antminer shows in the miner status page that its hashing at 474GH/S, although in Multipool it only shows 381,16GH/s. Any ideas why?
I hope that is the AVG rather than the 5s rate you are stating there and would explain the difference as a result of stale / rejected shares and HW errors .... I'd hazard a guess that the difference is greatly accounted for by stales / rejects though. You most likely have a high latency connection to the pool which results rejected shares .... thus the difference in hash-speed
http://i.gyazo.com/534f036306633f45a27a4312378859a6.png

Nope, thats not the 5s avg :-/

E: Now it shows over 400GH/S in multipool site too. Don't know what was wrong earlier Tongue
Most likely when it was showing a lower rate on the pool you'd hit a patch of rejects (as your stales look normal)
506  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 20, 2015, 12:01:46 PM
Antpool jumped to 56.30 PH/s  (https://www.antpool.com/home.htm), which could be one of the reasons for poor performance at the smaller pools.

Cheers

@kabopar - what was it hashing at before the jump? It may be the case that bitmain are testing a new rig with the new BM1384 chips (could even be newer ones!) ..... I am expecting a new product from bitmain at the end of the Chinese new year celebration holidays on or soon after the 25th Feb.
507  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread on: February 20, 2015, 11:38:37 AM
My antminer shows in the miner status page that its hashing at 474GH/S, although in Multipool it only shows 381,16GH/s. Any ideas why?
I hope that is the AVG rather than the 5s rate you are stating there and would explain the difference as a result of stale / rejected shares and HW errors .... I'd hazard a guess that the difference is greatly accounted for by stales / rejects though. You most likely have a high latency connection to the pool which results rejected shares .... thus the difference in hash-speed
508  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 19, 2015, 06:02:11 PM
Now that's up I better add that to my computations .... 10.2 Ph/s .... 19hrs
509  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 19, 2015, 12:56:17 AM
Anyway, to keep on with my number crunching, I thought I'd continue my comparison but this time for only the blocks found when the pool hashing rate was above 9 Ph/s as with the 13 rigs' roving 1-2 Ph/s there was a more realistic chance of crossing that 10 Ph/s thresh-hold that seems to suck the blocks from the pool, and here goes:

November 2014 - today above 9 Ph/s: 354 blocks)
155 blocks - Less than 9.8 Ph/s
199 blocks - Above 9.8 Ph/s

Just noticed something else, 132 of the 199 blocks found (~66%) when the pool was hashing above 9.8 Ph/s (aka blocks with a difficulty of 40640955016 and 39457671307) were found between 17th Dec 2014 and 12th Jan 2015 (thats ~ a 3 week window).
510  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 11:58:28 PM
At this point, I do not care what you think or know, even whether you might have a point. You've adequately demonstrated to me (thus far today), that your opinion is worth disregarding in its entirity.
If you can confirm either way whether the roving hash-rate is from 13 rigs, that would be your time spent well.
Fair enough. Please feel free to add me to your ignore list if it will help with your disregarding.

Hey Mr. Teal, can I ask you a favour?

When you quote pekatete I get to see what he has written even though he one of a very few I have on ignore.

So would you mind not quoting him? I get sufficient stupid in my day already.


You are so full of yourself and clearly full of self importance. And yeah, the ignore button is a good option for the feeble minded, like yourself, and those that believe its only their opinion that matters. But that you get enough stupidity in your day already should sum you up nicely (and I know you are reading this ..... you just can't resist!).

Anyway, to keep on with my number crunching, I thought I'd continue my comparison but this time for only the blocks found when the pool hashing rate was above 9 Ph/s as with the 13 rigs' roving 1-2 Ph/s there was a more realistic chance of crossing that 10 Ph/s thresh-hold that seems to suck the blocks from the pool, and here goes:

November 2014 - today above 9 Ph/s: 354 blocks)
155 blocks - Less than 9.8 Ph/s
199 blocks - Above 9.8 Ph/s
511  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 09:46:40 PM
Fair enough. Please feel free to add me to your ignore list if it will help with your disregarding.
Don't be silly, I do what I want on my end .... (see, there you go again!)
512  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH on: February 18, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
That was 33 days from out of the box to reboot.
Same here, had it running without a hitch for weeks, and a couple of days ago, I noticed it had halved hash-rate. Did a software reboot and all was OK until I noticed the same yesterday ... another software reboot and its fine thus far. A bit worrying if you are not keeping an eye on it though ....
513  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 09:23:53 PM
Seeing I have not yet been able to confirm that the roving 1-2Ph/s is generated from 13 rigs, I took another delve into the stats. Rather than analyse the data without considering the two factors that I have been led to believe are important, i.e hash power and difficulty (I discarded luck as un-important), here's what I have based on difficulty.
Ok, but how much time was spent at each hash rate tier within those difficulty levels?
Quote
Diff: 44455415962 (total: 42 blocks)
1. 16 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
2. 20 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
4. 7 - Above 10 Ph/s
If 50% of the hashes are submitted while the pool is over 10PH/s but only 1/6 of the blocks are found in that period, something might be wrong. If the pool only spent 1/6th of the time at that level, then the numbers your seeing are what you'd expect.
At this point, I do not care what you think or know, even whether you might have a point. You've adequately demonstrated to me (thus far today), that your opinion is worth disregarding in its entirity.
If you can confirm either way whether the roving hash-rate is from 13 rigs, that would be your time spent well.
514  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 09:06:35 PM
Seeing I have not yet been able to confirm that the roving 1-2Ph/s is generated from 13 rigs, I took another delve into the stats. Rather than analyse the data without considering the two factors that I have been led to believe are important, i.e hash power and difficulty (I discarded luck as un-important), here's what I have based on difficulty.

Diff: 44455415962 (total: 42 blocks)
16 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
20 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
7 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 41272873894 (total: 61 blocks)
58 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
2 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
1 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 43971662056 (total: 48 blocks)
46 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
0 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
2 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 40640955016 (total: 69 blocks)
0 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
1 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
68 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 39457671307 (total: 73 blocks)
4 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
5 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
64 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 40007470271 (total: 69 blocks)
17 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
16 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
36 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 40300030327 (total: 68 blocks)
63 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
4 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
1 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 39603666252 (total: 77 blocks)
76 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
1 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
0 - Above 10 Ph/s

 ----------------------

Diff: 35985640265 (total: 18 blocks)
18 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
0 - Between 9.5 Ph/s AND 10 Ph/s
0 - Above 10 Ph/s

Finally a dicotomous comparison of the data from November 2014 to today total: 526 blocks.

298 - Less than 9.5 Ph/s
228 - Above 9.5 Ph/s

EDIT: looks like we had our time with the 10 Ph/s threshhold when the difficulty was 40640955016 and 39457671307. Since then, our luck has depleted at that rate ..... there must be a pattern to it, but seeing I only have a sample size of 526 (not enough to be relied on ... I think minimum should be 2000), I'll have to concentrate on establishing whether that roving hash-rate is from 13 rigs!
515  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
It doesn't, but then I really don't expect it to. Neither does yours. However if I were to set about about to show that the pool was having issues scaling, I would try and do so in a way that actually shed some light on the issue. Feel free to do so however you want, but I will point out that the numbers you posted are useless just so they don't confuse anyone else.

PS - Did you know that this pool found zero blocks in the first half of 2014 when the pool hashrate was above 10TH/s? Seems pretty clearcut to me there's a scaling issue somewhere.

You are not a legend for nothing .... you truly are pushing your point on the pretext that I (even bigtime) do believe there is an issue here (be that with / without scaling or something else sinister) ... seriously? You even have the time to context this in the first half of 2014 (be it the 10Th/s rate)?
So tell me then, what does it take to be a 4 star general on bitcointalk?
516  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
If you really want to analyze it, please at least do so in a way that makes sense. Saying there were X number of blocks at >10PH/s vs Y blocks at <10PH/s in a given period is a relatively useless measurement.
Take the numbers from whatever period you want (say everything from the start of December onward), calculate the luck for each block solved, then group them along whatever cutoff you want. Then it's just a matter of looking at the data and pulling trends out that support your preconceived bias.
Your legendary status precedes you!
While you are still basking in it, pull your finger out and post your own numbers that, apparently, make sense (you patronising so and so!)
I don't really care enough to bother, I've never seen anything at Slush that suggests a problem. If, like our good friends bigbitmine and rpandassociates, you want assert that there is a fundamental problem with the pool that keeps it from scaling over 10PH/s it's on you to show that the problem isn't just an invention of your imagination.

If you do not care enough to bother, then what use would it serve for me (or anyone) to prove your percieved lack of a fundamental problem or otherwise, as the case may be? Or is it the case that you really believe that your opinion matters?
517  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 06:37:38 PM
If you really want to analyze it, please at least do so in a way that makes sense. Saying there were X number of blocks at >10PH/s vs Y blocks at <10PH/s in a given period is a relatively useless measurement.
Take the numbers from whatever period you want (say everything from the start of December onward), calculate the luck for each block solved, then group them along whatever cutoff you want. Then it's just a matter of looking at the data and pulling trends out that support your preconceived bias.
Your legendary status precedes you!
While you are still basking in it, pull your finger out and post your own numbers that, apparently, make sense (you patronising so and so!)
518  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 06:23:14 PM
That you failed read the entire post in context and thus also failed to decipher the sacarsm in that is only testament to you being new here ...!

I was only able to get data for the period 2015-01-08 18:50:01 to 2015-02-18 13:15:21 (i.e the last block) and we have:

I could not get the December numbers, but that is neither here nor there as my numbers are NOT claims, but I can honestly say yours are just that ... because I could not get hold of them when I tried!

I have numbers from October onwards from Slush, BTC Guild and Eligius, which I have copied from the pools and pasted into a spread sheet, so my numbers are not claims, just facts that you did not have to hand  Wink

Been mining on Slush for a couple of years, I just don't post much so rather than newbie I would say I am just quiet - and sick of conspiracy theories based on no hard evidence, so I broke silence to add some facts to the equation.

However I have no argument with anyone and since I did indeed fail to spot your sarcasm, I will slink back into the shadows and let the usual contributors continue the song and dance show.

Cheers n beers

HP

Fair enough if you are the quiet one ... (there must be a reason why but thats for another day).
So, if you have the numbers from Slush dating back from October (I assume that is last year), then you'd know without any doubt that my numbers are NOT claims at all, rather facts. That, of course, is on the premise that you engaged your brain before posting to rubbish my numbers, which in this case you certainly did not (and may explain why you'd chosen to be quiet previously!).
Honestly, get off your perch!
519  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 05:09:09 PM
But then again, you might be onto something ..... if you look at the numbers from your assertion, they tell us:

142 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was below 10 Ph/s
23 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was above 10 Ph/s

Statistics and numbers can always be used or misused to prove or disprove a point, so here are some more numbers for you...

In December, 107 blocks were found above 10PH and only 55 found whilst below 10PH, which is a little different to the 142:23 ratio claimed in the posts above.

Cheers n beers

HP

Now, I am not usually a supersticious person, but that 13 in the above 10 Ph/s does put the conspiracy theories on the back burner ..... what do you think? And if it turns out that the 1-2 Ph/s roving hashpower that seems to affect our block solving capacity is made up of 13 rigs, that would be something!

That you failed read the entire post in context and thus also failed to decipher the sacarsm in that is only testament to you being new here ...!

I was only able to get data for the period 2015-01-08 18:50:01 to 2015-02-18 13:15:21 (i.e the last block) and we have:

I could not get the December numbers, but that is neither here nor there as my numbers are NOT claims, but I can honestly say yours are just that ... because I could not get hold of them when I tried!
520  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: February 18, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
I'd rather look at it on the face of it rather than compartmentalise this based on months .... aside from the difficulty mined in certain periods, there is nothing to make a month's period any special to the bitcoin network. So here goes ...

I was only able to get data for the period 2015-01-08 18:50:01 to 2015-02-18 13:15:21 (i.e the last block) and we have:

53 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was below 9 Ph/s
66 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was above 9 Ph/s BUT below 9.5 Ph/s
23 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was above 9.5  BUT less than 10 Ph/sPh/s
23 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was above 10 Ph/s


True, When it hits the 10PH mark the blocks stop for regular users and the clock keeps running.  However, behind the scenes a select VIP elite group are actually getting the same regular block times the rest of us were enjoying and splitting the rewards between them.  Once they've creamed enough they then drop the hash rate below 10PH which synchronizes the system and the extra long block ends and normal service resumes.

Yes, I am crazy and I am aware I have opened the floodgates.
If you actually believe that drivel and think the pool op is actively screwing you, why don't you move elsewhere?

Because I don't ACTUALLY believe that you bellend.

But then again, you might be onto something ..... if you look at the numbers from your assertion, they tell us:

142 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was below 10 Ph/s
23 Blocks where the Pool Scoring Hash Rate was above 10 Ph/s

That is, during the period 8th Jan 2015 - 18th Feb 2015, the pool found ~86% of the blocks when the pool was hashing below 10 Ph/s and only 13% when the pool was hashing above 10 Ph/s.
Now, I am not usually a supersticious person, but that 13 in the above 10 Ph/s does put the conspiracy theories on the back burner ..... what do you think? And if it turns out that the 1-2 Ph/s roving hashpower that seems to affect our block solving capacity is made up of 13 rigs, that would be something!
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