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761  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 23, 2014, 04:49:18 PM
Has anyone actually verified that changing the voltage lowers the  watts at the wall?
Yes it has been checked, and NO it does not lower watts at the wall. EDIT though in theory it should......

pekatete
Any ideas on this one.

I have 4 x S3 antminers . I had the 10/24 firmware on them seems like MY GHS was dropping from 450 to 340+ but never going back up to 450 or even close any ideas. When I reboot the GHS jumps back up for about 10-12HRs then back down again. All set at s3+ default 225. I changed the voltage to 0770. I just installed Doges firmware on one of them to try it. Any one has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Thanks
I am neither an expert at these things nor an electrical engineer, so take my opinion on that basis.
1. How are you powering them, i.e what PSU's and are you sharing the PSU's between rigs?
2. Are you connecting the PSU's to the same socket / extension, if so, try to separate them.
762  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 23, 2014, 04:41:22 PM
Has anyone actually verified that changing the voltage lowers the  watts at the wall?
Yes it has been checked, and NO it does not lower watts at the wall. EDIT though in theory it should......
763  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: December 23, 2014, 04:37:33 PM
FYI
Anyone looking to add hash, SP20 GB went up today, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903286.new#new
What is wrong with a minimum order of 1? Are they trying to be bitmain?
764  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 23, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
Problem: Power supply shutdown suddenly with in 5 mins of starting miner.

What is your exact PSU?

below is screen shot of psu

<snip img> ... </snip img>

That PSU provides just 432 watts on the two 12v rails. that represents 72% of the rated wattage. If you are OC'ing, that is the reason why it is shutting down, else it probably has a fault EDIT or as has been stated above, the PCI-e connectors are on one rail.
I use a 550 watt server PSU, but that has 44.5 Amps on three 12v rails, giving me 534 watts i.e 97% of the rated wattage on the 12v rails
765  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 23, 2014, 02:57:04 AM
All three OC experiments failed.  Both of the other units I tried 250/0750 with looked fantastic for the first hour, then slid into slow decline without any symptoms other than declining hashrate.  They bottomed out at about 430 after 12 hours.  Reverting to stock and taking a break!

I am not by any means disputing your results as that would be futile, however if I may point out my experience with S3's, it is very rare that you find any two units hashing the same, even when using similar freq & voltage settings, PSU and connected to the same pool.

In your case however, that you have experienced the same wall of performance after the first hour, and that happening on most of your units, leads me to believe the issue must be local to your setup.

My first instinct was a heat / temperature problem, however, you seem to discount this as a possibility, and that the units run as normal on stock frequencies seems to justify that. I am not completely sold though since I have never run an S3 variant at temps as high as yours. Before the season change and my moving my rigs outside, I had them all running the fans at full pelt, aka blue wire hack, which kept the temps low, and now that the seasons have changed and my rigs reside in the garden, my temps are a lot lower.

My second guess is how you are powering your rigs. Though you appear to have the right PSU's, this may be a cause if you have them all plugged into the same extension lead. They may not trip your circuit, but they will compete for power, especially if you are running them off a 110v circuit.

If you choose to attempt the OC again, I wish you luck, but I think in your instance I have given as much help as I possibly can, bearing in mind I am neither an engineer nor an electrician.
766  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on December 27th on: December 22, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
Would be nice if Bitmain re-introduced the option to ship via / with EMS - I am sure it will be a lot cheaper than UPS (and obviously DHL). I know they are not as fast as the other behemoths, but we'd be selecting them in that knowledge.

I just went to their site and it was listed as an option with UPS and DHL for S3 orders. Should be the same with s5s

You are right, they must have re-ntroduced them lately ..... and they are NOT cheaper than UPS for the C1, so looks like will be the same for the S5. Bummer! Seems UPS are Bitmain's preffered shipper ...

Bitmain, could you register as a VAT collection point for shipments to the EU? Would be nice to pay my VAT with the order and not have to deal with your preffered shipper's (UPS) archaic tax processing methods!

I mean, these guys did not send me an invoice and neither did they notify me nor offer me the opportunity to pay due VAT until the van driver turned up on my door and asked me for either a cheque (yes a check in this day and age!) or to phone their office so I could pay via card before he could hand over my S3+'s!
767  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on December 27th on: December 22, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
Would be nice if Bitmain re-introduced the option to ship via / with EMS - I am sure it will be a lot cheaper than UPS (and obviously DHL). I know they are not as fast as the other behemoths, but we'd be selecting them in that knowledge.
768  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 22, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
You probably did a power cycle on the rig! Do a warm reboot via SSH and that should clear your avg figures ....

Well I've SSH'd in and rebooted. I'll give it an hour. Otherwise back to October firmware, it was working really well for me. Does the December firmware cross platforms with the S3+?

Your avg numbers should be good now ...... Its something I noticed a while back whenever I did a power cycle, but when the system cleanly reboots the numbers are OK. That is a remnant of the initial Oct firmware bugs, and to be honest I'd rather they did not try and fix it as we've seen what they are capable of in terms of fixing minor bugs in their firmware!
769  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 22, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
^^^
When you upload to postimg.com, get the Direct link, either by copying it to the clipboad or selecting and copying from the box on the left (highlighted below)

770  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 11:58:10 AM
It took longer, but 250/0750 also a dead end.  Over 500 first hour, then down.  After 3h down to 485 average, 458 last hour on the pool.  All "o" on the chips and only 1 HW.  Dropping to 243/0750 for the next run.


243/0750 also a dead end, dropped to 4h running average of 471, with last hour on the pool at 449.  Trying 237/0750.

I also started playing with the slowest of the others (225 for 453, no voltage change).  Trying 250/0750, and so far 2 hours in it is rock solid at the expected 504.  Not going to count those chickens, will see what it looks like tomorrow.

237 was repeated "x" from chips over four reboots, so bailed.  231 was 428 over an hour at the pool, also bailed.  That unit just doesn't want to OC.  Reverted to 225/no-volt.

Other unit, however, continues to hum along at 504 after 5h.  I do not understand these things.

I noticed that repeated x's clear when you restart cgminer e.g via the System Start Up tab (which also happens when you Save & Apply settings) - just saying so you can reduce your restart / reboot cycle length.

Been said a lot of times. S3's are the same, but different ..... most of the S3 variants in my stable run best at different settings, and those with the same settings, on the same pool, over the same connection produce differing results! So there goes.
771  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 22, 2014, 10:42:43 AM
Real BITMAIN quality I see look like cheap Chinese labor!!!!

As far as the New Firmware posted on this forum its stable for me.


Trying to insert a image of my status page but don't know how I am still new to this forum.

that's all I get Huh

Save your image on the desktop, then go to postimg.com, browse for the saved file & upload it there, copy the direct link, paste it here  and then put the image tag around that link, voilla!
772  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: December 22, 2014, 10:27:05 AM
I'm sorry to say, It looks like I'm getting the same instability, that came from the latest firmware. Hash rates are dropping, and fluctuating, I'm down to 800Gh/s, even on one round it was recorded at 500 GH/s, so either network issue as mentioned above, or the hashing part of the firmware isn't correct.
Can someone advise as to whether it is worth putting in something into voltage section like : "0.8"
I have a solid 1200W running two S3's, which used to run three S3's at 450GH/s each for months until this stupid firmware.

Nothing to do with hashing changed on this version, so its likely something on your end. Else, the feedback looks pretty good and I'll open it up to a wider release.

Has anyone else been giving the @dogie firmware a try for the last coupe of days?Huh
How's your hash rate?
I really think I have to go back to October firmware, and I'm down 200-300Gh/s over three S3's. Exactly the same setup, in the same place, with the same hardware, with the same internet connection (Once your setup you don't really move things). I have older S3's, but I don't know batch.

My 5s average is 450Gh/s which is about right,  but my average  is 250GH/s which is not right.

You probably did a power cycle on the rig! Do a warm reboot via SSH and that should clear your avg figures ....
773  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 01:55:18 AM
Sorry, missed this post.  I will try 275/0800 after we see what happens with 250/0750.  My procedure lately is to put in freq/volt, save & apply, power cycle, then system/reboot.  I added on the last step after just a power cycle would result in bad stats in Miner Status.

I used to have that issue (and always had to do an SSH reboot after a power cycle). Of late, though, it seems to have been fixed .... all I did once is before I rebooted via SSH, I first went into the System -> Start Up tab and stopped cgminer, then entered reboot in the SSH window. Now the stats are OK after a brutal power cycle .... (but I was called names when I mentioned the stats problem on this forum!)

Have you tried OC on an S3+ with factory thermal paste?  The six I am working with are untouched.  So if it is a chip-level thermal problem that is not reported to the sw, then I guess that could explain the difference here.

I did OC one S3+ before I redid the paste which worked OK at 262.5 (which was the only "good" freq I had at the time). I now redo all the S3's I get by, at the very least, putting heat-pads on the chips, so for now all have been "modded" if you like.
774  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 01:44:27 AM
New test run started: 1024 firmware, 250/0750, queue left at stock, cgminer left at stock.  Only change to stock is the additional options in cgminer.lua, which do not change the 250 values.
OK, I need to catch up on my sleep ..... getting to 2am where I am so I'll pick up from where you got to in a several hours' time.
775  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 01:35:32 AM
On the one test unit, I will now try 250/0750, hardware reset then software reset.  Will see what happens!  One thing I am wondering is if we are triggering an internal chip overheat of some kind, that throttles it back but doesn't report a bunch of failures.  So we try to push them harder, and they actually go slower.  But I'm just guessing at this point.

Its your rig, but I'd try 275/0800 first. Simply enter the voltage, save and apply then do a power cycle.
On pushing them harder if they are going to throttle back without showing any outward sign ..... that is the question.
776  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 01:30:04 AM
<snip> .... </snip> But I would also expect the symptoms you describe with an overheat, and I'm not seeing them.  No increasing temps, no "x"s on the chips, HW errors still negligible.  Fan speeds are dropping, now 1800-1900, down from 2200-2300.  So the unit is getting cooler as it slows down. .... <snip> ... </snip>

There, my friend, is the sign you are looking for!

Fan speeds dropping ... unit is getting cooler

That means there are some chips that have gone offline! EDIT: Either that, or the chips are not getting work ..... now you see how that the queue argument was formented in my mind?
777  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 01:11:33 AM

Here's where that came from, ckolivas's recommendation when he released the S3 binary I am currently using on the OC unit:
Here's an updated S3 binary.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s3/4.6.1-141020/cgminer

Recommended if you're mining on p2pool for the default binary actually discards stale shares which you should never do, especially on p2pool. Also includes changes to queuing and memory usage that were necessary on S4 but probably only of minor benefit here. Recommend you edit the cgminer startup script to remove the --queue value entirely, and add --lowmem. Performance should be pretty much unchanged.

Death spiral on the OC unit definitive now, average down to 523 GH/s.  All chips good with "o", still just the 3 HW errors, temps 42/38.  This would bother me less if I had some explanation for what is happening.

On the queue, I'll take ckolivas' word over what I may recall ...

And yes, that is more like a death spiral, too damn right! I'd have expected it to be flashing x's all over + an increase in HW errors at this point, but then again the new binaries support that --bitmain-hwerror option (or such like) that I have never gotten my head around! I think its that time to try the 0800 setting .... I am convinced it is a heat problem your rigs are encountering due to its consistency in drop-off, so reducing the voltage may help (but may need a power cycle, infact I'd say do one even though I do all my tests initially without one).
778  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 12:58:09 AM
2. What is the HW %
0 (zero).  Last try it got a an occasional HW error, but they were minor.  One of the six units got a bogged down in HW errors, but then performed well when I dropped the frequency to 268.

I assume that when your avg hash-rate falls you restart(ed) immediately, so seeing you have no HW errors, could you let it run for at least an hour after that and see whether you get any HW errors and / or x's on the chips?
I also noticed that the 5s hash-rate flactuates whenever a new block is started / a block is about to end, but soon builds up, so that may be something you have to bear in mind (assuming your hash-rate recovers!).

Unit hashrate dropping sharply now after the 1 hour run, average down to 533.  HW errors now 3 for 0.0093%.

If hashrate keeps falling, I will report the numbers and try again with 0800.

I'm only going to try this with the one unit, the improvement was so dramatic the last time that when it was solid for an hour, I upgraded all 6.  But I have yet to have an OC last more than 90 minutes or so.

That's fair enough, if it is falling that quickly into its uptime, and now registering errors, I expect you'll soon enough see x's on chips too, and if that happened would explain the consistent hash-rate drop-off very well ...... temp build-up!

EDIT: You'll probably have a better run with the 0800 setting .... but see this out for now to get a definitive result.
779  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 12:47:53 AM
2. What is the HW %
0 (zero).  Last try it got a an occasional HW error, but they were minor.  One of the six units got a bogged down in HW errors, but then performed well when I dropped the frequency to 268.

I assume that when your avg hash-rate falls you restart(ed) immediately, so seeing you have no HW errors, could you let it run for at least an hour after that and see whether you get any HW errors and / or x's on the chips?
I also noticed that the 5s hash-rate flactuates whenever a new block is started / a block is about to end, but soon builds up, so that may be something you have to bear in mind (assuming your hash-rate recovers!).
780  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S3 batch 6 overclocking on: December 22, 2014, 12:42:37 AM
4. If you've recently started the rig, could you post the cgminer startup string (usually logged in system log ...?)?
From the process tab:
cgminer --bitmain-options 115200:32:8:14:275:0a82 -o stratum+tcp://us1.ghash.io:3333 -O USER.WORKER:Any -o stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -O ADDR_WORKER:Any -o stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:3333 -O USER_WORKER:PASS --bitmain-nobeeper --api-listen --api-network --bitmain-checkn2diff --bitmain-hwerror --version-file /usr/bin/compile_time --lowmem


I remember reading somewhere that it is not a good idea to run without a queue, rather have a reduced one to the 2048 one that ships. I run mine with  --queue 1024, so you could possibly try  --queue 512 if you are averse to having a long one. (I am not conversant with the why's of this, so please don't ask!)
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