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501  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 22, 2016, 10:07:26 PM
I'm guessing Matlack and Mordica:
http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner

Allen has spent countless hours of work and successfully build a case against Garza. Why on earth would he do that if he was still a close associate of Garza?

Adam blindly lost over $500K and I doubt he's still Garza's best pal...

As for Joe yes he worked for Garza but later left GAW and fully collaborated with Allen and even the justice in order to build a solid legal case against Garza.

Yes these guys may have worked with Garza at some point but this doesn't make them intimate business partners or complicit. They would be complicit if as per today any of them would clearly stand by Garza's side. None of them does.

As for IONOMY, unless otherwise proven, only Adam seems to be involved...

11+ million still outstanding. It was claimed that 10 million (out of 16 million in existence at that time) where exchanged into ION so only ~5 million have been burned and they didn't even publish the addresses for the other 5 million.

On that one you are totally right. They should have burned XPY as promised.

Joe did not "work for" Garza. He ran the data center that had zero hashlets in it. He was the person in the best position to save everyone, including Matlack, their money by realizing that they sold more hashpower than they had, and even if they somehow kept the amount of hashpower they sold from Matlack, he damn well knew that hashlets didn't exist.

If you lost $500,000 on hashlets would your picture be on this website next to the guy who ran the data center where the hashlets were?

http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner/


The fact that Matlack still associates with Mordica is a HUGE red flag.
502  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 22, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
Looks like I started one by unearthing wildsharks website.  Roll Eyes

He was happy about it on slack. Free self promotion. And the site was public and posted in his profile of several forums. Was confused as to why that got sent to investigations. O well, back to the matter at hand.

The ION team could distance themselves from all this XPY stench, if they choose to. Follows the same playbook as XPY doesn't help any (inflation, stakers, etc). Being transparent with their ICO funds and addresses would go a long way as well. Wasn't it Ganza that refused to post addresses? Thought so.

I would think they would want to separate the project and after what they all have been through, been the poster child for blockchain transparency. Instead they chose to go Garzas route of transparency: Just trust me.

investigations is where all real life personal info belongs, and due to an actual troll there were real names all over that thread.

Hopefully the split removed all of them so the rambling insanity can stop and the laughing at ION can continue.
503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: August 21, 2016, 10:01:45 PM
sorry for shitting up the thread again, back to the strategy of laugh and report.

How was the stream of the game?

Any semblance of a clue as to how the game is going to get outsiders (or anyone really) to buy IONs?

You use ION to buy ingame upgrades and stuff, like medpacks/lives, possibly unlock worlds. I know sometime ago the plan was also to start tournaments and stuff, but may be only future games. This is second hand info though, as I dont have access to the game or any direct information other than github and website. Dont pin me down on it ;-)

I understand that is the point, but how is that going to work.

Games have enough trouble getting people to click "buy lives" on a game when it is hooked up to an account that has a credit card on file.

How much work it would take to get a random person who finds the game via an app store to be able to purchase ions to use to buy lives?
504  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which casino has the best odds? on: August 21, 2016, 09:26:36 PM
Most standard casino games are the same everywhere, there can be variation in games depending on the rules of the particular game that are used.

In roulette, games with only 0 instead of 0 and 00 are much better. Some casinos will refund half, or give a do over or something like imprisonment on the even money bets if it lands on green are better. Also, make sure the payouts are correct, and that they pay 35 TO 1 and not 35 FOR 1.

In video poker, the differences in the payouts between different games makes a huge difference, in odds and strategy. Look up a guide online to learn what is good.

Blackjack has many different rule options. Dealer Stands on soft 17 is better than dealer hits on soft 17. the less decks they use the better. Surrender is better than no surrender. Double down whenever you want is better than double down on only 10/11. Being able to resplit hands is better. being able to double after split is better. Being able to play and/or double down after splitting aces is better.
505  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 21, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
Good luck on making a difference, not sure how to do that when being lead by either an idiot or a scumbag.

Anyone that believed that hashlets existed or that Garza would pay 20 per coin is an idiot, anyone that didn't and was still involved in GAW is a scumbag. It's early, so I can't come up with anyone that lost a lot of money to Garza without fitting into one of those groups, so sorry if I'm insulting you, just calling it as I see it.

I really don't see how people in those categories will make a meaningful difference (unless robbing others to make up for their own personal losses counts) and I REALLY don't know why you guys needed to collect a bunch of XPY to make your difference, but again, good luck, stick around for more laughter at the next chapter in this saga, it's a lot of fun.
506  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 21, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
Who is the fucking moron who added ION to the title, you narrow minded imbecile. ION is about as far away from that cunt Ganza as you can get, do you not even begin to see that the whole idea of the IONOMY is to give ppl some value back? Team ION have not robbed people, pumped the coins and gained from others. GANZA robbed terminal ill ppl (Trixer) and did not give a fuck when he died. Ganza robbed ppl who are now homeless. I actually have respect for some of you repeat posters here but it is shit like that which makes some of you look like complete fucking morons in shitting up a project just for you own backward merits?

So you are going to tar all with the same brush, you may as well call me a scammer too as I am on the team, just ignore the shit I do for ppl daily and the XPY I gave out and now ION - bought off exchange from my own pocket, projects I contribute to and the services I start. And FYI there is more info to come and timeline about the past. I cannot and will not try to sway the deluded views here. That is all.

I'm not sure exactly who you are, but my beliefs are pretty clear. EVERYONE as deeply involved as matlack is either an idiot of epic proportions for falling for the obvious scam, or a scumbag who was trying to turn a profit from the obvious scam but got burned by a bigger crook.

I don't particularly care who falls into which group since I treat projects with both of those types of people the same. I don't know or care if you fit into one of those groups, but ion does, and will fail because if it  (and because it makes zero fucking sense beyond that.)
507  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 21, 2016, 12:59:03 PM
Who is the fucking moron who added ION to the title, you narrow minded imbecile. ION is about as far away from that cunt Ganza as you can get, do you not even begin to see that the whole idea of the IONOMY is to give ppl some value back? Team ION have not robbed people, pumped the coins and gained from others. GANZA robbed terminal ill ppl (Trixer) and did not give a fuck when he died. Ganza robbed ppl who are now homeless. I actually have respect for some of you repeat posters here but it is shit like that which makes some of you look like complete fucking morons in shitting up a project just for you own backward merits?

You realize that team ion is lead by a man who is currently business partners with one of the main culprits in enabling the GAW scam to rope on as many people as it did, right?

Ion and GAW would have been linked of it wasn't the band of misfits that tried (and failed) to "save" xpy, but collecting the xpy to start definitely puts them together.
508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: August 21, 2016, 04:49:12 AM
sorry for shitting up the thread again, back to the strategy of laugh and report.

How was the stream of the game?

Any semblance of a clue as to how the game is going to get outsiders (or anyone really) to buy IONs?
509  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 19, 2016, 02:56:11 PM
Id rather Homero be the witness and throw Stu under the bus

I'd rather see both ending up behind bars... unlikely, I know...

So would everyone, but that is why Stu and Cantor need to give Ganza a lawyer and try to keep him out. They can't cut him loose and leave him on his own.
510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 19, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
Ok I take all your comments on board.

Here's the plan!

XPY to XPAY!

KILL PAYCOIN

Wait for exchange final delisting.
Get everyone to send their Paycoin XPY to the following address: PRuyKDSrMRY6GpvdAxGuJWY2P6XQWJozGQ
Wait for around 90% coin transfers.

REVIVE PAYCOIN - XPAY

New build.
New improved brand and logo.
Revive Paycoin
New Ticker: XPAY

REIMBURSE/REDISTRIBUTE XPY to XPAY

Analyse coin receipts.
Create new coin with increased coin count.
Redistribute coins based on receipts.
New ICO (maybe Yobit)
Develop new roadmap and brand.

Need to keep Crypto fresh, evolving, growing, I think this is a potential solution.

Your thoughts? I am happy to start a new thread for this as XPAY and see what happens. Cheers.




team ION already beat you to the punch by collecting a shitload of xpy and turning into a different useless coin with a new ICO and no actual point.

Why do you need the xpy to do this?

Just start xpay on it's own. I have no clue why you would want to connect that soon to be failure to this original failure.
511  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 18, 2016, 10:26:39 PM

I wonder how that is good advice?  Any lawyers in the house?  Seems like he would want to distance himself as much as possible from Homero, but maybe its so obvious it doesn't matter at this point?

Not a lawyer, just a haver of common sense. If Garza can fuck over Fraser and Cantor Fitzgerald (he can because Fraser was involved with GAW, and GAW ran a 9/11 charity scam) it's in their best interest to not let garza get in a position to fuck them.

They need to keep Garza from getting into a position where the authorities can offer him a deal to save his own skin. Garza is the head scumbag who did the robbing here, but Fraser and company are much bigger fish with much more money.


AND that is **EXACTLY** why it is so surprising that Stu doesn't turn state's evidence & save himself & Cantor Fitz

Homoero should have been kicked under the bus a long time ago.....

Why on earth would the government offer a bigshot like him a deal for a scrub like Garza?

Garza is a small fish and they have him dead to rights. What could he give them on Garza that isn't in this thread? What can Garza give them on this (or anything else) in relation to fraser?
512  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 18, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
I can't believe someone is trying to revive this shitcoin.

Let it go...

Me neither. Can't believe someone would even attempt to revive this scamcoin...

But I agree that it's a waste of a great brand name.

Use PayCON instead ; )

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1556908.0

Actually lost about 2 BTC from Paycoin when i invested at the start  Sad so not impressed.

Thanks for all the info about Paycoin, seems a shame, but like you all say, it's going to die, what annoys me though is Bittrex still trading it and allowing people to invest in coins that have been destroyed, it doesnt really seem fair to new investors. Anyway Im not Vlad lol but I have read his posts - entertaining lol

Ok no Paycoin revival just yet, but please tell me you liked the splash, I thought as a brand it looked great Cheesy

I have no problem with bittrex allowing trading, as long as they allow people to withdraw and do what they say, if people want to pay them for the ability to trade useless shitcoins, more power to them. It's on the user to figure out which coinsare worthless and for what reason.
513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: August 18, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
-- o0o0 --

The ion team took 10 million XPY (paycoin) in the trade phase of ico at an 8:1 xpy to ion rate to help out the ion people. They however have from memory not burnt it all when it was part of their pledge on the xpy taking. People are concerned that the xpy became market fodder for more bitcoin and not burned as stated they would be. This is a valid concern as it speaks to the teams honesty, transparency and legitimacy of the project.

As an investor in ION korvas128 (AKA Manta Ray) says the manta doesn't give a shit what they do with the XPY.

Whatever the reality is korvas128 thinks it makes no difference as the haters will continue to hate.

If Manta Ray were part of the ION team they wouldn't waste any time on XPY so putting it on a back burner (pardon the pun Cheesy) to be reveiwed at a later date. From memory korvas128 thinks they started the burn process but found it to be too time consuming so stopped to rightly focus on other stuff




 

Not caring about the honesty and integrity of the people running this operation has worked out well for these geniuses in the past, and will continue to have great results in the future, I'm sure.

If they don't have time to keep their word and do something transparently via blockchains, why on earth would you trust them to do things as complicated as they are claiming that they will do?
514  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: August 18, 2016, 04:01:54 AM

I wonder how that is good advice?  Any lawyers in the house?  Seems like he would want to distance himself as much as possible from Homero, but maybe its so obvious it doesn't matter at this point?

Not a lawyer, just a haver of common sense. If Garza can fuck over Fraser and Cantor Fitzgerald (he can because Fraser was involved with GAW, and GAW ran a 9/11 charity scam) it's in their best interest to not let garza get in a position to fuck them.

They need to keep Garza from getting into a position where the authorities can offer him a deal to save his own skin. Garza is the head scumbag who did the robbing here, but Fraser and company are much bigger fish with much more money.
515  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 18, 2016, 03:55:39 AM

You are not entirely wrong about bitcoin, but will be significantly harder to make progress with xpy and significantly easier for scumbags to ruin that progress.

It's your time and effort being wasted when you are "trying to contribute positively," so waste it if you must.

But remember, when you fail, it won't be because of negativity and hostile comments" from us, it will be because of the "behaviour" of the scumbags we are trying to warn you about, just like the last 2 iterations of this shitcoin.

Thank you for your constructive comments.

Out of interest, please advise as to what "coins" or platforms would be worthwhile investments at this time based on the tech that is being developed, although to be honest I will still probably look to do something with Paycoin long term Smiley

I have no clue right now, but that doesn't make paycoin a good investment.

All of the "coins" or "platforms" around here just seem like absolute non-starters to me, including bitcoin. I have, do, and will USE bitcoin for various things, but "investing" in it when the price is controlled by the whims of a handful of miners, unregulated sketchy as fuck exchanges, idiots trusting those things, and an anonymous creator who has enough coins to crash the price down to zero at any point (plus who knows how many other people have enough coins to crash the price to zero).
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If you can get beyond that, there's still really nothing that interests me. POS makes no sense to me. If 1 coin is useless, holding it and watching it turn into 2 coins is just as useless. It's expecially extra worthless if creators/whales/dummies are able to stake at a higher rate for whatever reason.

Premines are also stupid.

The whole point of all this shit is that the blockchain is supposed to make everything transparent, any attempt to obfuscate that is a giant red flag.

If you can find it in your heart to trust scumbag exchanges and still want to play, go ahead, but at least protect yourself by avoiding obvious losers like this one. There needs to be some sort of point to the coin for it to be worthwhile for anything. The "point" of xpy was to give a scumbag time after his mining ponzi started to collapse, and for him to extract more usable money from people too stupid to realize it. That seems like a pretty shitty place to start. this is a bad place to start because so many coins are in the hands of scumbags, idiots, and bagholders who will be able to, and have reason to dump on any progress you make to "save" the coin.

Actual advice would be to find a service or website that you can provide that will give people a reason to give you usable coins, stay away from situations where other people can easily fuck you over
516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 17, 2016, 09:29:52 PM
Guys, the name is good and it probably deserves to be revived. No matter if the guy who started the thread is bagholding.

Thanks for the positive encouragement! I believe it does need revived.

The amount of early adopters who have actually lost a small fortune by scammers really dont deserve to be dumped on and to be supported in being able to grow their chosen platforms.

Funny really, Bitcoin is probably the most stolen coin in circulation, yet everyone is still trying to make it successful. Ultimately if people are beginning to choose between individual coins and not choosing to invest in ensuring the broad bulk of coins, invested in by people old and new, then it is selfish and does not serve to help their individual investments. For that attitude those who are "bagholding" bitcoin deserve to lose 90% of money when the coin values realign and people can buy many altcoins directly with fiat.

The Paycoin blockchain has been going for some time, it has a history (somewhat chequered like Bitcoin), however I believe it has a purpose and that is it is a good brand to work with. I do think it is unfair for people who have quite possibly earnt their money through crypto but do not continue to support the growing infrastructure and coins.

I am not a bag holder, I only have 125,000 coins, thats not many really, and there is plenty that can be done with the existing chain to ensure future operations.

The amount of shitcoins that still come out day by day, Bithire for example, that actually do have an interesting and appealing metrics, once again leaving people high and dry with early investments, I just think that its rather rude of people to be derogatory, as with many other peoples posts here, just because they have perhaps made their money and are sitting pretty in crypto land.

Anyway, my proposal is to somehow develop Paycoin, if people don't think it has commercial value, then more fool them, perhaps they have never even heard of "Pay"pal? Never mind.....

Bitcoin was not created by a "serious in vest" buffoon for the purposes of covering up a previously failed ponzi scheme. Being stolen has nothing to do with that. Being a scam coin by intent has everything to do with that.

XPY a shitty coin whichever way you look at it - clone of an outdated code base, barely functioning wallet, no distinguishing features other than inflation, Garza's minions probably still holding millions of coins waiting to dump on you, and yes, a tarnished name on top of it.

I would like to say you're deluded but most likely you're just a fucking scammer like the rest of them. But how about this: you develop a new wallet, maybe even fork it to a fresh start, and see how that goes. Build it and they will come, right? Instead of looking for someone else to do it for you and spreading nonsensical rationalizations of this proven scam.

What is it with you "Legendary" members, you are all oh so negative!

Why don't we just say all cryptocurrencies are a scam and be done with it? They are all FIFO (first in, first out), anyone who joins second loses money, and that most if not all digital currencies on the market ar created by the same handful of people, and that all exchanges are price manipulated using bot trading. All the pumps just show that every 6 months each coin has no trade volume so BTC whales have to throw in 50 bitcoins. It's ironic really that when you look at values, the only coin that has increased is Bitcoin, there is a reason for that of course, with major players like GS sitting in the background its unlikely to fail, and when it succeeds then all that needs to happen is all money gets put on a privilege based system.

If Paycoin dies, I would suggest that most if not all will die along with it, people are leaving crypto by the droves, despite people like myself trying to contribute positively its difficult with such negativity and hostile comments and behaviour.

Anyway, keep on dumping them Paycoins, I will buy them up Smiley Cheesy Smiley Cheesy

P.S. no testnet coins! really?

You are not entirely wrong about bitcoin, but will be significantly harder to make progress with xpy and significantly easier for scumbags to ruin that progress.

It's your time and effort being wasted when you are "trying to contribute positively," so waste it if you must.

But remember, when you fail, it won't be because of negativity and hostile comments" from us, it will be because of the "behaviour" of the scumbags we are trying to warn you about, just like the last 2 iterations of this shitcoin.
517  Economy / Gambling / Re: deeply hurt with directbet today on: August 16, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
You cannot force someone to take a bet, meaning directbet can't force you to make a bet that you don't want to, and you can't force directbet to make a bet that they don't want to.

If someone else is offering 2.0 on a bet, that is what they are offering, that doesn't mean that directbet has to offer that price also.
518  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: August 16, 2016, 03:44:03 PM

Lot more come out in future / bittrex become soft against law action that nice .vern were maybe doing good or making more lost of cryptsy users fund (trying to fill whole )
Vern how many wallet you replace of Btc to stay underground  

+company owning mining hardware are still missing like cryptsy office empty .Court still not aware of it .that cryptsy was also cloud mining service provider .

Because not body pull that papers in front of court to view that way
( why j.s. or silver law )

If you actually believe that there was mining hardware, pm me, I have an offer you can't afford to miss.
519  Economy / Gambling / Re: Looking for NBA betting without handicap on: August 13, 2016, 10:44:32 PM
Just be careful making those bets. In my experience lots of sites take more vig/juice out of moneyline bets, especially with big favorites, than they do out of handicap/spread bets

Nitrogen actually looked better on the croatia/nigeria game, but directbet was taking even more juice on the moneyline than they were on the spread (which was high in itself, imo).
520  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 13, 2016, 06:59:54 AM
If you really love the name, just start paycoin 3.0 over from scratch.

Why on earth would you want to get involved in a coin where there are so many outstanding coins that are probably in the hands of known scumbags that can dump the coins on you if you ever make any progress?

I think the scum has long since dumped and checked out.  If they haven't then bravo for holding the bags, which makes them not arse holes, but idiots.

I would gladly participate in a revitalize program if PAYCON played leader ... cuz irony ... and it facilitates a dual finance/dev fund from the actual "Paycoin" network.

ps .. throw FAIL coin into the mix .. cuz .. even more funny  Cool

You need to worry about the people that spent time trying to "fix" xpy after GAW died. They are not bagholders because they got tons of coins for free.

There are so many outstanding coins in the hands of who knows that it makes no sense to attempt to revive this coin. Just start over fresh and steal the name if need be.
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