I am sorry I missed your point
Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything. Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days.I'll take the under  You want to bet on that? <EDIT> I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense.. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today.  Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you. Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME ) But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC.. This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge. Oh the irony. Int30h posted 12 times after asking me to explain what I meant by the bet. And yet you avoid actually making the bet. Add one to your abacus labeled int03h's posts. Oh look, you still don't understand. I am not surprised. Counter increased by 1. |
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I am sorry I missed your point
Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything. Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days. I'll take the under You want to bet on that? <EDIT> I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense.. Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today. Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you. Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME ) But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC.. This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge. Oh the irony. Int30h posted 12 times after asking me to explain what I meant by the bet. And yet you avoid actually making the bet. Add one to your abacus labeled int03h's posts. |
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I am sorry I missed your point
Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything. Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days. I'll take the under You want to bet on that? <EDIT> I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense.. Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today. Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you. Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME ) But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC.. This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge. I dont care about your felt self importance about who,what ,when or how u r ......it is pretty irrelevant to this discussion I am really only interested in why u are defending these guys and the motives behind this SO explain that to me ?? 1) saying you don't care means you do.. the more you say you don't the more you do; 2) You are the one "creating" my delusions of grandeur by validating my existence; 3) What are your motives ? 4) Why do I need to explain anything to you since you have insulted me in numerous ways; 5) Whatever I say you are going to come back with your usual repertoire of insults including, noob, shill, astro-turf(?) etc etc etc etc 6) Feel free to not copy and paste what you wish so that the full picture is not clear in your response; 7) Pretend to have the attention span of a squirrell; 8 ) Because I can and I want to. 9) Because I think this whole thread is pointless and thereby a great place to waste my time. Feel free to continue your attacks.. I doubt any reason will come from this. |
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blah blah blah noob.. blah blah blah josh .. blah blah blah shill .. blah blah blah sock puppet.. I was on the fence about where all this was going in this thread...but * THIS* post won me over! So pro! blah blah blah astro turf .. blah blah blah obviously Mr Obvious being obvious ..
You guys need a new repertoire.. Really. ...and THEN you made additional pro comments!  lol You gotta laugh sometimes. Hey we should just welcome everyone here to the asylum! So I am pro. Awesome. I thought I was Noob .. Interesting approach. I think your posts explain that u r an angry lonely teenage boy..... Wrong again. Keep going .. your idiocy is starting to show through the thin veneer of rage/anger and prejudice. |
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blah blah blah noob.. blah blah blah josh .. blah blah blah shill .. blah blah blah sock puppet.. I was on the fence about where all this was going in this thread...but * THIS* post won me over! So pro! blah blah blah astro turf .. blah blah blah obviously Mr Obvious being obvious ..
You guys need a new repertoire.. Really. ...and THEN you made additional pro comments! lol You gotta laugh sometimes. Hey we should just welcome everyone here to the asylum! So I am pro. Awesome. I thought I was Noob .. Interesting approach. |
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I am sorry I missed your point
Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything. Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days. I'll take the under You want to bet on that? <EDIT> I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense.. Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today. Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you. Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME ) But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC.. This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge. |
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blah blah blah noob.. blah blah blah josh .. blah blah blah shill .. blah blah blah sock puppet.. blah blah blah astro turf .. blah blah blah obviously Mr Obvious being obvious ..
You guys need a new repertoire.. Really.
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Well IF I was STILL an existing customer of BFL I would cancel my order NOW! or buy another product to be able to gauge an expected consideration of loss through BFL's inability to deliver. I think that is what I got from that marathon or reading I just did. Good job on the post for that work. Cancel now, when they are on the cusp of delivering. Sounds like a good plan - I bet you have no ulterior motives in your most saged advice. I for one have ABSOLUTELY no intention of cancelling. Watching you guys thrashing around like drowning rats has convinced me that all of this is a deliberate campaign to make as much noise as possible to distract people from throwing down their money on black and waiting for the wheel to finish spinning. As the wheel slows and the balls bounces less its funny how the volume has increased. Day 3 - 15 left ... time to articulate that bet k9taint - my 10 BTC are waiting. And YipYap thanks for your PM. As indicated you have a few hours to "out" me.. with verification. Get on it. Chop Chop. Tick Tock. . etc |
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I'm hoping to find a discussion board that I can post on to get some more legal minded people involved. .and I can return with more opinions . . . .this forum (obviously) make it difficult to have an intelligent conversation about what the factual legal obligations of a company are. .. .like I said it's something that everybody who purchases mining products needs to know. . .
Are you finally dropping all pretense of the int30h account? Compare the following two posts, notice the bizarre use of periods and phraselets instead of sentences. Here the Endlessa account is upset and lapses into some very strange grammar and formatting. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2271520#msg2271520Here int30h is also upset and uses the same weird formatting and grammatical constructs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2272747#msg227274780 of the last 83 posts by the Endlessa account are in this thread and in the last 24 hours. 58 of the last 58 posts (all of the non-newbie forum posts) by the int30h account are in this thread in the last 24 hours. When he gets agitated, his mask slips. Like when I was making fun of int30h and the Endlessa account responded with the int30h style of insults to the taunting. OOPS. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2271207#msg2271207http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorderNope I am still here. Waiting for that bet to be clarified. Thanks for helping Xian get his money back. We wouldn't have found it without you. Clear enough? Not at all. |
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I'm hoping to find a discussion board that I can post on to get some more legal minded people involved. .and I can return with more opinions . . . .this forum (obviously) make it difficult to have an intelligent conversation about what the factual legal obligations of a company are. .. .like I said it's something that everybody who purchases mining products needs to know. . .
Are you finally dropping all pretense of the int30h account? Compare the following two posts, notice the bizarre use of periods and phraselets instead of sentences. Here the Endlessa account is upset and lapses into some very strange grammar and formatting. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2271520#msg2271520Here int30h is also upset and uses the same weird formatting and grammatical constructs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2272747#msg227274780 of the last 83 posts by the Endlessa account are in this thread and in the last 24 hours. 58 of the last 58 posts (all of the non-newbie forum posts) by the int30h account are in this thread in the last 24 hours. When he gets agitated, his mask slips. Like when I was making fun of int30h and the Endlessa account responded with the int30h style of insults to the taunting. OOPS. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2271207#msg2271207http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorderNope I am still here. Waiting for that bet to be clarified. |
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"wrongfully fails to deliver or repudiates" they did not "fail to deliver" or "wrongfully repudiate"
He was aware that the delivery date was not set in stone. . . .and he received his refund (so was not repudiated). so this section would be difficult to apply in my mind. Again not a lawyer, but I fail to see where this applicable.
so now take a look at this (as I previously posted):
400.2A-505. (1) On cancellation of the lease contract, all obligations that are still executory on both sides are discharged, but any right based on prior default or performance survives, and the cancelling party also retains any remedy for default of the whole lease contract or any unperformed balance.
These refers to lease, not to contract of sale. See the definitions here: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C400-499/40002A0103.HTMYou should check the laws on unwinding forward/futures contracts. Show me a contract. Oh . .wait .. there isn't one. |
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Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious.
Some quality argumentative skills being displayed right there. Not my fault he used the int30h account and then got confused about which one he was logged in as. He didn't even last a day. I am here. Waiting for the terms of the bet . Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. I have an account and I am sticking to it.. I am still waiting for the terms of your bet... Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. Are you going to keep repeating the same thing over and over ? Thats hilarious. When you post as Endlessa, I change one word to int30h. When you post as int30h, I change it to Endlessa. You can drop the pretense. Also thank you for bringing the UCC to our attention, we never would have tumbled to the forward contract provisions had it not been for your aggressive redirecting. So BFL will get a two pronged attack, one for fraudulent business practices and one for unilaterally cancelling a forward contract that they did not want to pay off. And how can we forget: Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. And you can drop the pretense that you have a brain. We are not the same person. |
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Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious.
Some quality argumentative skills being displayed right there. Not my fault he used the int30h account and then got confused about which one he was logged in as. He didn't even last a day. I am here. Waiting for the terms of the bet . Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. I have an account and I am sticking to it.. I am still waiting for the terms of your bet... Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. Are you going to keep repeating the same thing over and over ? Thats hilarious. |
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Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious.
Some quality argumentative skills being displayed right there. Not my fault he used the int30h account and then got confused about which one he was logged in as. He didn't even last a day. I am here. Waiting for the terms of the bet . Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious. I brought the law. Xian already contacted the Missouri's AG office. He will probably also contact a lawyer to get the rest of his money back for the forward contract cancellation via civil court. You should put a little more effort into pretending you are not Endlessa if you want us to take you seriously. BFL was selling forward contracts, not sales of existing goods. Forward contracts cannot be unilaterally canceled just because one party does not want to pay the agreed price anymore. You should probably pick one account and stick with it. I have an account and I am sticking to it.. I am still waiting for the terms of your bet... And since you insist on remove the quoted text that specifies your accusations and is determined to make a point : Quote from: int03h on Today at 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: k9quaint on May 25, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today. Cheesy
Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you.
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Hello Mr. Obvious Socketpuppet is Obvious.
Some quality argumentative skills being displayed right there. Not my fault he used the int30h account and then got confused about which one he was logged in as. He didn't even last a day. I am here. Waiting for the terms of the bet . |
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I am sorry I missed your point
Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything. Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days. I'll take the under You want to bet on that? <EDIT> I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense.. Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today. Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you. I am still waiting for your terms to the bet. You now have 17 days left .. tick tock douchebag. |
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I am afraid you are incorrect. Contracts of sale cannot be unilaterally cancelled unless the contract explicitly allows for doing so.
Just imagine that we agree today that I would deliver you 10 bushels of wheat in 3 months for a given price. If 2 months later the price goes up, I cannot unilaterally cancel the contract and give you a refund.
As for damages, one can calculate the earning capabilities of the item that was ordered, and one can seek compensation for a reasonable period (few years) of use. It would be several thousand dollars at the very least.
What you've described is in fact a very specific type of sales contract usually called a "forward contract" - If the buyer could produce such a contact then there would be a legitimate case for damages incurred. However, never was any such contract offered by BFL... so I doubt the OP has such. I respectfully disagree with what you say. What is special about a "forward contract" is that the delivery may be well in the future, and in most cases so is the payment. In the case of BFL, they accepted payment now, and promise to deliver. Failure to deliver on time (or within reasonable time) is a breach of contract. For example, if I sell you my car, and you pay me the price, then I cannot unilaterally change my mind, and simply give you back your money. I will also have to pay you all damages that you incurred from my failure to honour the contract. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Remedies_for_breach_of_contract and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_contractNo .. you sign a sales contract which specifies the price and the contract which details the terms of the sale.. usually the contract is binding upon two conditions 1) the money being paid 2) the car being taken. Both of which are considered binding separately and indivisibly . i.e. if you take the car you are required to pay the money or if you take the money you are going to take the car. So .. if condition 1 is not met then condition 2 cannot be met either.. i.e. if you don't actually have the car in hand you can't be expected to hand over the money. To be even less blunt .. you can't demand possession of something just because you have the money in hand to pay for it. Logic is funny mother fucker .. it works both ways .. somehow.. bastard |
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You are quite right, but one thing: A seller cannot cancel a contract of sale unilaterally. Such an action has very serious legal consequences, and if the reason for doing so is malicious (i.e., to retaliate for negative comments made on a forum), then I could easily see punitive damages being awarded in top of compensatory ones.
Hopefully the FTC and Missouri AG see it that way as well. What about small claims court? Not sure it's worth the hassle. Just glad to be done with Butterfly Labs as a customer to be honest. Will support other companies in Bitcoinia instead. You should try Judge Judy .. she hears all sorts of bullshit based on half contrived cock and ass bullshit.. Did you fuck you car in the process of being a moron ?? SOLD .. Wed Afternoon at 2pm .. lets see how this pans out .. |
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Wait a minute here... I am reprehensible for standing up for myself getting absolutely terrible treatment as an initial preorder customer over the last 11 months ? For enduring their COO acting completely unprofessionally on these forums and calling him on his behavior ?
I am sorry that you have such low self esteem and say "Why yes please, I would like some more un-lubed sodomy at the hands of Butterfly Labs for not being able to accurately state when my preorder will ship after waiting for 11 months of one broken promise after another."
Some of us have less tolerance for prolonged bullshit and fight for ourselves when we feel wronged.
I need to most strenuously disagree with your evaluation and you should feel ashamed that you are willing to be taken advantage of.
And here you are perpetuating the same behaviour that got you here and seeking validation ... keep on truckin big boy the hole only gets deeper. For the record "I do not accept BFL's treatment of there customers"
"I do not accept the continuous lies and fraudulent behavior by BFL"
"I do not accept trying to silence people who have been mistreated by BFL"What do u stand for again because i am missing your actual point in all of these discussions ?? None of your statements are based on facts. All of them are opinions. That is all. ....yawn... i think these are all facts.... They had a prototype in June/July/August/Sept/Oct ..yeah this is true ...or they finally have a prototype in April 2013 The many documented of you/Josh/Inaba calling his customers cocksuckers/losers the list goes on..I would class that as mistreatment of his customers Jody holding the I will cancel your orders over peoeples heads if they start to complain.. These are all facts and not opinions ..I understand when u lie so much that all reality starts to blur and this would be hard for u to deal with See you don't answer the question directly. If it was facts it would look like this The Sky is Blue: No it is Red I like Cock: No I prefer Ass Your Mom is a Man: No it is my Uncle See thats how it goes. There is no room for speculation. It is just facts.. See if you can do it .. try .. I think their treatment/behavior is all on record ...these are what are called facts Sonnys conviction and time spent in prison for FRAUD is a fact...thats about all I have got for u in regards to this as If you want to continue to try and distort reality .....I cant help you... sorry I THINK .. see here is the problem .. don't think .. be sure. Oh josh..ur ability to try and divert from an issue is really getting played out ...why dont your deliver on your commitments or refund everybodys orders Your days are numbered and also are the mistreatment of your customers or do u guys call them "marks" I am flattered that you think I am Josh. Thank you.. I am printing this one out for posterity. You do that ... while you are at the printer why dont you print out every oustanding order and just look at them for a while I never said I have any orders. Again you assume and project.. |
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Look at my account creation date.. you fucking idiot. Just because I decided to call you lot a bunch of names now doesn't mean I am any less worthy. I could easily scream persecution .. but I won't because I am not a fag like Xian.
That's not what it looks like to the rest of us. So the burden of proof is on me ? |
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