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521  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Mining w/ two 5830s reboots system on: July 22, 2011, 08:40:18 PM
Spoke too soon. It is not BSOD'ing that much is confirmed. Trying again with slightly lower OC settings.
Have you tried running them without the overclock? maybe it's not the overclock.
522  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 08:33:34 PM
To each his own, I guess.

Some people like to have 2 cards per PC; others like 5. 

It's really a matter of opinion.  It's less hassle to set up 2/3 card machines, but you need more machines.
As far as cost goes, I think it's about the same. If you go to 4/5 card machines, you need to make special arrangements (greater time cost) plus you need a 1200W PSU instead of a 650 or 750. And most mobos only have 2 PCI-E with 1 or 2 PCI-E 1x.

The mobo in the link Rob posted was certainly not $60.

On the other hand, sometimes it's easier to run 2 big rigs instead of 5 smaller ones.
Unless a component fails, then all your eggs are in one (broken) basket.

If you plan to go big (more then 5 gpu's) it is very waisteful to make rigs of 3 gpu's or less because of the space taken and the cost of the extra components. To keep it simple lets do 15 gpu's.

So you would need 5 rigs of 3 gpu's or 3 rigs of 5 gpu's.

Ill set up the cost for a rig with 5 gpu's.

68 - open case as rob has link to.
145 - mobo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274R)  -- This is an amazing deal at the moment I highly recommend as it is usually 195.
130x5 - 5830's
30 - cpu (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274R)
10 - ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148368)
219-psu(after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171055)
9 - flash drive(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171398)
15*5 risers
totaling to $1,206

Now 3 gpu rig in a case.
130x3-5830's
30-cpu
10-ram
9- flash drive
127 - mobo(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157207)
50 - case(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068)
110 - psu (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006)
totaling to $726

726*5   =$4356
1,206*3=$3618

That means the 3 gpu rig costs 20% more.
523  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
How do you use PCI-E extender cables with an open air rig? That's why I use cases.
Usually the PCI-E x1 slot(s) are in the middle, and most extender cables aren't very long...


Like this:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29729.0

I'd also argue that this is WAY more dense of a system than a bunch of cases with extra fans loaded into them.  That's 5 two-slot cards on one motherboard.  Four of those in a line would be 20 cards, by making some slight modifications you could easily stack another row on top for 40 cards.
I'm assuming you've actually made this? I'm planning on trying this what temp do the cards get to and what temp is the room?
524  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
How do you use PCI-E extender cables with an open air rig? That's why I use cases.
Usually the PCI-E x1 slot(s) are in the middle, and most extender cables aren't very long...

Ive seen pictures of ghetto rigs with 5 dollar towel/dish rack that they place the gpu's on. I'm not sure I would do this though.
525  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Mining w/ two 5830s reboots system on: July 22, 2011, 05:41:30 PM
When you say it reboots do you mean it blue screens then reboots? If thats the case look at the minidump file.
526  Economy / Goods / Re: San Diego Area - Rig Possibly for Sale on: July 22, 2011, 02:12:24 PM
There are nine other chassis (each with CD drive and floppy drive) needed to be include in that calculation.
However, I'm not counting the CD drive or floppy drive in the value. It's part of the chassis from my view. And the SSD drive is maybe $100 (not $300)...so subtract $230.
But still add the nine additional chassis.

Keep in mind, the 6990's are high demand/low supply. They are the highest performance GPU's for mining, and are hard to find available for any timely delivery. As proof, try to find a 6990 that is immediately available online. I haven't checked in a while, but I'd bet you'll find them either sold out, not in stock or weeks from delivery. From just that, they carry more value than retail costs.

As for condition, the system has been used for only a month now. Proven to work. The extra chassis are in excellent condition.
I'm not really sure why some one would want 9 empty chassis. I guess if they plan to expand like crazy but still that shouldn't be included in this price you should just sell that separately if a buyer doesn't want them.

As for the 6990 they are no where to be found but they aren't that spectacular of a mining card. It's ok on electricity and it definitely requires the least amount of space but its megahash per dollar committed to a full server is pretty horrible.

If we went with the cost excluding the 9 extra chassis and including your price cut we have a cost of 2,285. Assuming you get 820 megahash per card thats 1640 megahash.

1640/2285 is .71 megahash per dollar.

An efficient 5830 rig could get 1.36 megahash per dollar so it would cost about 1,205 dollars for the same speed.

2285-1205 = $1080 waisted.

If you live in an apartment or house where electricity isn't included it would still take a very long time to make up for the waisted electricity (upwards of a year maybe even longer I haven't done the calculations)

Who knows the state of bitcoins in a year or more it could be completely gone for all we know or the difficulty could sky rocket. So yes the 6990 may be impossible to find right now but that doesn't mean people should pay more for a used card.
527  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
By the way, you forgot some sort of case or case-like object, the hard drive, and at least temporary optical drive to install the OS in that build...and the OS lol.  
You technically could just lay it on some cardboard or the boxes it came in so thats free. You don't need an optical drive you can just boot with a flash drive and I guess you could include 10 15 dollars to his price for the flash drive. Other then that though everything he showed was fine.
528  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 02:06:18 AM
Price goes down with increased difficulty.

I honestly don't think that's true. Non miners could care less where the difficulty is. The reason the price dropped from 30 to its current is because of a lack of faith in its value. This is due to several hacking incidents not to a rising difficulty.
529  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 22, 2011, 12:44:13 AM
I'm in the "you can't know for sure" camp on this question, mainly due to uncertainty in BTC price. One thing that makes it tough to build right now is that the GPU market is really lean. There don't seem to be many exciting cost effective options out there atm. Nothing like 5830s for $109 or 5850s for $150, or 5870s for $190.
 Angry 
That's why if you want to buy a machine you wait till you find some deal like that Tongue Don't be impulsive and buy the first item you can.
530  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is "casual" mining still sustainable? Is buying a new rig stupid? on: July 21, 2011, 11:09:02 PM
You're asking if difficulty will eventually level off because "new miners will stop coming in" and you're asking if you should start mining?
Yea, that's why the difficulty is going to keep going.

I would not spend $700 on a new rig right now, unless that $700 is going to net you a minimum of 1GHash.  You should be able to get a 600Mhash rig for under $400 right now, so 1.2Ghash for $800.
I'm curious how you would build a rig for under 400 dollars and get 600 megahash. Considering the 5830 is at 130. I did a quick calc and I'm just a little higher then $400 for 600 megahash and that's before shipping.
531  Economy / Goods / Re: San Diego Area - Rig Possibly for Sale on: July 21, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
You weren't very detailed with your parts but I just tried to guesstimate the cost of the machine brand new. I feel like I was extremely generous especially on the ssd.

195-mobo
60-cpu
30-ram
1600-2x6990
30-cd drive
300-ssd
240-psu
60-case
total=2,515

That's brand new. If any one buys this at 3000 they are crazy.
532  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: How to maximize a 5830? on: July 21, 2011, 01:49:02 PM
Every card is different though.
I have 2x 5830, one is stable at 1030, hit the limit at 1045, the other one will always crash if it goes to 1020, both bought from newegg at the same time.

pretty much based on your luck...and your card.
Thats true they do vary by a little but what you just said is a 2.5% difference. He said it crashes at 900  mhz and its a saphire. Going off your 1020 mhz example thats a 13% difference and both of his cards are doing this. It just seems a little weird to me thats all.
533  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: How to maximize a 5830? on: July 21, 2011, 02:59:13 AM
I am having issues staying above 950mhz. It lasts for 12 hours and then it drops. Does not seem stable for prolong periods of time. Is it possible this is because of my PSU?
I am using a Rosewill 700W (only 72% efficiency though)
I am using a AMD Sempron CPU so nothing else in the rig consumes power.


My temps stay below 62'c on either card so it is not temps.
It depends on who made your card the people saying they get above 1000 mhz I believe all have saphire cards. In my experience the saphire cards can be pushed up to around 1040 on stock voltage

I just installed 2 brand new 5830's saphires from newegg into my 6th miner.  I use win64 guiminer with prclm
I use msiafterburner and have experience with over clocking 6950, 5870, 5830, and 6850's

anyway,  brand new msi board, 1000w power supply just tried to do a 900 clock on the new 5830's and immediately crashed...  I wonder if the new cards cant be over clocked like the older ones?
I'm not sure about the $130 version but I picked up the 110 around the end of June and my cards are completely stable at 1030 mhz.
534  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: difficulty stabilizing? on: July 20, 2011, 05:02:23 PM
So...

Has is stabilized or are we going to see 2.5 million sometime in 2011?
I feel like its going to stabilize until some big event happens. What that event is or when it will happen I have no clue. I feel a significant event that would cause the difficulty to become unstable would be a drastic increase or decrease in the price. If the price goes to something like 30 dollars again we will see a huge difficulty increase. If some major news source writes a front page article (not saying this will happen) that puts bitcoins in good light then expect an increase.
535  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: only 6 5830 remain on newegg... on: July 20, 2011, 01:53:20 PM
1030/300 -317-328 Add a little juice to keep the speed up. Solid

What'd you put the voltage at?
I have the same set up and I get 329. It's just stock voltages for me.
536  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: difficulty stabilizing? on: July 20, 2011, 01:35:20 PM
tl;dr (for the young'uns) -- I'm not here to defend predictions I never made. It's not my fault some people trust the lies and name-calling that passes for criticism on this forum.
Alright look this has been bothering me for awhile. Please stop double and triple posting. There's an edit button for a reason.
537  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: How to maximize a 5830? on: July 20, 2011, 12:03:41 AM
I am having issues staying above 950mhz. It lasts for 12 hours and then it drops. Does not seem stable for prolong periods of time. Is it possible this is because of my PSU?
I am using a Rosewill 700W (only 72% efficiency though)
I am using a AMD Sempron CPU so nothing else in the rig consumes power.


My temps stay below 62'c on either card so it is not temps.
It depends on who made your card the people saying they get above 1000 mhz I believe all have saphire cards. In my experience the saphire cards can be pushed up to around 1040 on stock voltage
538  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Next Difficulty....Decrease? on: July 19, 2011, 11:51:13 PM
I highly doubt the difficulty will ever go down. As people have already stated once you have the equipment you might as well just keep going because you are still turning a profit even if its less then before.

I wouldn't be surprised though if eventually we see 1% increases in difficulty or even less. This is where we are heading at the moment and unless some major event happens why should it not go there?
539  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What's a good deal in USD for a 5870? on: July 19, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
I've found a few used on ebay for $180 or so... seems like they're selling for more than that right now.
Not sure if I would be willing to trust a used card from ebay for 180. I feel like the chances of the card breaking are much higher. I would need an amazing deal to make me reconsider my stance.
540  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What's a good deal in USD for a 5870? on: July 19, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
A couple weeks ago you could pick one up for 189 that put it basically on the same level as a 5830 at 110 in megahash and it already beat the 5830 in electricity usage. If you can pick one up at around 189 you did good.
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