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5201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Which Alt-Coin without ASIC is the best to mine? on: July 01, 2016, 12:18:40 AM
Ethereum has been risky for a while - especially if the recent rate of diff increase keeps going.

 It's much less of a risk *IF* you were planning to buy the hardware anyway for another use, and it's no risk if you already have the hardware.

 That's the ONLY 2 reasons I have an Ethereum farm at all - I've got OTHER uses for the hardware, or already had it on hand.

 Your milage probably differs - not a lot of folks that rank in the top 200 on RC5-72 or top 600 on GIMPS or care to do so. 9-)




If the recent difficulty rise is caused by people using the exisiting hardware, that could be good. That means there are new miners.

 The difficulty rise seems to be more attributable to folks adding new rigs - but it's hard to tell for sure without a lot more information than is available.
5202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Radeon released RX 480. (Card is Released) on: July 01, 2016, 12:05:12 AM
yes but one consume 150w the other(1070) only 100w at 27MH

so with he same hash rate you get 50% more consumption, not soemthing that i would ignore especially on large scale

You also have to mention the price of the 1070 compared to the RX 480's one. When price will go to its normal area, 3x RX 480 = 1x 1070. Not something that I would ignore, especially on large scale.

 More like 2 to 1 ratio when prices ON BOTH get down to normal.
 Still a big difference though.
5203  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Thinking Of Going Into Bitcoin Mining on: June 27, 2016, 09:09:55 AM
I would be more worried about the reliability and even availability of the infrastructure for electric and Internet in most of Africa - most of that continent does NOT have reliable power or power at all, and Internet access is VERY spotty as well in most of the continent.

 Worker wages are low but worker technical KNOWLAGE tends to be very very low to nonexistant in those areas - and the areas that have workers with some technical knowlage tend to also have higher wages/cost of living.


 A4 info - check in the altcoin mining area, there are at least 2 threads there one with a fairly current update.
 A3 - appears to have been aborted, given how the A4 specs changed I'm starting to think the A3 was going to end up in the same ballpark as the LK-1401 on specs, competative with the best 28nm designs but NOT really any better and not worth the extra costs involved in producing it on a 14/16nm node.
5204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How to find ip/netmask for A2? on: June 27, 2016, 09:06:07 AM
I had a similar issue with the A2 units I bought from Zoomhash a while back.

 I pulled the SD card, put it on a reader attached to a LINUX system, mounted the card, then poked around in the networking config stuff to find the IP address - which was on a 10.x.x.x subnet as I recall, NOT the 192.168.x.x that Zoomhash CLAIMED the miners were on.

 Default netmask on a 192.168.x x subnet is /24 - you can use /16 under LINUX but that sometimes breaks some "picky" software.
5205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Etherum mining on: June 27, 2016, 09:01:32 AM
Any R7 card is very LOW END for mining on - I suspect you're not going to do a lot better.
One thing that MIGHT help some is to not run the most recent "Crimson" drivers, they're widely reported to be slow for mining under Win10 - back out to 15.12 or 15.7

5206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Radeon released RX 480. on: June 27, 2016, 08:53:39 AM

 A R9 280x at 92 when mining is nothing unusual - it's just the card is a hot running card - and it probably thermal limits around 95ish.


It is actually 102c where it reaches thermal limits and shut down the computer.. tested it Cheesy

 I probably should have said "thermal throttles" not "thermal limits".
 My R9 290 Sapphire Reference cards start throttling at 94, not sure what their shutdown temp is as I don't think they ever reached that.
5207  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community Miner Design Discussion on: June 27, 2016, 08:35:56 AM

Chinese corporates are swallowing the whale destroying the Bitcoin (along with themselves though) by monopolizing ASIC chips design and supply


 When did BitFury move to China?

 Also, GlobalFounderies DOES have at least one of their fabs in the US (ex-IBM as I recall? Or was it ex-Intel?).

5208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH mining on dual 7970s better in crossfire or individually? on: June 26, 2016, 07:46:04 AM
I've not seen ANY LINUX tool for AMD cards that allows voltage control at all.

UC is also problematic - ATICONFIG will let you set an underclock, but the card then IGNORES it in all of my experience with it on dozens of different cards.
Ditto CCC for LINUX.

OC on the other hand works just fine.


have you tried AMDOverdriveCTRL, atitweak etc?
before you could set Voltage settings you have to enable this feature elsewell it will ignored due GPU.
don't talk bullshit about OC/UC, OV/UV when you only don't know how to do that ...


 AMDOverdriveCTRL was never updated for the R9 290 or R9 280x, in my reading about it - and it flat out didn't do voltage adjustment on quite a few of the cards it was SUPPOSED to work on (locked BIOS issues was apparently the concensus on those cards).
 I tried to download atitweak from somewhere, but it came up as virus infected, and I never found anywhere else I COULD download it from that seemed like a legit site.

 Academic point on the voltages at this time, since I DID find working copies of TheStilt BIOS series and don't need to worry about LINUX-specific voltage mod tools any more.

5209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Radeon released RX 480. on: June 26, 2016, 07:39:40 AM
How many people running 90c temps have good computer cases on?


 Some cards run hotter, even with massive airflow through the case.

 R9 290, R9 280x, and especially the R9 290x were notorious for running hot - and lasting a long time anyway.

 My triple-box with 3 R9 290s (Stilt bios, dropped temps a LOT then I overclocked and brought them back up some) has 2 Delta 120mm 250CFM fans in front, the 4 stock 200 (220? 180? something crazy-big) fans on the side, and a low-flow 140 in the back I couldn't find a good place for. My 290s run anywhere from 75-85C even with THAT airflow at 90% fan setting and space between them - but they're also pushing 1060-1100 Mhz core clocks and that's in a room with ZERO a/c and decent airflow, but still pushing 95F inside-the-room ambient temps the last couple days (heat wave seeing highs around 90).

 My older HD 7xxx series cards I can generally keep under 70C, the various NVidias I set target and custom fan profiles on to keep them under 75C - the 7750s are an extreme, they all (except the Sapphire with it's GOOD original fan) have Delta 60mm screamers twist-tied to them and never see 60C.


 A R9 280x at 92 when mining is nothing unusual - it's just the card is a hot running card - and it probably thermal limits around 95ish.


5210  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: LiteCoin/ ETH mining? on: June 26, 2016, 07:26:57 AM
The only thing that hits a CPU hard in Ethereum mining is DAG file creation - my machines running Semperon 3000+ need a few minutes for that, but it interleaves with mining so it's not a noticeable slowdown issue even with that OLD low-performnace (by current standards) CPU.


 BTW - your GPU from what I've looked at about it is about a tossup to a little WEAKER than the on-chip GPU of the current A10-78xx series - which is considered to be ENTRY LEVEL at best and does not handle many higher-end games well if at all. Works fine on stuff that's 3+ years old, or stuff that isn't heavy graphics-intensive though.

 I wouldn't try to run current high-end FPS games or Ashes of the Singularity on it....

5211  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Change Voltage on S5 antminer on: June 25, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
The "software" voltage configuration on the S5 never actually worked - it's a string design with NO ability to configure the voltage.

You have some other issue if the miner isn't working, NOT an issue with the voltage setting.
5212  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 25, 2016, 07:22:25 AM
So, folks who know me on here know I have an interest in miner design. I have my ideas on how to do things and what is "good" and "not good", but plenty of other people also have their own ideas.

So I would like, if possible, to use this thread to facilitate civilised debate over possible features for a consumer-grade miner. Let's assume the machine sits in the spectrum of Avalon6 and S7 for general size and power consumption. Those attributes are fixed.


 Size, sure - but power consumption on BOTH of those units was quite high for a "home" miner.
 I'd aim for under 1KW and preferably WELL under for a "consumer" miner - 500-700 watt range is a lot more manageable for non-BIG FARM miners, IE the S5 and SP20.

 WiFi - definitely should be OPTIONAL.
 A lot of us don't have any use for it nor any interest in paying for it.
 Available AS AN OPTION, sure - some folks DO want it.
5213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: LiteCoin/ ETH mining? on: June 25, 2016, 07:10:20 AM
Forget mining Litecoin on ANY GPU - the best are very far inferior to the ORIGINAL Scypt-capable GC3355 ASIC, and that early ASIC is already unprofitable unless you have free electric.

 Your GPU is VERY VERY weak for Ethereum, even if it's a 2GB model - for perspective, the GTX 750ti 2GB only manages 3-4 MH/s ballpark on Ethereum despite being quite a bit more powerfull than the GT730.

 Even for gaming that's a pretty weak card - I'd go to at LEAST a GTX 950 (pretty inexpensive and viable for ETH mining at 10-11 MH/s, though more on the basis of decent hash/W ratio not so great on hash/$).

5214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: NiceHash Miner - easy-to-use best-profit multi-device cryptocurrency miner on: June 25, 2016, 07:03:57 AM

Download the full package[/url], unzip & run.


 Wish I could, but your insistance on using broken github makes it impossible for me.

 Still waiting on a reply to my earlier question of "where can I get it that does NOT use github".
5215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: what coin i can mine now? on: June 25, 2016, 07:02:29 AM
It's not a good card for Ethereum, my GTX 960s see about 11-12 MH/sec at best (barely more than my GTX 950s get though the power usage seems to also be just barely more).


5216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH mining on dual 7970s better in crossfire or individually? on: June 25, 2016, 06:55:14 AM
I've not seen ANY LINUX tool for AMD cards that allows voltage control at all.

UC is also problematic - ATICONFIG will let you set an underclock, but the card then IGNORES it in all of my experience with it on dozens of different cards.
Ditto CCC for LINUX.

OC on the other hand works just fine.
5217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Radeon RX 480 --- How many LTC can it mine per day? on: June 25, 2016, 06:52:13 AM
To achieve 0.1 LTC/day, the card would have to mine about 10 MH/s - which is *AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE* greater than any GPU has ever managed.

 NOT POSSIBLE.

 I seriously doubt the card will be able to manage 2 MH/s, much less 10.
1.something it MIGHT manage - but that's entirely due to it clocking quite a bit higher than any other card ever used for Litecoin, and DESPITE it having fewer stream units than some cards that HAVE been used for Litecoin in the past.

 Keep in mind that Scrypt wasn't a "memory intensive" protocal to anywhere near the same degree that Ethereum is - it was more limited by the processing units x clock rate.

 I stand by my original reply, it won't be as efficient as ANY Scrypt-related ASIC has managed - closer than anything that came before, but STILL inferior to the original-generation GC3355 much less anything more current - and those GC3355 units are NOT PROFITABLE any more unless you have free electric.




5218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum mining still profitable? on: June 25, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
The Ethereum price rose a lot in the last 24 hours. It was not very profitable for me yesterday, it is very profitable now.

 Dang, you must have EXPEN$IVE power or a very inefficient mining setup.

5219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 14nm A4 Dominator ASIC, world best 1.5W/Mhs efficiency, coming soon on: June 25, 2016, 06:23:56 AM
I doubt that the miners would have sold at $4000 on the original spec - probably more like $6-7000.

Even with the reduced "final" spec, the price is a LOT more reasonable than I was anticipating - especially if the miner is configurable to be able to use the "more efficient" settings the chip has available, and *IF* it can use the less-efficient but higher-hashrate setting the chip ALSO has available.


 Based on the final spec, they appear to be running the chip at the second-highest hashrate setting in their table, or close to it - which is also the second LOWEST efficiency.




5220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Buying New GPUS on: June 25, 2016, 06:19:54 AM
Ive tried running the stilt bios on my 290's but they all cause a terrible video problem where theres this checkered pattern and I can hardly see anything displayed.  I have tried running various stilt bios for the 290 but they all act the same.

Any ideas?

 At least one site I found that actually had the BIOS files has the numbers mixed up for the 290 bios and the 290x BIOS versions - watch when you flash that you're flashing the RIGHT BIOS type, flashing a 290x BIOS on a 290 card CAN cause the issues you have seen.


 The main difference between the versions, other than the 290/290x split, is the default voltage setpoint - the higher number versions undervolt more, and IN THEORY should reduce power consumption vs higher number versions - with the tradeoff being the potential that the card won't be able to clock as high.
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