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4781  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Innosilicon's A4 Dominator, 1.2W/Mhs 14nm ASIC and miner, open for Partners on: October 24, 2016, 12:07:36 AM
A3 has apparently been dropped. I remember one rumour (from a souce that had the money to be an Innosilicon partner) that it turned out to be BW 1401 level efficiency (or S7 level in BitMain terms).
Dunno if Innosilicon is working on a more efficient version behind the scenes, if that's the case.

Given the final results on the A4, I'm tending to believe that rumour.


4782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the average life of a mining rig? on: October 23, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
The "seperate ground wire" was a recomendation BEFORE the 1996 NEC revision, it became a requirement after that.

 I'm not currently an electrician - let the license and bonding expire years back when I went into other work - but I keep up on the changes when I can.

 I DO strongly recommend that you DO NOT DO ELECTRICAL WIRING unless it's inspected afterwards by a trained electrician that DOES know the code for where you are at - amateurs make way too many mistakes that can cause shorts, fires, and overloads through ignorance.

4783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Innosilicon's A4 Dominator, 1.2W/Mhs 14nm ASIC and miner, open for Partners on: October 23, 2016, 05:16:53 AM

Since these seem to be very similar to the Titans -- is it possible that no new chips were ever produced and this is just KNC chips (or copies of them) placed in new boards with new software?

Just curious how the stats could be so far off.



 The stats on the CHIPS aren't even close.

KNC liked "big chip" designs, Innosilicon prefers "more chips but smaller".

 Think Spondoolies vs. Bitmain for comparison.


 I would anticipate pricing on the A2 to drop once a significant quantity of A4s start shipping - but not real fast, they're still profitable after all even at near-average Electric pricing.

4784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ZCash Mining Guide on: October 22, 2016, 08:01:45 AM
Coins made for CPU mining are the real cancer on the Crypto Coins.

Evervy coin that launch for CPU mining proves that are made for people that infect another people computers with virus/backdoor programs.
So, have a great potential to become a "Cracker's" coin.
If someone doubt that, see the great "monero" miners, a Huge number of zombies mining for 10 or less crackers.

I agree with that totally. That is the reason I do not like the Monero. I only mine the GPU cooins such as Ethereum.

 Strange, seems like most Monero miners currently are using GPUs.

4785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zcash GPU miner on: October 22, 2016, 07:59:56 AM
Some good soul could tell me what is the best Linux for mining Zcash, or any can be used?

Most mining program writers that support a specific LINUX generally make packages for Ubuntu 14.04 and occasionally for other Ubuntu versions.

 Those packages will generally work on most Debian-based LINUX variations with little or no additional work, if the otehr variation is recent enough.

 Otherwise, it's source code compile and that's going to be pretty much "any distribution of recent enough vintage and with the right drivers" should work.
4786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the average life of a mining rig? on: October 22, 2016, 07:55:35 AM
I'm only seeing about a 2x kick. It varies depending on the motor startup circuit, load, type of motor, etc.

 You'd have to SEE the wiring setup on this place to believe it though - the actual wire used is decent, the boxes and breakers are QO but the actual INSTALLATION is a massive code issue - I suspect the wiring was all done before code was adopted here.

 Ever seen an OUTDOOR breaker box on a house, using an INDOOR panel? At least that's the neighbor's box, and whoever installed it used silicone sealer around all of the openings, but GAH.....

 Overall, I'm most worried about the use of bloody spices (they DID use the insulated screw-on connector type stuff that USED to be valid under the code but does tend to have issues at times) and the breakers overheat-derating too much come summertime (but I'm planning to be OUT of here by then, and I'm VERY well aware of required derating for higher temps).


 I was, in the past, a union-trained Journeyman Electrician, bonded and licensed for a few years (in another state, but NEC is NEC). Code hasn't changed a TON since then, other than to adopt some "best practices" recommendation type stuff that is now required (like seperate ground wire, which was only a recommendation 'till the 1996 revision), but this stuff is scary in some ways.

4787  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Solar panel powered mining ? on: October 20, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
It could be done, but you would need multiple panels or perhaps a VERY LARGE commercial-type panel, and one heck of a large battery bank or a "grid-tie" setup to handle times when there is no sun.

4788  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is it possible to mine crypto currency with Hardware Security Modules (HSM)? on: October 20, 2016, 10:38:48 PM
Given the support for SHA-1 and SHA-2 at 256 bit, it MIGHT be possible to write a kludge program to get it to mine Bitcoin - but it's not going to be competative with a Bitcoin ASIC unit.

 So on a PRACTICAL basis, no.

4789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the average life of a mining rig? on: October 20, 2016, 10:25:46 PM
My cooler is supposed to be a 1/4 HP but it draws about 500 watts at high setting (actual measured figure, higher for a fractional second when the fan motor starts up), I suspect it's actually a 1/3 HP. Electric motors are usually highly efficient, but they are NOT 100% efficient (1 HP = appx 750 watts at 100% efficiency).

 If I was willing to run every circuit at 100% of breaker limit, I'd have enough power - but the house is old enough I'm actually targeting 75% to be safe, *AND* I have to worry about the total draw on the main breaker being the REAL hard limit here.


 I AM thinking about breaking down some of the parts out of my cooler and using them on my existing fans to make impromptu evaps, it would save noticeable power.
 I'm hoping to be out of this place before I actually NEED the evep though - 6 month lease and I figure that last couple weeks to a month of that for actually moving....



4790  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What is the BEST mining hardware at the moment? on: October 20, 2016, 12:08:43 AM
Right now, for a lot of folks, the best isn't Bitcoin mining at all but GPU mining of altcoins (EHT and XMR currently are the hot coins, ZCash might get hot but now it's still in the "get it working at all" pre-release stage, couple other "dark horses" out there but seem to have quite narrow limitations).

 This may change *YET AGAIN* over the next couple months as BitFury is apparenly FINALLY actually getting something out into 3'd party hands and other shifts keep happening in cryptocoin mining in general.

4791  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DAG file for 1Gb card? on: October 19, 2016, 11:59:52 PM
Another question - is there a way to split one dag to pieces?

The answer is no. You need to have at least 2GB card to do the Ethereum mining. It is better to have 4GB cards.

 3GB cards will proably be fine for the remaining PoW lifetime of ETH - but that's older cards for the most part, I think the only current 3GB offering is one version of the "GTX 1060" that's also reduced core count and NOT a good miner card overall.

 3GB cards might get outdated eventually on some of the ETH alternate coin(s) like ETC if those stick with PoW.

4792  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Maintaining proper humidity level on: October 19, 2016, 11:44:33 PM
Evaporative cooler aka "Swamp Cooler" - both helps keep the temps under control for a LOT less money than an A/C in low-humidity areas, and helps keep the humidity level up.


I don't worry too much about humidity levels though, the relatively dry air where I'm at now seems to be HELPING my sinuses a lot.

4793  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: So, only one Bitcoin miner on market right now. on: October 19, 2016, 11:41:01 PM

 XMR might be an option - but watch it tank on profitability hard if a bunch of ex-ETH mining cards suddenly shift when they can't do the DAG any more.

This is not an if but when.  POS for ETH might come sooner than expected if the China 0 fee "hacking" continues...in which case XMR difficulty would go through the roof.  I hope people enjoy playing video games...

 There's a reason I've been building my recent rigs for what I've been doing with them - max flexibility and close to optimal for my PLANNED long-term usage of them (which the 1070 rigs have been doing for a month or so now, and the next 2 planned rigs will go straight into).

 Up side - other than the 1070 rigs, I think pretty much all the hardware I've used on ETH is now paid for or VERY close.
 Down side - I'm having to scramble more than I'd prefer to keep enough income going with changes overall to cryptocoin mining the last few months *AND* my own move complicating things.

4794  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the average life of a mining rig? on: October 19, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
I've already got my swamp cooler in the house, just not hooked up.

 Unfortunately, I'll have to shut down SOMETHING to power it when I need it.



 On a side note - I had quite a few of my DNet machines (the Distributed net client isn't mining as such, but puts very similar loads on a system for the same reasons) last ballpark 20 years before I finally retired most of the oldest ones when I moved this summer. The primary issue I ever had with those was FANS dying (and often causing overheat-related other dead parts), followed by motherboards dying.

4795  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How big is the mining world? on: October 19, 2016, 05:38:06 AM

Mining requires cheap electricity.  Most large scale mining occurs in areas with surplus hydro electricity.  Think western China, Washington state in USA, Georgia or parts of Canada.

Any mining in the UK would be very small scale by hobbyists or people with free electricity (renters of apartments and so on).  UK is not likely to be considered by serious mining investors.  

For Bitcoin, serious investors are after bulk electricity at under 4 cents per kWh.  This normally means near a hydro dam with surplus power.


 You CAN mine without cheap electric.
 
 You are going to be hard put to mine PROFITABLY for very long without it, and if you want to ever earn your money back on the mining gear you buy you better have VERY cheap electric or cheap electric and got one heck of a good deal on used gear (or price-war gear).


 I doubt there are ANY large farms in the UK, and not a lot of miners in general.



4796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the average life of a mining rig? on: October 19, 2016, 05:29:28 AM
I ended up sticking some 60mm x 25mm Delta fans on my "fan died" HIS HD 7750 cards - they were left-over from CPU cooler days, I KNEW they blew plenty of air and had GOOD bearings.

 Turns out the cards run about 20c COOLER now, despite no shroud or any fancy mount directing the airflow - but they DID get quite a bit noisier.
 Thank goodness none of them were the 8000RPM screamers....


 The IceQ HD7870 has been a nice solid cool-running card, only issue with it is the fan sticks out so far it's a 2.5 space card.



 Don't get me started on reaching "max safe power limits" on my current place. Got everything traced out, and figured, and I'm going to have to shut down the A2 88Mh/s cause I don't have enough power for all 5 of my A2 units, and it's the lowest income generator I have left right now.



4797  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: So, only one Bitcoin miner on market right now. on: October 19, 2016, 05:23:12 AM
16-14nm is going to be current technology for quite a while until we shift to 12nm or whatever the next step will be, power and performance gains will be very minor in the future, and ASICs should have a marginally longer life than they currently have. That said, it's your choice, and I actually don't recommend mining right now.

 10nm pure silicon or 7nm silicon/germanium alloy/matrix, depending on if the Intel vision or the IBM vision makes it into mass production first.

 BOTH have said "10nm is end of the road for pure silicon" - which implies a rather long gap to get the infrastructure built up to handle making wafers that are NOT pure silicon in sufficient quantity past 10nm.

 The other issue with ETH mining the last month is that the profitability has gone back into "major drop" mode due to the huge number of folks moving into ETH mining + dag file size growth dropping hashrates a little across the board for existing rigs + price seems to be stagnating at best.
 I suspect there will be a short "bump" in a few months, when the DAG file gets so large that 2GB cards can't mine ETH any more, then back to dropping profitability 'till the big POS switch finally happens.

 X11 is NOT a GPU option any more, can't even break even at 2c/KWH with ANY gpu due to the widespread deployment of multiple ASIC that handle X11. Baikal also handles X13/X15 and a couple other algorythms that don't have any "large scale" coins at all, write those off too.

 XMR might be an option - but watch it tank on profitability hard if a bunch of ex-ETH mining cards suddenly shift when they can't do the DAG any more.



 It does look like the ASIC wars are about to reopen, after too many months of BitMain having the only small-miner available new option. 8-)



4798  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: most potential Miner for making money. on: October 19, 2016, 05:15:21 AM
its look promising miner hardware with 150 MH, but unfortunately that miner without the power supply. i think if the miner is include with power supply, it would be good so we don't have to buy power supply by ourself.

 Miner sold with no PS is common - get used to it.

 Miner that INCLUDED a power supply was never particularly common, and the trend has been away from that for a while now for many reasons.


 One interesting concept for those of us that ran Gridseed "80 blades" - the same PS setup for one "blade" rig could easily run a pair of Baikals.
4799  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping on: October 19, 2016, 05:12:40 AM

You'll use a lot more energy if you max out a PSU (plus it creates more heat).  You'll consume less energy if you use a PSU at 50% to 60% load.


 All of the gold power supplies I've worked with are 1-2% more efficient near 50% than at 80-90%. It's not that big of a difference - you could save MORE by going to a same-size Platinum-rated PS (or comparable, Seasonic X-1200 Plat instead of the X-1250 Gold for example) and would probably pay LESS than by going to a 1600 gold from the same manufacturer.


 I DO recommend SOME "overhead" space for potential overclocking, manufacturing variences, and better reliability - but running at 50% is totally a waste of a lot of cost on the power supply.



 There seemed to be a bit of variation on the A2 Mega hash boards over time, but the pair I put X1250s into used normal 8-pin PCI-E connections on the hash boards, and a standard ATX-24 on the fan/control board.
 *ALL* of my A2s are 5-fan model, though one is a "long case" 88 and one a "short case" 110 with thin back fans.
 I have seen mention of some hash boards that used a "CPU-type" layout on the power connector - those had to have PCI-E plugs put in backwards to use a standard ATX PS.



 1600 is NOT that much more efficient than the 1300 - the numbers you're citing would make it a Platinum challenging for TITANIUM level supply, not a gold. 92-93% MAYBE at 50%.
 It would take a LONG time to make up the difference in electric usage vs the additional BIG COST of the bigger PS in that case.



4800  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]CureCoin - Protein Folding Research based Proof of Work on: October 19, 2016, 05:02:13 AM

Actually not a M$ or more, just a few k$ per week would suffice to progressively and steadily increase the value of CC and at the end bring all GPU miners stop contributing to global warming spending tens of GWh just for PoW (and therefore producing a lot of CO2 for "nothing") and doing instead something useful (folding) while generating profit.

 I noticed we had a big buyer today, did the math on their near-10k buy (might have been 10k before I got on to check the exchange) and a few $k a week WOULD be noticeable.

 On the other hand, a $Million as a "floor" order would be nice too, especially if it shifted up a bit every day or even every week.

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