Very simply as the thread title says, Cloud Token has no verifiable revenue generation, relying solely on new investors money to pay out 10% to 15% monthly thus being an automated money making machine aka a Ponzi pretending to use miracle arbitraging software, with affiliate recruitment thru the deep MLM structure being the lucrative angle. Quite a straightforwardly obvious scam so I'm not going to waste my posting time or your reading time elaborating on it further here. Read this for further information, paying particular attention to the third comment. I can safely say that the Cloud Token “wallet” has no capability of being a crypto wallet in of itself at all. All they did was make a mobile interface using Java, with no actual cryptographic functions at all. It is simple an interface to create an online account on Cloud Token’s private servers. Meaning, it’s just someone else’s wallet.
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My feeling is that it depends on their decision as to your Bitcoin activities. If they think of you are a currency dealer, then you may have to pay tax on the Bitcoin price rise element. If they consider Bitcoin to be a currency, then I suspect you may not have to pay the gain.
I think you should start with the assumption that any activity you carry out which creates profit will be taxable, the question is whether it will be classified as income or capital gain. That will depend on your individual circumstances and the "badges of trade" criteria. Whether they consider Bitcoin a currency or not a currency is a red herring; holding any non sterling currency is holding an asset and appreciation in its sterling value is potentially taxable, like that of any other asset.
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If I keep the Bitcoin for a year, and the price rises to £104,000, then I believe that the "extra" £100,000 is not liable to tax. That would be nice, but highly unlikely. IANAA, but HMRC would probably take the view that the BTC became a taxable asset when you received it, at a booked value of £4100. They would probably say that you bought the domain name for £100 and sold it/exchanged it for an asset worth £4100 as transaction #1 (and tax you on that £4k profit), then used that net £4k to effectively become the owner of second asset i.e. the BTC, and then tax you on the £100k profit you make on it as transaction #2. I take it you have tried to make sense of this?
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Small example I know nutildah have trust in me for not being a scammer and for being a "good, contributing" member, I was on his trust list, still he took me off cause I think tmfp or something distrusts me, I never have a bad feeling for these things and understand if one wants to succeed in something then they probably have to chose sides and trust or distrust members for getting on this DT1...
Seeing as you've brought my name up (or something) I'll make my personal position super clear. I am not part of any "clique" or circle jerk here. I have nothing to do with "choosing sides", forum politics, doing "trust deals" or scratching backs with nutildah or anyone else. I explained at the time why I put you on my exclusion list. You're too nice a guy to be on DT.
I was being a nice guy too. What I actually meant was I think that your "one of the lads", see-the-best-in-people type nature, however pleasant a drinking partner or reliable a friend it may make you, borders on naivety, which is a quality I personally don't think is desirable on Default Trust. This may be my problem, being over cynical, but it's my honest opinion. And whilst I'm making enemies of your homies, those are the same reasons I wouldn't support you being a Merit Source either.
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1.That is, mining is ponzi?
Mining is a sector where minerals are dug up or coins created; it is neither a ponzi nor not a ponzi in itself. 2. Wikipedia claims a lot of absurd things. For example, that the plots on the moon are sold.
Nearly as absurd as your imaginary difference between HYIPs and Ponzis. The term "HYIP" was invented by the scam industry to make their "too good to be true" inventions sound legitimate. A legitimate investment scheme is a provably legitimate investment scheme, irrespective of yield. Use authoritative sources: There are two types of HYIPs (or High Yield Investment Programs), others have to do with banking or investment in some offshore trading company with shady rules and cryptic technicalities, and these are the ones you will want to avoid. The other kind is the transparent kind that involves investment in shares, gold, futures or other local, understandable and verifiable trading setup. Take your own advice. Your "authoritative source" quote is dredged up from a site called streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/ 3 .You are not oriented at all in elementary concepts.
Obviously the only person who knows anything about anything is you. Cryptodevil's feedback was and is accurate in my opinion and I would be surprised if he is convinced by your scammer hair splitting to remove it. You'll be happy to read that I won't burden you and your pointless thread any further with my uninformed comments.
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What trust depth are you using?
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Completely coincidentally, 40 minutes later in OgNasty's "Merit giveaway for forum contributions!" thread...
Looks to me like he put a lot of work in. I enjoyed reading through much of it. It is a good read, both in the original version and his edited one. If anyone thinks reformatted copypasta is worth merits, go for it. .... It's nearly 3 hours of work and no one seems to enjoy reading it except you. I thought I need to make an effort for the topic to look good but ended up being criticized by others. but I still don't mine as long as I share some knowledge for the newbies, I can take any insult with me and I know people have different attitude some are nice and some are not. for as long as I know there is nothing wrong with what I am doing, I will continue sharing.
Don't be so sensitive. I appreciate it must be difficult for non English speakers to "rank up", as you put it, just wondering whether wholesale copypasta (reformatted or not) is the way forward?
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Stop lying, click on the link and see. The site has a faucet. That's the second time you have called me a liar. I suggest you stop. In the above quote there is nothing about Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes are known for not calling themselves ponzi schemes. If they pretend to be legitimate, it helps people like you rip off new investors. Do you even know what the ponzi scheme is? Oh yes. Schemes like Chain.group and FinriversPeople who post scam threads like these only in the Russian HYIP ghetto usually avoid red trust, but I can always make an exception. Я не владелец/не админ проекта. Of course you're not. You're not helping your case here buddy.
He has no case.
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Did I really deny that I received payments from the faucet? Where is the evidence that I advertised Ponzi scheme?
CryptoMonitor was not a faucet, that thread was a deliberate ponzi pretending to cloud mine and duly shut down. You posted several times with "proof of payment" in that thread (you have since deleted those posts. Why is that?) Posting proof of payment in ponzi threads is seen as promoting, hence your negative trust feedback. You don't have to agree. End of story. No need to lie. What's this? Where is your evidence that this ponzi scheme? This is not a faucet, it's a cloud mining ponzi. Start project: 05.11.2015 CryptoMonitor: http://cryptomonitor.net/user/reg.phpFeatures: - Referral plan: 5%; - Minimum Deposit: 0.001 BTC; - Minimum payout: 0.001 BTC - There is NO fee for input/output; - Accept: BitCoin (BTC); - Withdrawal: Manual up to 24 hours. - Return of Deposit: included in daily interest. Investment plan:- 0.1% - 1% daily from Deposit - Deposit work up to 200%Our hashpower: 670 MH/s [RADEON R9 390x3] + [Radeon HD 380x28 P9] + [Radeon HD 7950x1] Pool: COINOTRON.COM Screenshot first farm:
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Did I really deny that I received payments from the faucet? Where is the evidence that I advertised Ponzi scheme?
CryptoMonitor was not a faucet, that thread was a deliberate ponzi pretending to cloud mine and duly shut down. You posted several times with "proof of payment" in that thread (you have since deleted those posts. Why is that?) Posting proof of payment in ponzi threads is seen as promoting, hence your negative trust feedback. You don't have to agree. End of story.
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cryptodevil marked my trust in red. I do not understand why he did it?
What part of Promoting HYIP ponzi scam do you not understand? He probably just made a mistake. More likely it was you made the mistake of thinking that, as it's accepted to promote ponzis in the Russian local/HYIP forum (which you do continually), you could therefore post support in the reference English main board thread of the scam cryptomonitordotnet and get away with it, despite cryptodevil leaving large font posts there saying that he would leave red trust to anyone doing so. But you will no doubt say you haven't deleted that post.
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cryptodevil marked my trust in red. I do not understand why he did it?
What part of Promoting HYIP ponzi scam do you not understand?
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Completely coincidentally, 40 minutes later in OgNasty's "Merit giveaway for forum contributions!" thread...
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Where can I find teh whitepaper? Is there one?
Here you go.
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I followed that link and commented on it, which may or may not be helpful on this subject.
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UPDATE :
The exchange will go live on 1 May, after going live there will first be a Security Audit. After that the exchange will be open to everyone.
We also expect to be able to report something else quickly, we are still waiting for confirmation.
Does that mean you will stop paying for shill posting on this thread to cover up for the total lack of interest in this scheme?
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If really the claim is proven then I would not hesitate to tag the users.
Having carried out a similar check to that done by Bitcoin_Arena, I think it is extremely likely that the vouches are fake, either from personal alts, as part of a network or bought from a third party. It depends on at what level of probability you come to " strongly believe that this person is a scammer". This does not require signed confessions, courtroom quality proof, nor agonizing over innocent until proven guilty, this is simply your strong belief.
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Yes, they've been on a deleting spree, including a couple of mine which were not particularly critical. Unfortunately, the Bitcointalk community has been invaded with so called, "defenders from scams".
Having been here far longer than you, I would say that there have always been forum members, like myself, who point out the lies and false claims made here by scammers promoting scams, which have multiplied like bacteria over the past couple of years. Maybe it would be more accurate to say Unfortunately, the Bitcointalk community has been invaded with so called "investment opportunities" or "scams" masquerading as alt coins, many of whom have recently used self moderation to hide from legitimate questions and criticism.
Asking a question while saying malicious things about me or the project.
Please point out the "malicious things" I have said. You could even try answering the question. But, of course, it's all the fault of the trust system ... In addition, the trust ratings on Bitcointalk mean absolutely nothing. There is a group going around bashing developers who dont subscribe to their ICOEthics program. It has no affect on our programs.
The other Scam Accusation thread seems to sum up the situation fairly accurately The dev keeps removing peoples posts, basically he is looking for 20 btc in presale before he launches a wallet or the source, or the project. pretty much a scam for sure !!!
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