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541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - E-SPORTS/WATER PROJECT*BULLION/AMAZON*8 EXCHANGES*38 MERCHANTS on: March 24, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
So it seems that Noblecoin didn't make the list for Vault of Satoshi.

It looks like they are saying that we fall under the category of not having enough development (and yet MaxCoin made it...).

I know that there have been issues with the block explorer (along with coinmarketcap), but what other things does Noblecoin need to make it seem more "developed?" There's already a bunch of things, but maybe more of the bounties need to be fulfilled?
542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who buys altcoins when they die? on: March 21, 2014, 06:46:58 AM
Precisely as had been stated: whales or speculation of some sort.

You can get something and if it pops up somehow, each additional satoshi is an additional 100% return (minus exchange fees). I mean look at Mooncoin: after the initial spike of about 8 satoshi, it dropped to sub 1 satoshi levels. Those who got it at that point before cryptsy picked it up easily made up to 3000%. That's a hell of a return for some speculation and pumping. Not saying anything about the ethics of it, but from a financial aspect, that's a pretty wicked killing.
543  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wolfram Alpha Computational Knowledge Engine now interprets 'Bitcoin' on: March 21, 2014, 12:33:57 AM
Wow, this is really awesome. Kinda goes hand in hand naturally. After all cryptography is a subset of mathematics.
544  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think the alt-coin crash is hurting bitcoin? on: March 21, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
I definitely think that there is a significant impact with the scamming, pump and dumps, crashing, hacking, etc. of many things in the alt-coin scene. It causes a relatively new market segment to go away and the hacks also contribute to driving the price down as those bitcoins are continuously laundered and cycled so that they can be dumped.
545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: KNC Entering Scrypt Mining Hardware. on: March 20, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
This will crush the 90-99% of us who are GPU-mining and not interested in investing big $ on what has become an increasingly risky venture. I figured I'd be able to mine until 1Q2015, but now it looks like I'll be dropping out by mid-summer. By fall Scrypt mining will be concentrated in a small number of commercialized mining operations (or a few deep-pocketed individuals).

I wonder how that will impact the flood of altcoins? With fewer miners it will be harder for pointless altcoins to get any hashrate to speak of, which is a good thing. So fewer miners may result in a rallying around the more reasonable altcoins with the rest permanently dropping into the abyss.

I agree that this will have a centralizing effect on mining, but at the same time, I think this opens the door for some of the new generation of cryptocurrencies that are fervently being worked on. I think this is the catalyst that drives crypto-currencies into a new paradigm.
I agree that this will provide progress to scrypt coins overall, but it kind of forces the smaller miners out...which I don't like.
Yeah, the biggest drawback with ASICs is that it unintentionally punishes hobbyists that cannot afford the costs of these machines. However, I think as we continue to drive on this crypto-currency scene we'll continue to see blockchains that rely on different parameters that will allow hobbyists to continue to participate. The problem is that a lot of the people who came to this scene came in hopes for quick profit will see that there is a harsh underpinning in the crypto-currency world. And a lot of them will resist moving to another system that doesn't reward as handsomely as it does now.

The way I see it though, it's a cycle that continually grows.
546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which is better, Dogecoin or Litecoin? on: March 20, 2014, 04:29:20 PM
A really good point that has been brought up is the battle between infrastructure and marketing.

My take is that whoever wins the infrastructure battle will win this overall. And one of the keys is whoever can get onto Coinbase first. Mind you, getting on Coinbase itself is quite unlikely at the moment, but I can see a startup that functions like Coinbase dealing in either LTC, DOGE, or really any other coin getting picked up by Coinbase.

That will give them a significant edge as the amount of integration that Coinbase provides is frankly astounding for how young the crypto-currency scene is. After all, Overstock partnered with Coinbase to start accepting BTC. And whatever other currency can get picked up by them will have the clear advantage.

Sure having a marketing edge is nice, but it doesn't mean anything without strong infrastructure. The reason why McDonald's is so strong is not only because of marketing. They have insane Logistics and Supply Chains that are well-managed and well-formed that allows them to not fall under the weight that they have. That's why for a long time, prior to the 2008 recession, McDonald's was the price-maker in the fast food scene. Their infrastructure allowed them to provide the most competitive price.

Going back to Coinbase once again, I don't think they will transact in another coin other than BTC for the short- to medium-term. It's much more likely they would acquire a startup dealing in another crypto-currency. After all, I'm pretty sure Coinbase would rather not have to get through the legal and financial hurdles that they had to with BTC.

The Litecoin creator works at Coinbase , the next coin on Coinbase will be Litecoin and that's 100%.

I should clarify, I think that LTC has a higher likelihood of being picked up by Coinbase than any other crypto-currency. That said, just because the creator of Litecoin works at Coinbase doesn't mean that it'll be the next crypto-currency on there. This was discussed 6 months ago when that news was released; after all, he's not the owner of Coinbase and let's face it, they are still developing their platforms for Bitcoin as it is right now. Additionally, there are tons of barriers and legwork that needs to be done in order to add a second crypto-currency systematically. I mean even the U.S. government is still murky on so many points regarding Bitcoin; so for a single company to add a second coin wouldn't make sense. I still stand by my comment that it's more likely for another startup to deal with LTC before that startup being acquired by Coinbase. It just makes much more prudent business sense at the moment.
547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which is better, Dogecoin or Litecoin? on: March 20, 2014, 02:42:15 PM
A really good point that has been brought up is the battle between infrastructure and marketing.

My take is that whoever wins the infrastructure battle will win this overall. And one of the keys is whoever can get onto Coinbase first. Mind you, getting on Coinbase itself is quite unlikely at the moment, but I can see a startup that functions like Coinbase dealing in either LTC, DOGE, or really any other coin getting picked up by Coinbase.

That will give them a significant edge as the amount of integration that Coinbase provides is frankly astounding for how young the crypto-currency scene is. After all, Overstock partnered with Coinbase to start accepting BTC. And whatever other currency can get picked up by them will have the clear advantage.

Sure having a marketing edge is nice, but it doesn't mean anything without strong infrastructure. The reason why McDonald's is so strong is not only because of marketing. They have insane Logistics and Supply Chains that are well-managed and well-formed that allows them to not fall under the weight that they have. That's why for a long time, prior to the 2008 recession, McDonald's was the price-maker in the fast food scene. Their infrastructure allowed them to provide the most competitive price.

Going back to Coinbase once again, I don't think they will transact in another coin other than BTC for the short- to medium-term. It's much more likely they would acquire a startup dealing in another crypto-currency. After all, I'm pretty sure Coinbase would rather not have to get through the legal and financial hurdles that they had to with BTC.
548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: KNC Entering Scrypt Mining Hardware. on: March 20, 2014, 03:03:32 AM
This will crush the 90-99% of us who are GPU-mining and not interested in investing big $ on what has become an increasingly risky venture. I figured I'd be able to mine until 1Q2015, but now it looks like I'll be dropping out by mid-summer. By fall Scrypt mining will be concentrated in a small number of commercialized mining operations (or a few deep-pocketed individuals).

I wonder how that will impact the flood of altcoins? With fewer miners it will be harder for pointless altcoins to get any hashrate to speak of, which is a good thing. So fewer miners may result in a rallying around the more reasonable altcoins with the rest permanently dropping into the abyss.

I agree that this will have a centralizing effect on mining, but at the same time, I think this opens the door for some of the new generation of cryptocurrencies that are fervently being worked on. I think this is the catalyst that drives crypto-currencies into a new paradigm.
549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why the community should embrace LTC rather than BTC on: March 20, 2014, 01:50:15 AM
Regarding your fourth point, I don't know if that will necessarily be the case. The difference this time around is that when the Bitcoin ASICs first came out there were only a handful of coins (pretty much BTC, PPC, TRC and FRC). Now though, there is a plethora of competing coins using sCrypt and quite a few of them have significant market caps; plus there are even more that have smaller caps, and even more that keep getting churned out. Secondly, there are no other coins being built upon any of the sCrypt coins like Bitcoin has (no NMC, DVC, etc.). I think these two factors will severely inhibit the continual capitalization of LTC's market cap.

That said, if most of the new network power goes towards LTC, I think that'll mitigate the prevention of growth. But I don't think that'll necessarily happen; and if it does, the effect won't be as significant as it was for Bitcoin.
550  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Take My Bitcoins - New Gameshow on: March 20, 2014, 01:37:11 AM
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Sponsored by Butterfly Labs

Trying to ease the guilt brought on by all their ill-gotten money by giving it away instead of returning it to its rightful owners?

Yep. I can't stop laughing at the irony.

"Take My Bitcoins" sponsored by BFL.

Gosh, you can't make this shit up.
551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - E-SPORTS/WATER PROJECT**MARKETPLACE**8 EXCHANGES**38 MERCHANTS on: March 20, 2014, 12:04:36 AM
Quick Note on Bullion

Amagi Metals have given us permission to use their stock and send orders their way (http://www.amagimetals.com/). They have been beyond welcoming and professional and we are constantly dealing with many businesses embracing cryptocurrency in the background to push NOBL further. This is no way implies any sort of official partnership or the marketplace representing them, but they are one of a few BTC/Crypto/Bullion friendly suppliers that we are talking to to make sure we have a number of suppliers and good stock in different regions who can deliver from a legal/regulatory standpoint and will take orders from us also. They also currently accept BTC/LTC/DOGE direct on their site so longer-term we are hoping to get NOBL in there at some point too (no promises). Smiley

In terms of amount sold, it will only be smaller purchases initially at a time (think 1-10oz silver - or up to a BTC per order if volume permits) to test the waters and make sure we're completely covered in terms of fees/legalities/licensing/reporting. Obviously no details require sharing with official bodies as we aren't doing the huge orders that legally demand an official report. Many of us have bought and sold on eBay for years so we understand the game/legal requirements but with crypto. involved we want to be completely sure.

Wow, this is awesome! I've used Amagi Metals in the past and they've always been solid. Keep the awesome hits coming Rofo!
552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - E-SPORTS/WATER PROJECT**MARKETPLACE**8 EXCHANGES**38 MERCHANTS on: March 20, 2014, 12:01:44 AM
Just posted to the Vault of Satoshi thread. Hopefully it helps. Fortunately, my post ended on the top of the page so hopefully it gets us a little bit more traction.
553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Vault of Satoshi asks What Coins Do You Want to See? on: March 19, 2014, 10:58:56 PM
Hi there,

I'm throwing my vote in for Noblecoin. Admittedly, I could have used my vote for one of the several other coins that I currently have some vested stake in, but frankly, Noblecoin continues to impress me. The dev Rofo is one of the most professional people I have encountered and is very transparent regarding many topics including the pre-mine that is attached to this coin. Noblecoin has done a very solid job addressing that particular topic with its public ledger and has done very well focusing on its particular mission plan and roadmap.

Despite the size of the community compared to other communities, it successfully completed an ambitious charity endeavor by donating over $5,000 to the Water Project within the first two months of being created. In fact, Rofo and his team was key in coordinating with the Water Project to enable the use of crypto-currencies for their charity. I commend him for doing that and much more.

Additionally, this coin, despite the adversity it has faced and the currently cloudy scene of the alt-community, has continued developing infrastructure for itself with the establishment of the Noblecoin Marketplace and has a clear road map for its future (including partnering to sell precious metals in the marketplace). Rofo has also taken on the task of unifying with new regulation in Australia regarding the taxation of cryptocurrency. There is no doubt in my mind that he will continue to pull through for the community and continue to go beyond the call to make Noblecoin fulfill its mission.

This is why I feel that Noblecoin is worthy of consideration on Vault of Satoshi. Thank you for reading my response and I hope you consider Noblecoin as a candidate.

Best Regards,
hellscabane
554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will you still have bitcoins when the USD price hits $5000 on: March 19, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
Sure, I'll have bitcoins when the BTC/USD rate hits $5000. I mean why wouldn't I?

Will it be as much as I have now? Probably not.
555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NobleCoin adding Precious Metals to Marketplace on: March 19, 2014, 04:19:59 PM
Really exciting times for sure.

This is really awesome news to see. It seems that the Noblecoin Marketplace is striving to continuously impress and this is also a very nice promotion. Keep it going you guys! Great job!
556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Leaked logs proving Wolong has 4.2 billion pandas on: March 19, 2014, 02:36:35 AM

 Sure it could keep going "higher and higher," but what would be the driving force that allows this to continue ad infinitum?


driving force could be novelty. Always expanding functions and being innovative and thus giving the thing more and more value as more features are added all the time in an orderly and intelligent manner.

and that is right. Crypto has its own physical limit - the number of people that can adopt it ... but that number is fairly large and won't matter for a long, long time.


who wants to buy into a coin where the 'bagholder' is seen as the looser?
Look at btc. It is a priviledge to hold it. No punishement like with many alts Wink
at least you get the idea.

Me as an investor was looking for a broad portfolio that one could call 'relatively safe from fading away' and where it is not necessary to check on twice a day if the coin is still active or dumped already to one satoshi. Some alts what you can accumulate and gain from holding it. What else does the average 'normal' investor want who does see the potential of the technology and wants to profit from an investement in it? Those scams that loose 95% of value in less than a day are also hurting the legit coins since serious investors may fall for a scam or two and leave the scene before they could find those few legit coins in a sea of scam and spam.

short: if everybody would behave a bit more well, devs would make real products and if pumpers like wolong at least go under the radar and keep to their own coins instead of being so very public and tainting all coins i think we could then have a lot more new money and some real growth in here instead of dumping on each other just for the heck of it. The noobs come in and they have expectations and they should have. They are hot for the novelty and for the gains and the idea of finding the next btc before everybody else does and being early in on it ... and they would stay if they would get that at least in parts - and the coins would have actual value then. But what most people get is not gains and not novelty if they don't do a great deal of research for themselves about a ton of coins (and still fail on getting the crucial infos - it would be a fulltimejob). They get sold promises and overvalued coins and are then turned away with empty pockets ... it is not sustainable and in the end it is zero-sum-game everybody complaining 'only old money - same people redistributing their money again and again until only few survive and the scene is empty and there is really no other way in the end for making money other than PnD and everybody does it and all the coins are worthless and nothing was achived and alts have a bad name and are crippled and useless.
I don't want that. I want decent profit from holding good coins like a savingsaccount because the technology can do that for us. If more real investementopportunities would be offered and less scams noone in here would need to worry about profit, really.

I understand what you're trying to say. With that said, trying to find the next bitcoin should only be an expectation if they are willing to take the risk of losing too. There is no expectation and there should be no expectation to make profit. In the end, this is still an experiment and with that territory comes losses. If they are trying to be "early adopters so they strike it rich" then they also need to accept the risk of losing it all. Their profit motive is just that, a motive. If they want to strike it rich with another crypto-currency besides Bitcoin without the severely high risk of a lot of these new alts, there are already coins that have been around for a little while that fit that moniker.

In short, the earlier you are in that line to strike it rich the more risk you inherently accept. Just like the possible reward is higher, so is the chance you'll lose.
557  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: suggestion on how to implement tax on bitcoin transactions. on: March 19, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Blockchain shouldn't have to do that. However, I think this idea would be nice for a separate party to add and track via a separate mechanism; after all, I could see this becoming quite cumbersome for businesses if certain tax laws are enforced in a particular manner. (Which is something to think about since the Australian Tax Office is considering taxing bitcoins for businesses that transact in bitcoins. Sure they haven't explicitly made it law, but there is no strong reason to feel like they won't.) After all, I could imagine audits becoming more of a pain in the ass than they already are if strict point of sales records are required. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
558  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dubai 400 Bitcoin ATMs in 2 weeks on: March 19, 2014, 01:56:32 AM
I think this is pretty awesome news. There is a lot of untapped potential from the Middle East. In particular, Dubai has pockets of concentrated wealth intermingled with pockets of migrant workers so it's a great place to gain adoption. Plus, you gotta love a city with a mall that has it's own ski resort!
559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Leaked logs proving Wolong has 4.2 billion pandas on: March 19, 2014, 12:03:49 AM
There's approximately 298 BTC worth of panda before 50. Even though he owns 25k worth of panda, I find it hard to believe this guy has control of 200k he'd be willing to toss at Panda in an attempt to move the market. So many coin holders would come out of the woodwork selling for whatever.

I don't see it happening.

 the guy is talking about marketshare ... think again ... there is a breakingpoint where one could calculate that even if it costs you x btc to raise price 10% you could with that action raise the value of your holdings by multiple times that x btc if your share in the coin is just big enough.
Imagine you would hold 99% of a coin. You could fix the price wherever you wanted.

i think after this has surfaced here he has no choice but to buy it up quick before everybody else thinks and buys before him and sets up sellwalls and his plan fails. So if he doesn't want to fail he needs to act quick. Then again this could be deception and op is actually himself wolong that wants us to buy panda up while he is only watching. Who knows ...
either way i think panda will be up 500% tomorrow

I don't disagree that it could happen, but if he's anywhere close to 50% there are billions and billions of coins in sell orders just in 1-10, his orders would all be placed behind those.

that's why it could make sense for him to buy that bunch of orders pretty much in one go.

edit:
but i think since this thread is going now he is also likely to just dump his stash and move on. He already took profits from panda.

it's a gamble for everybody.
When will devs and investors understand that everybody could be rich if people would cooperate in a sustainable project instead of pnd and scam each other. I don't think that there always needs to be a looser in this game. Unfortunateley people don't see that and do whole day nothing else than ripping each other off because that's probably the only thing they know.

What? Unfortunately, there is always going to be a "loser" when it comes to these types of markets that have no solid backing of some sort. The way this works is that people are essentially pooling a bunch of money and then redistributing it. After all, there is always somebody who buys at the top. And when somebody buys at the top, that person is going to be a loser unless he can make someone else to be a loser by selling it for more. But in that way, the loser title is just passed on to someone else.

yeah, that's pozi pnd scam what you discribe. Crypto can be that. But as you also notice it happens because of no solid backing. Crypto can also have potentially endless value since there is nothing physical that holds the price down. It is the only investement out there where this is true. Everything else comes sooner or later to a halt in growth just because of the physical boundaries. Crypto doesn't need to care if it quadrupeled already. It can quadruple again and again and again if it is done right. Just sayin'. There needs nobody to be a looser for buying on a top when it is pretty much guearantied that it will go higher later and not fading away (look at bitcoin). It is not a ponzi if it has sustainable growth for long, long periods of time and doesn't fade away after pump and dump but is being used for years for real purposes instead. So on the one hand you have pnd-scamcoins that were never designed to survive longer than a few months or even build a real community or having a real purpose - they are just for making someone a quick buck by presenting an illusion of the real valuecoin and fool people to buy into it for the quick buck and on the other hand you have coins with vision, community, purpose, and goals that appeal for long periods of time to new investors because after years of growth they can still be expected to harvest gains (for every participant) and also don't crash so much.
Oh well, this is not exactly pennystocks. Crypto can have greater potential than just being used for ponzis. PnD is really the low end and it gives the coin and those who do it a bad reputation.

You may need to rethink this ideology. There is no guarantee that any currency will keep going higher and higher. Even bitcoin has no guarantee. From a purely financial aspect (ignoring the strong intrinsic value of the functionality and security of the blockchain) it could flash down to $1 and the only thing that prevents it is the fact that people have gone all in to bitcoin. Fundamentally, from this aspect, that is all that is backing bitcoin. And even less so with any alternative crypto-currency. There has to be a loser because at some point, somebody has to buy at the top. Sure it could keep going "higher and higher," but what would be the driving force that allows this to continue ad infinitum?

Even in the sense that what allows a coin to grow is wider and wider adoption, therein lies a flaw: there will always be finite resources and people. Inherently, once this maximum is reached, it can't go any higher so it has two choices: crash or stabilize. On that note, in terms of finance, not everyone can be rich. It's actually built into its definition as being rich means that comparatively, you have more than the average. Sure we can all get something, but that comes at the cost of one party's disinterest.

Of course crypto-currencies have great potential. Unfortunately, for the most part, pump and dump is the name of the game (and usually by the same person or group of persons). If you're that vested into finding a coin with the aspects of longevity, community, vision, goals and purpose, there are already coins that fall under that moniker.
560  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 18, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
I am very disappointed, it's now two days past March 16 and still no dip.

Not only did I have to watch basketball on Sunday sans dip, but now my chips are stale. I demand compensation in the form of Funyuns, cheddary sour cream and onion potato chips, and lime-flavored tortilla chips with a 15-layer dip.

Please send me funding so that I may appropriate my much needed nourishment to any of my addresses. Thank you.
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