I can't move it from OT to P&S but you can!
Figured it out, thank you. And just to be a nice guy, I won't mention that I'll be voting for Trump in 2020.  |
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Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Socialists are simply trying to put the means of production into the hands of the people and asserting that it should be democratically controlled. "State socialists" such as the USSR perverted the ideology because they simply replaced capitalists with government officials instead of the actual workers. Soviet officials didn't bring workers to the table to make decisions. It was top down and authoritarian. State capitalism would be the best way to describe most of the societies you think were socialist. Worker cooperatives such as mondragon are the best examples of actual socialism.
A wonderful set of Utopian ideals that are completely in conflict with human nature. And fortunately so. Your argument will eventually lead us to discuss greed, and you will argue that it brings out the worst of human aggression. While that's true, one can also argue that we only have the quality of life we enjoy today due to the greed of others. Casualties of socialism include entrepreneurship, innovation, motivation, and education. It's just a matter of time before laziness takes hold, and a scammer assumes all power through deception. Kind of strange how anyone could associate an authoritarian state with communism when statelessness one of the key characteristics communism.
It's not strange at all if you've studied history. Just because the definition you prefer includes the word statelessness that doesn't make communism or socialism any more practical. Really, how would that work? Even in a small community there will always be somebody more attractive than you, more charming than you, stronger, smarter, or simply more convincing than you. Willingly or unwilling that person will have more influence on your neighbors than you, and their ideals will become more valuable to the community than yours. It's human nature. It's MOB RULE. No thank you. I prefer freedom. |
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I really have no idea
Maybe you should have an idea, and a thought or two, before blindly following something you don't understand. nor do I care to be honest
You'll make a perfect socialist. Honesty is the bane of socialism, so of course you don't care to be honest. |
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A couple of recent threads saw us going off topic and we found ourselves arguing the merits of capitalism vs. pitfalls of socialism. Can you guess where I stand on the issue? If not I'll tell you. Freedom is not compatible with socialism, and I'm more inclined to remain free and provide for myself than I am to accept handouts and be enslaved. What about you? |
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Sorry for my participation in the OT discussion. You were right to remove those posts from that thread. I started another topic in the "Off Topic" board, but on second thought maybe I should have put it in the "Politics & Society" board. If you think it's necessary please move it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046236.0 |
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh? (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)
ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST. You obviously don't know what socialism is. Try again. Praytell, what is socialism then? Don't say I'm wrong without providing "correct" information for me, that's just rude (not that I even made a claim about socialism, I simply googled it) It's not even "my" list... do you need me to google this for you AGAIN?!? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countriesLet me try. Socialism is a social structure where the means of production and its distribution is controlled by all members of that structure. A capitalist system with lots of social programs is not a socialist system. In the countries on your list, people do not decide how the economic system is run. Capitalists do that. Equality of outcomes for the 99% does not make the system a socialist system. Capitalists still run and control such systems. @af_newbie, Well put. Thanks for responding for me. @Moloch, here's a hint on how to make the determination: If a country has one or more corporations based within it's boarders that is not under complete control of the government, it ain't socialist. |
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh? (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)
ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST. You obviously don't know what socialism is. Try again. |
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Use one of your non-segwit wallets to sign a message.
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Haha funny thing is that painting is now worth even more
I'll bet it's worth a shit tonne more. Hard to say how much, but much more. Quite a marketing ploy, and a hilarious practical joke. If I was the buyer I would have broken out in a sweat and gotten nauseous at first. Then it would have sunk in that it just became one of the most famous paintings in history. |
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Democracy dies today at 5 PM.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. We have a Constitutional Republic with Democratically Elected Representatives. There's a big difference. The trouble I have with left's picks for Justices and Federal Judges is they are of the belief that the Judicial branch of government is extension of the legislative branch. They pick judges that will interpret laws as they wish they were written and ignore the context and intent of the law, thus changing laws from the bench through their verdicts. That was not the intent of the framers of the Constitution, and there's good reason for it. If one branch of the government gains too much power it offsets the balance. Three branches of government are limited in their scope for a reason. |
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I can't believe a possible rapist will become supreme justice. It is scary as hell.
Fun fact: You are a possible rapist. What I can't believe, and find scary as hell is how people can be so gullible. |
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He doesn't make any money in a bear market.
So, in other words; He's just like the rest of us. Uninformed and shilling his brand of "bull market." By the way, did I mention: You should buy bitcoin. |
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I don't want to derail this thread too much
Too late, beside the OP mentioned AE's preference for socialism, so it's really not that off topic. but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism. Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing. Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.
Name one socialist country that has prospered, or provided prosperity for their citizens. Just one. Back to the original topic; Not all scientists are atheists. Many are capable of reconciling their research with their faith. Personally, I'm an agnostic, so I really don't have a god in the fight. |
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You are thinking of Senator Murkowski from Alaska. She still plans on voting 'no' however Republicans can afford to lose one Senator with no Democrat votes, and Senator Manchin from West Virginia announced he will cross party lines and vote yes.
Thanks for the correction. You're right, I confused the two. You guys really need to get that fake news shit sorted out LOL.
I was in a Webex meeting and trying to listen to the votes at the same time. That's why I wasn't able to separate fact from fiction.  |
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With Senator Collins' announcement that she will vote to confirm Kavanaugh, along with Senator Flake's yes vote, it sounds like Kavanaugh will have sufficient votes to get confirmed.
That's great news. I don't know why she voted "no" for the confirmations to move to debate, and then plans to vote "yes" to confirm Kavanaugh. Weird. None the less I'm glad she's voting to confirm. This is a huge day for all Americans. It means our constitution lives on. Imagine if Hitlery had been elected and picked the nominees for these two seats now filled by Trump. We would have 6 justices hellbent on dismantling the constitution, starting (of course) with our right to defend ourselves. Activists professing "living document" drivel as an excuse to destroy this country. Now, can we impeach RBG for sleeping on the job? I don't wish any ill will towards anyone, regardless of their political affiliation, but damn it would be nice if she kicked the bucket before Trumps term is up... In 2025 |
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OT : Jim Cramer slipping up and showing his hand again, showing us the underlying corruption that is Wall Street: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/cramer-reveals-the-10-telltale-signs-that-could-prolong-the-sell-off.html"There's a very common trajectory when the market's going down. First, the analysts will try to keep recommending stocks and they're going to be completely ignored," the "Mad Money" host said.
"When they raise their price targets or even upgrade from 'hold' to 'buy' and no one listens, they're going to switch directions and they're going to start downgrading," he continued. "When those downgrades stop sending stocks lower, then you'll know a bottom is at hand. But we're not there yet."
Oh, so what you're saying Jim is that the analysts upgrade from 'hold' to 'buy' merely to get Average Joes to be the final bagholders on the way down? (Not because the stock is actually undervalued?) And when that corrupt tactic doesn't work, then they reverse to 'sell' to cover their asses (and start shorting)? Un-fucking-believable.  Can't believe that he can even say this with a straight face. The more I learn about investing the more I realize how little I know. The pundits and talking heads don't know shit. They're just as clueless as the rest of us. The only difference is they're paid to pretend they know something. Half the time their predictions are accurate... |
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Kavanaugh may have underhandedly won enough votes with his temper tantrum and cover story FBI investigation but he exposed himself in a way that will forever cast doubt on his credibility as an impartial Jurist. I know the right doesn't care as long as they get the 5th seat but it should matter he is way to partisan and doesn't have the temperament to sit on the SC and a staggering number of legal professionals are publicly making the same statements!
The only people losing credibility are those who continue in their attempt to besmirch Kavanaugh's character. His record speaks for itself. As the false allegations continue to unravel (and as the MSM continues to NOT report the unraveling) the Democrats are going to be ones hurt the most. And no, he's not an impartial jurist. The American people have spoken when they elected Trump; we don't want an impartial jurist, we want one who IS partial to the constitution. Go Kavanaugh! Happy FFFFriday! |
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Its pure old gold ..
How do you know that? What does it weigh? Where did you find it? How did you find it? How was it buried? |
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“As someone who knew and liked Brett Kavanaugh when we clerked together, I have tried very hard to stay out of this process and to give him the benefit of the doubt,” said Mark Lemley, a professor at Stanford Law School. But Kavanaugh’s behavior at the hearing last week “was not what we should expect of a Supreme Court Justice. Telling obvious lies about his background, yelling at senators, refusing to answer questions, and blaming his troubles on others is not appropriate behavior.”
Keyword being "obvious" lies... it is obvious to everyone with a brain Sorry, not sorry More slander from more liberals who're still butthurt. I hope Kavanaugh goes after all these political mercenaries with defamation suits. The only liars I've seen in this process are the howling democrats trying to keep their faces on our TVs. The OBVIOUS lies are the ones that Ford told, not a shred of corroboration, yet Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Blumenthal, all of them spread these CONFIRMED lies. They don't care who's reputation is ruined as long as they maintain power. They themselves said their goal is obstruct the nomination of any justice Trump appoints. When Trump nominated Kavanaugh there were protesters outside with modular signs, ready to oppose whomever it was that Trump picked. If you can't see all the deception perpetrated by the democrats, then you are either blinded by your hatred for Trump and the Republicans, or you are truly a lemming. ETA: Looks like we're moving to the debate tomorrow. Kavanaugh's nomination is moving forward. |
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