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5841  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BiddingPond.com Discussion on: July 26, 2010, 07:35:47 PM
How do you plan to make money?
5842  Economy / Exchanges / Re: New Bitcoin Exchange (mtgox.com) on: July 26, 2010, 12:51:32 PM
Ok we dropped our commission. So the site is complete free now except for paypal fees.

I am not quite sure why you did that. I am totally satisfied with paying the 2% commission because it help me support the bitcoin economy and thus grow the amount of services and goods available. Plus, I don't have to think about donating.
5843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nenolod, the guy that wants to prove Bitcoin doesn't work. on: July 24, 2010, 11:07:42 PM

Of course, outlandish claims and gullibility are always market forces.

It should be possible to analyze the market transactions to see if there was a surge there as well. Just a thought.


Than one should make use of that information to win big in the market. This will increase market efficiency by ensuring that bad speculators' money flow to good and less gullible speculators who will be able to allocate resources more appropriately.
5844  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: They want to delete the Wikipedia article on: July 24, 2010, 10:27:10 PM
They're assholes, but unfortunately, like all assholes, they don't give shit that they're assholes.

It's quite simple really. They will just delete things that they never heard of. This kind of behaviors have made people start quite a few encyclopedia wiki specializing in an area.

They're not out there to make people improve the article for them. They're out to delete shit that they think isn't notable for X crappy reasons.
No, they're not going to delete 90% of their articles. They'll only do it as a means to pressure the community to contribute. Like I said in my previous post, if the goal was to delete non-notable articles, then they would start with the completely non-notable articles, of which there are a multitude.

If that is their goal, than it have backfired on many occasions. Perhaps this is not a systematic campaign by wikipedians, but rather the effort of a few.
5845  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: They want to delete the Wikipedia article on: July 24, 2010, 09:29:46 PM
They're assholes, but unfortunately, like all assholes, they don't give shit that they're assholes.

It's quite simple really. They will just delete things that they never heard of. This kind of behaviors have made people start quite a few encyclopedia wiki specializing in an area.

They're not out there to make people improve the article for them. They're out to delete shit that they think isn't notable for X crappy reasons.
5846  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The MOST Important Change to Bitcoin on: July 24, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
The big problem for me is that the minting rate doesn't adjust with the size of the Bitcoin economy (ie. the swarm size). I have a feeling that if this isn't changed, the project may run out of steam.

While it may annoy old users a bit that they can't create as many coins, new users are waiting weeks to mint any coins. It is unlikely that Bitcoins will become established if new users aren't given a decent shot at their own minting (especially when the user base should be growing rapidly). Users who discovered Bitcoins early will still have amassed more coins than new entrants, even without the difficulty changing.

The software is very impressive, but the minting rules really need to be looked at again. Self minting is such a good idea for distributing new coins, but IMO it needs some basic economic theory applying to it, rather than a relatively arbitrary setting.

We should be encouraging wealth creation so that people can spend their bitcoins on, not focusing on minting coins.

Why not switch off minting altogether then, with that logic?

I am saying that minting is not overly important, rather than saying that minting should be turned off.
5847  Economy / Economics / Re: Mises' Regression Theorem. on: July 24, 2010, 03:59:13 PM
The question is: where is non-monetary component of Bitcoin? There is none. That's why Bitcoin is vulnerable to all kinds of "loss-of-confidence" attacks. I think that this is precisely what Nenolod is doing right now.

A possible solution to this problem might be to back bitcoins with nodes. That is, anybody who wishes to solve problems can purchase CPU time can use the bitcoin network to do so. Of course, how do we verify that the problem is something that people want to solve? Another problem with this solution is probably something that I didn't think of. So mine is probably a bad idea.

If anybody got any idea on how to imbues bitcoin with non-monetary property or at least fix the weakness, please say so. We might come up ways to increase bitcoin's value as money.
5848  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The MOST Important Change to Bitcoin on: July 24, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
The big problem for me is that the minting rate doesn't adjust with the size of the Bitcoin economy (ie. the swarm size). I have a feeling that if this isn't changed, the project may run out of steam.

While it may annoy old users a bit that they can't create as many coins, new users are waiting weeks to mint any coins. It is unlikely that Bitcoins will become established if new users aren't given a decent shot at their own minting (especially when the user base should be growing rapidly). Users who discovered Bitcoins early will still have amassed more coins than new entrants, even without the difficulty changing.

The software is very impressive, but the minting rules really need to be looked at again. Self minting is such a good idea for distributing new coins, but IMO it needs some basic economic theory applying to it, rather than a relatively arbitrary setting.

We should be encouraging wealth creation so that people can spend their bitcoins on, not focusing on minting coins.
5849  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at LewRockwell.com on: July 24, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Revolutionary movements are always started by the loonies.

For every 100 nutcase loonies that are totally wrong, there are one nutcase who is actually right, non obviously but seriously right. So we ought to be asking ourselves, are we the the right kind of loonies?
5850  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you run a client with a built-in "tax"? on: July 24, 2010, 02:14:26 AM
Interesting replies.

I don't have such a client -- just to clear that up.

What I'm getting at is this:  If BTC were highly valued, and a very clever-but-selfish developer had an exceedingly fast client (say, someone gets CUDU running on all cylinders, or hand-crafts SSSE3 for i7), would they be better off retaining the program for their exclusive use (during inflation), or offering it for 'sale' by effectively charging a fee for every find.

I suspected it would be more profitable to distribute it with a small fee, but the reception sounds a bit... less favorable.

The difficulty would just goes up and make it harder for you to generate bitcoins.
5851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin that really decentralized, as you believe? on: July 23, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
This is because payment system depends on it's software codebase. And it maybe cheaper to attack the codebase or the rule-base,
than fighting against the running algorithms. What do you think?

Disrupting the community is easier, than disrupting the argorithm complexity.


As the community grow, the number of developers may grow as well. Thus, it become increasingly more difficult to hide clever malicious code.

Quote from: wikipedia
Linus' Law, according to Eric S. Raymond, states that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow." More formally: "Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix will be obvious to someone."
5852  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin that really decentralized, as you believe? on: July 23, 2010, 02:42:00 PM
Satoshi have as much power as Google has over the internet, which is none.

The internet interpreted censorship as damage and route around it. The internet will also interpreted bad money as damage and route around it.
5853  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at LewRockwell.com on: July 23, 2010, 12:30:53 PM
LRC site seem to be full of strange, loony, or simply alternative ideas, at least that what I heard from another libertarian. (To be honest, bitcoins is probably perceived as loony to the rest of the population)

But it's still nice to know that bitcoin is being covered.
5854  Economy / Economics / Mises' Regression Theorem. on: July 23, 2010, 05:33:00 AM
The theory essentially says that money has an expected purchasing power tomorrow because of its actual prior purchasing power. Regressing this idea to infinity means that money could not have been "invented" out of nothing, because it would have no known prior purchasing power. The inventor would have to also set the exchange rates between money and all other goods. To the extent that these rates differed from market expectations, they would not be followed, being perceived as harmful to the individual traders. Thus, money would not be used.

Rather, money must originally be some desirable good that is subject to barter. The market, over time, recognizes some goods are more widely accepted in barter than others, due to certain properties, like being easily exchanged, durable (in composition and relative value), portable, etc. Eventually, these goods become marketable for any other product. Thus, they become money.

This is important because often those who advocate government intervention in the name of economics believe that money does not conform to economic laws that hold for other goods. This theorem partially shows that money has always conformed to the same laws as other goods and did not require government intervention to function economically.

So, bitcoins didn't gets it value from barter. Gold, and other traditional money have industrial or decorative functions.

But bitcoins seem to have no previous application whatsoever and thus doesn't satisfy Mises' regression theorem. Is this a problem that bitcoins doesn't arise out of barter?

If it is a problem, what people can do to fix this?
5855  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nenolod, the guy that wants to prove Bitcoin doesn't work. on: July 22, 2010, 10:51:08 PM
 i also believe that aspect of bitcoin serves as a detractor towards using it, simply because many businesses do not want to be associated with crazy libertarian government conspiracy views.  but frankly, the politics do not matter, what matters is the underlying system, and that is mostly sound.

there is a person on the IRC channel, you may know him Smiley  his name is Diablo-D3.  many people i know who have looked at bitcoin for their projects run away because they get a vibe that the project is in general filled up with people who are like Diablo-D3 Smiley

What conspiracy libertarians are believing in? What's "kooky" about my views?

You also made me laugh when you say speculating is bad.  Roll Eyes
5856  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nenolod, the guy that wants to prove Bitcoin doesn't work. on: July 22, 2010, 07:19:47 PM

Speculating is a valuable service. http://mises.org/daily/4466
5857  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it supposed to take this long to generate some "phat coin"? on: July 22, 2010, 07:16:01 PM
There's some douche who's got 1000 cores crunching through hashes, so all of us are kind of left out to dry for now. =P
Do we know who this is?  Academic?  Botnet?  NSA?  Chinese hackers?

What are they doing, other than generating most of the BTC?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431.0
5858  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it supposed to take this long to generate some "phat coin"? on: July 22, 2010, 06:39:43 PM
There's some douche who's got 1000 cores crunching through hashes, so all of us are kind of left out to dry for now. =P

More incentive for us to create wealth generating services so we can get bitcoins from others.  Grin
5859  Economy / Economics / Re: Greece, the EU, and Bitcoins on: July 22, 2010, 12:10:02 PM
The main problem with the Euro is central planning - how can you centrally plan for many different needs simultaneously? I'd argue it is impossible and you will end up with winners and losers.

Time to quote F. A. Hayek.

Quote from: F. A. Hayek
This is not a dispute about whether planning is to be done or not. It is a dispute as to whether planning is to be done centrally, by one authority for the whole economic system, or is to be divided among many individuals.
5860  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Wolf Game, 16 player slots remaining, potential 81Btc prize for the winner on: July 22, 2010, 12:02:35 PM
I am in.
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