It also doesn't show south America, South Africa, and S/E Asia and Austrailia. we have a few there too  Thank you TanteStefana. I was feeling quite left out with my entire country (Australia) completely unrepresented on this map (along with all the others you've noted). It wouldn't be the first time we've been forgotten about (and it won't be the last). We're only a little over 1% of the world's GDP but we're still a $1.5 trillion economy, so bigger than many other countries will much larger populations. |
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are the new capital controls really so draconian that this rally can continue? What happens if/when the Chinese government steps in and cracks down, like they did in December13/January14? Is there any solid Western demand, or is China the only source of major demand as in Nov13?
I don't really think it is the capital controls that's driving it. It's a whole mix of stuff. More than anything, if you just look back at the history of bitcoin valuation, it's basically doing the bitcoin "thang".....big rise, collapse, retrace to 20% of the last rise, wait a long time for the price to get fully compacted, then another big rise and price in the new fundamentals. Things like the Eu ruling and the Chinese devaluation are just the sparks that light the tinder. The reason I think that is because there have been so many 'sparks' during the last 2 years - everything from Overstock to ETF rumours and bitcoin didn't do anything. On the other hand, I've got massive deja vu right now from 2013 and the jump up to 266 in April of that year. That was Cyprus according to everyone but actuall what happened is that it was ripe for a rise. Then it compressed around $70-$90 for months till Christmas before taking off again. I think it's just the growth pattern. Fundamentals grow and get priced in in jumps, not linearly. It's very very similar to Nov 2013 except in this early stage we've jumped up $100 in 3 days. If you put Bitwisdom's Bitstamp chart on 3Days and scroll all the way back and look at that run up to the ATH, prices were going up as follows: Nov 2 - 4 $201 -> $232 Nov 5 - 7 $227 -> $300 Nov 8 - 10 $266 -> $363 Nov 11 - 13 $316 -> $401 Nov 14 - 16 $384 -> $448 Nov 17 - 19 $376 -> $754 Nov 20 - 22 $442 -> $801 Nov 23 - 25 $749 -> $875 Nov 26 - 28 $804 -> $1048 Nov 29 - Dec 1 $799 -> $1163 Given it's powering even harder than what we saw back then it won't surprise me at all if the bubble is ten times the previous one. We could easily see $10K BTC this time. |
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For some coffee break entertainment, take a look at this: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/huobi/btccnyIn its livelier moments, Huobi trading makes western exchanges look like a church jumble sale. 2-figure trades is granular BTC over there. I can sure see why the Chinese govt. like to put the lid back on that pressure cooker from time to time. Bitstamp is just hanging onto its coat-tails - everyone looks at Huobi to see what to do next. As soon as there's the slightest pause in Chinese trading the Western exchanges go into an immediate tailspin, dumping huge amounts of BTC and then manicly buying back in when they see China put down its tea. Hilarious. Edit: Look - it's already at $414 dollars. It put on another $10 just as I was writing that post. BTCe's still in the $370's. The only people that can put a stop to this mayhem is the State Council of the People's Republic. No doubt it's only a question of time now  Update: First Western exchange over the $400 line = Bitfinex. Update 2: Maybe the Chinese Govt are in fact within this. They've been moping up all the gold for the last few years so it may make sense to let the people mop up all the Bitcoin so that they have a robustly financed population that holds a large part of all the new currencies - both the gold backed remnimby and blockchain decentralised currencies. P.S. Huobi now over $420. And finally there goes Stamp too! (Edit: over $400 that is) |
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Where's everyone gone?
The previous post was close to 8 hours ago!
Everyone crying into their beers about the price?
It is pretty disappointing. Such a fickle realm is this crypto stuff.
But overall the price is being maintained at least ($US-wise anyway) on the back of this BTC rally that's savaging virtually all alts.
It's not disappointing at all. At the moment everyone's cashing in on Bitcoin and once it settles you will see a flood of BTC going into Alts. Dash is on the cutting edge, so i wouldn't be surprised if we see a major price hike in the near future. Yes. I've been around here for a long time and seen it happen several times before. By "disappointing" I'm referring to the lack of acknowledgement of Dash's advanced features and developments by the rest of the crypto community with the price dropping off (in terms of BTC) like it is (as that's really only where we're currently known and acknowledged). All the alts will experience a rush sometime soon depending on whether BTC takes a major breather or just keeps going Nov2013 style. |
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Where's everyone gone?
The previous post was close to 8 hours ago!
Everyone crying into their beers about the price?
It is pretty disappointing. Such a fickle realm is this crypto stuff.
But overall the price is being maintained at least ($US-wise anyway) on the back of this BTC rally that's savaging virtually all alts.
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Nice thread qwizzie....thanks.
Unfortunately I don't see too much to be hopeful about with the price. Until we see Dash picked by a major exchange we'll be in the doldrums for a while. But if it was introduced onto one of the larger Chinese sites; fireworks!
It's a waiting game unfortunately.
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My conclusion about all this:
Q:Two persons from DASH meet together, what did they talk about? ....
A:DASH.
Q:Two persons from Monero meet together, what did they talk about? ....
A:DASH!
I think we are good...
One of the two DASH people chatting has his concentration broken for a moment by something tickling his ankle. He looks down then slowly up again to see the two Monero people standing a stones throw away peering over to see if their latest attack weapon "FluffyPuppy" is having an impact.....  |
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Don't start telling people about your idea (and try to get them to buy/pump your coin) before even releasing a paper.
FUD attack vectors: If dev speaks of the plans => he is a pumper If dev doesn't speak of the plans => he is profiting from inside knowledge when there will be the eventual release, that only he knows about, leaving investors in the dark so he can acquire himself and the whales and then dump on the late-arrivals of investors, etc etc. Likewise If dev discloses market moves about his coins => he is a pumper/dumper based on what he discloses If dev doesn't disclose market moves about his coins => he is a pumper/dumper based on inside knowledge If coin name = darkcoin => "haha what a ridiculous name, who will adopt a coin like DARKcoin" If coin name = changed from darkcoin=> "it was rebranded to wash the scam" No matter what is done, the trolls will always find something problematic Yep. The bottom line is these Monero buffoons CANNOT keep away from this thread as they're just wobbled to pieces by Dash (they're "dashed by Dash" Ha!) and it gets into them and knots them up into a terrible sweaty, worrisome, desperation that forces them to take all manner of stupid actions (that image of dnaleor handing out Dash-attack flyers at Bitcoin Wednesday will go down in history as one of the most extreme examples of a completely and utterly clueless individual openly demonstrating his cluelessness for all and sundry to sit there in gobsmacked awe that someone would stoop to such desperation). Taking every aspect of this project and flipping it into a negative is their standard MO. I just wish they'd focus on their own project and leave us alone. I'd actually take an interest in Monero if the supposed "devs" (and once again, I'm using that term ever so loosely) actually focused on their work and quit trolling. I simply can't believe that there are people so completely and utterly unaware of how pathetic and deplorable they look coming into this thread and trying to put rubbish on this project and how totally off-putting it is to any outsider. Monero is doomed while ever these people are involved. Even if they all stopped today, it will take years for the reputational damage to be undone and it's probably too late for them. |
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So I'd like to address some of the earlier posts. First off, to those that felt it necessary to make puerile comments about me, ad hominem attacks weaken your premise. I understand it's hard to see the wood for the trees, but honestly, get over yourselves. You aren't beyond reproach (far from it), and all of you clearly lack the humility and wherewithal to know what you don't know. Shooting the messenger doesn't make you right, it just makes you ignorant. Stating that you are ignorant is not "FUD", it's a statement of fact, but the good news is that ignorance is a state you can escape from. Now, it's important to understand why this "spork" nonsense is so fundamentally broken. I've seen arguments centred around the "many-eyes" principle of FOSS, and some based on deterministic builds (which is an idiotic argument, and completely misses the point, so I won't be addressing it). I know that for many of you this is your first open-source project, and your first exposure to the development of security software of any kind, and so you may be unfamiliar with thinking adversarially. You may think that merely because a handful of others glance at the code that it magically makes it secure, but that is not the case. Open-source software i just at risk as closed-source software, except that you're not paying known entities to review the code. Neither approach is a magic bullet. So how could a backdoor be hidden in the code? If you've ever seen the International Obfuscated C Code Contest you'll know that it is reasonably trivial to make code nearly impossible to read and grok. But have you ever heard of the Underhanded C Contest? If you're familiar with C then I encourage you to take a look at some of the past entries. The long and the short of it is that it is not unheard of, or particularly difficult, for an obfuscated back door to be slipped into open-source code. But hey - this is a risk in Bitcoin and Monero and other cryptocurrencies, so Dash is fine, right??? Well...for currencies besides Dash the risk is somewhat reduced by the fact that the effects of such a backdoor can immediately be observed, whereas with Dash the "spork" model means that an exploit can be hidden away and only activated at a later stage, or the network can be remotely forked by anyone who holds the spork key. My conversation with dEBRUYNE was neither secret (it was in a public channel) nor was it incorrect. If you can't understand the implications of what I said then it would behove you to discuss it with me, rather than insulting me. Fluff...mate..."it's hard to see the wood for the trees"....mmm, yup, too true. What's simply astounding (apart from your name) is just how many of you Monero people are completely and utterly unclear on what "money" is and what properties it needs to function properly in human society. You're all so consumed by the technobabble of crypto (and how Monero's technobabble is sooooo superior to everyone else's technobabble) you're completely unaware that when the serious investors finally come to crypto, it's not academic puritan crypto-nirvana-tech they're going to look at. It's the overall package of how a crypto currency has been built and whether its properties are aligned to 5000+ years of agreed principles on what makes money...money. So rather than getting all twisted and upset, given you're here in the Dash thread and we're suffering from the constant buffoonary and shear mindlessnes of the dnaleor's of this world who are so so terribly threatened by Dash (and who are clearly so far out of their depth they're virtually walking around in a forest looking for a tree), why don't you elaborate for us on how Monero's monetary principle's are designed for ultimate acceptance by serious investors in the financial sphere? Start off with how an obscured blockchain facilitates XMR being a base-asset and society being able to trust the supposed monetary units of XMR when there's no way of confirming what amounts are sitting in specific addresses. Then move on to how the XMR blockchain can be verified and trusted. |
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...printed bog paper  Two raffles One for a loaded Dash wallet handed out on a USB stick and one for some XMR on a toilet paper based "wallet" (non-GUI but most likely gooey.....) Paper wallets or usb sticks? Nah InstantX to people in the crowd. Preferably to their phones. Boom. Touché! |
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In our next issue we will shed light on the rumours and investigate the alleged connection of Riccardo "fluffypony" Spagni and a secret underground sect of homosexual "My Little Pony" fetishists. I've just choked on my cornflakes (breakfast time where I am). Hilarious! |
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The great thing about DASH is that it's the topic on everyone's minds.
The takeaway from that exchange is a general state of cluelessness and ZX Spectrum programming mentality. There's nothing incorrect in what they're saying (as far as I know) - it's just the total absence of perspective on competing priorities. I don't know if either of them spent the last 30 years of their life building professional software systems or not, but how Evan's approaching it is absolutely consistent with an optimal strategy IF you're continually targeting protocol level revisions/improvements in a deployed technology. He's alternating between development and deployment priorities. Thats what the spork is - an airlock for deployment. Who cares if it creates a temporary window of control - all these currencies are in an embryonic state. If any of them achieve anything near their development objectives then that will be the least of anybody's worries. Anyway, the worst he can do is revert to the previously adopted protocol logic. It goes with the territory Tok. The "territory" of a group of people that haven't comprehended (at all it would seem) that their hidden/obscured blockchain simply cannot carry the fundamentals of "money" per se, hence it will never get up as a serious alternative monetary system. |
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...printed bog paper Two raffles One for a loaded Dash wallet handed out on a USB stick and one for some XMR on a toilet paper based "wallet" (non-GUI but most likely gooey.....) |
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The great thing about DASH is that it's the topic on everyone's minds. <dEBRUYNE> All right <dEBRUYNE> Iīll let you know what dnaleor thinks about it (will just copy him this conversation). <fluffypony> kk <dEBRUYNE> Btw, if I may ask, how are the performance issues proceeding? (This is regarding your post on reddit) <fluffypony> it's going <fluffypony> that's NoodleDoodle's domain right now <fluffypony> and he's made excellent progress <fluffypony> hard to tell when he'll be done <dEBRUYNE> Nice to hear, let him take his time :-P <dEBRUYNE> I rather have something right than a network split a few days after the release of the tagged version :p <fluffypony> agreed <fluffypony> this isn't Dash with "sporks" <dEBRUYNE> I still donīt get the spork thing :p <dEBRUYNE> Do you perhaps know what it exactly is? <dEBRUYNE> It atleast isnīt decentralized <fluffypony> basically he wraps new code into a little block <fluffypony> and then he can use Bitcoin's alerting system to enable / disable it <dEBRUYNE> So if he turns malicious one day they are basically fucked? <fluffypony> yes <dEBRUYNE> Or under a gag order or whatever <dEBRUYNE> Thatīs kinda scary <fluffypony> he can leave some dormant code in there and then remotely enable it <fluffypony> and they're too retarded to even notice <dEBRUYNE> <fluffypony> and they're too retarded to even notice <= Yeah reading their thread alone makes my brain cringe <fluffypony> lol <dEBRUYNE> They behave as a cult though <fluffypony> yip <dEBRUYNE> I find it odd that they call him by his first name <dEBRUYNE> Itīs not like we call you Ric all day on the forum <fluffypony> lol <dEBRUYNE> imagine that <dEBRUYNE> And otoh is still buying <dEBRUYNE> I think my finance professor would get a sudden heart attack if he sees his portfolio <fluffypony> lol Oh dear. Don't these guys realise that anything you type, speak or video online will (if it means something to someone else) eventually find its way into the public domain? dEBRUYNE there's absolutely nothing odd about calling Evan by his first name because from the beginning he's been a real person with a real name that's his real identity! What is odd (and frankly gobsmackingly AMAZING that no one has said "WTF!") is that one of Monero's core "devs" (and I use that term very loosely) is named "fluffypony"!!! I would rewrite your "I find it odd that they call him by his first name" statement to "I find it odd that you call yourself fluffypony. How do you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously?!" |
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You would think the price would be going up and not down considering this coin has so much active development going on while so many other coins are quickly produced and forgotten about.
Considering that there will be no substantial information on Evolution until the end of January, I think it's only logical that potential investors take a wait and see approach. As much as one would expect the logic of the price reflecting the quality of the project, it's clear that at this juncture in the development of crypto currencies the quality of a project, it's team, future potential and uniqueness of the product's features/functions represents but a tiny overall force or influence on the price. There seems to be many other factors that are far more prominent. At the moment pretty much all alts are suffering from an unusual disconnect-from-BTC phenomenon. Whereas on other occasions you would see LTC, NMC, PPC, Dash, either remain at a constant BTC value or actually increase their BTC price slightly as the rally occurs, at the moment they've all pretty much disconnected. And while for most of them the USD value hasn't dropped too badly, it's been quite unique to see the BTC value just sliding consistently across the board as BTC rallies. Dash will rally again too but exactly when it happens and what triggers it is hard to say. The whole scene is ridiculously uncertain. Evan could go to Miami on the 22nd of January, deliver a fantastic presentation that's warmly welcomed and reported on then Dash could drop severely afterwards. It's that unpredictable. Then three weeks later it could go ballistic and start a run up to an ATH. Trying to make sense of it and offering suggestions of what the price is going to do is virtually impossible. When it does take off though I think we're going to see a rise at a speed like never before. It will happen 'like a thief in the night'. Just have to be patient I guess (as frustrating as it is to see the price knocked around by so many other factors). |
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Just to point out the obvious....For a long time folks here were not responding to our trolls and there was actual discussion going on...
Now you all are responding and arguing with them; five pages worth since yesterday. By definition you can't win these arguments. You are essentially doing exactly what they want you to. I'm sure some of you have good intentions but I hope you can see it's not helping.
I believe the expression is do not feed the trolls... all you are doing is encouraging more.
You cannot have a discussion with someone who's sole motive it to disrupt and disagree. (And may even be paid to.)
Perhaps everyone can get it out of their system. I for one think this was a much better place when we just ignore them.
(And the argument you must defend against their attacks for new readers is complete BS and a waste of time)
I disagree italeffect and for too long there's been this "high moral ground" stance taken by people who say that having the trolls on ignore is the only way to deal with them. Whilst it's true that responding to trolls' attempt to incite argument is generally useless, there are times when engaging with them is appropriate. You see, they're secretly wanting to be a part of this. They're secretly sad and dissatisfied with their lot in life, but they just don't know how to express it and attack and venom are all they're good at (probably going back to childhood experiences/neurons set on the wrong pathway/continuous reinforcement of their "badness", etc. etc). They're ultimately not bad people just sad unhappy individuals who need a hug. So, whilst I understand the psychology of what you're talking about, there's a place for engagement too.  |
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....circle jerk.
Arrr....TheFlasher strikes again. And all you can bring to the table is reference to your favourite subject, the "circle jerk"! (Terribly Freudian isn't it!) You're behaving like a sad sad individual. Part of the lamest of the lame, the trolls that infest the Dash thread due to their terrible insecurity, worry, perturbation and gobsmacking shock that they're not part of this ground breaking project. But listen Flash....here's the thing....you can be part of it. You can be part of it! You can relinquish your life as a troll and come join what you intuitively know is something pretty special....yes Flashy....come on.....you can do it. You know you want it. Y O U W A N T I T D O N ' T Y O U F L A S H Y!!! Well it's yours to have, just cast aside your Flasher's coat, put on some smart clothes, and join one of the most intelligent, innovative and advanced crypto projects in existence. We'll welcome you and you'll be part of this great community instead of apart from it.  |
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iCEBREAKER you're hilarious! As per my clarifying comments about trolls like you that I've made to the other ones that sadly inhabit this thread, if you believe a scam has been perpetrated then you need to go to the authorities and report it instead of just lamely posting and ranting about it. If you're not willing to report this 'scam' then you have not a leg to stand on. Our responses to you have got nothing to do with "attack the attacker". You're here in this thread claiming that Dash is a scam and Evan Duffield is a scammer. If you have even the tiniest shred of legitimacy, you'll bring this 'scam' to the attention of the appropriate authorities (you know those ones you've threatened about so many times before) and have Dash investigated. But something tells me that (given what we know of who you are and what you've been involved in) hell would likely have to freeze over before you'd take any action like that. |
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Nobody cares about it dnaleor. We've long moved past it and we're just not interested. If you think it's something that's of such huge concern then, as I've pointed out to one of your fellow whining complainers, take it to the authorities and report it. If it can't be reported as a scam then it's clearly not a scam! It's that simple. For you to have bothered making flyers to hand out at that conference with all this reference to Dash and all these ill claims about Dash and all this misinformation about Dash just goes to show how incredibly wobbled, perturbed, disturbed and altogether knocked sideways this Dash project has you! Do you have any idea how laughable your actions are? It's real school yard childishness. It's just incomprehensibly lame and pathetic (that you actually went along and handed out anti-Dash propaganda! I still can't believe it!) |
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the Darkcoin foundation isn't the Dash project, I'm not sure if it has any earnings to report but I doubt it.
The Darkcoin foundation isn't the Dash project? I though Darkcoin rebranded as Dash. If not, what is this about?
Instamined.... And proud!
.... It's a great way to fund development and reward those that do the hard work at the beginning. People yelling they hate instamine are idiots. Like every corporation in which Shares are created in the beginning to bring in financing...we had coins to fund development. Instamining turnout to be an excellent tool. What is going on here? Look at THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION INC's Board of Directors. It's the same person that controls the Dash project (and controlled the suspicious timing of the instamine's sneaky launch). Was the instamine used to pay for Dash expenses or not? Is bigrcanada wrong (as usual)? Was that income declared on Evan and/or THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION's taxes, or not, or what? iCEBREAKER's Trolling list 1. Reference node = fixed...damn it! 2. Vertoe's dummyspit = starting to look pretty lame after Vertoe's turned bad....bugger 3. Instamine = Still plenty of whining to do.....wish Adam White would lay off it a bit....it's starting to get stale ....what else..... think....think.... Oh, yes...I know the Darkcoin Foundation! Yes....here we go.....  |
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