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601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Dark Wallet: The Excuse Regulators Needed on: May 05, 2014, 01:06:14 PM
Just come up with some noble reasons for anonymity
...
  • Financial transaction by people who live in oppresive regimes

The war on drugs seems pretty oppressive to me.
602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Dark Wallet: The Excuse Regulators Needed on: May 05, 2014, 01:08:58 AM
I was not aware of the fact that regulators need excuses to regulate something.

But if this is the case we can blame all the regulating-bullshit on Amir, can't we?

AMIR, ALL THE REGULATING-EFFORTS TO COME ARE ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT!

Joe

False.  The blame rests with the state; with those that create and impose the regulations.  Show some courage and direct your anger at those actually threatening you.
603  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1,000,000 bits = 1 bitcoin. Future-proofing Bitcoin for common usage? VOTE on: May 05, 2014, 12:48:13 AM
A. "That'll be 0.00005 BTC please."
B. "That'll be 0.05 mBTC please."
C. "That'll be 50 uBTC please."
D. "That'll be 50 bits please."

A and B are eliminated right off the bat because nobody wants to recall how many zeroes they've put after the decimal.

This leaves us with reasonable C and D, but the word "bit" is far more marketable than "micro-BTC". Micro-BTC just doesn't roll off the tongue like bits does.

I agree that "microbitcoin" is cumbersome to say.  However, the natural way of dealing with a long, frequently used word is to shorten it, not replace it.  Some examples:
  • application -> app
  • information -> info
  • laboratory -> lab
  • maximum -> max
  • university -> uni

"That'll be 50 microbitcoins please." -> "That'll be 50 mics please."
604  Economy / Economics / Re: How much control does the President truly have over the economy? on: May 03, 2014, 09:01:18 PM
Are you taking "fractional reserve banking" to include fraud where banks pretend that they are actually engaged in deposit banking?

Yes, i am.
fractional reserve banking is a form of fraud.
the fact that the market should be free does not mean that there is no rule of law to prevent fraud.
if a bank wants to loan a client's money it needs to ask the client to loan it to the bank first.

Ok.  I agree that free market does not imply the freedom to commit fraud.

I don't include "fraud" in my definition of "fractional reserve banking"; I see it instead as a form of gambling.
605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1,000,000 bits = 1 bitcoin. Future-proofing Bitcoin for common usage? VOTE on: May 03, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
So the term "bit" is used everywhere in technology and of course in the name Bitcoin itself.

But what about a slightly alternate spelling  

like
   byt
or
   biit
or
   bbit

I propose "tit". Immediately appeals to about 50% of the world's population.

Seriously though, 1 bit = 100 satoshis is perfectly fine.

Just as seriously, 1 mike = 100 satoshis is perfectly fine.  It predates this "bit" idea by a number of years, meshes much better with the more established mBTC and uBTC convention, and has less of a name overloading problem.

The whole point of the idea of renaming to "bit" is predicated on "mike" not being good enough; not "FUTURE PROOFING.." as franky1 put it.  Consequently, you'll have to provide more of an argument to adequately counter searcy's proposals: "byt", "biit", and "bbit".
606  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How difficult is it for Bitcoin to hard fork? Thoughts on BTC becoming PoW/PoSV? on: May 03, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
Why not just create an altcoin which adopts the new feature and have everyone move over to the altcoin when they are comfortable with moving.  This way, Bitcoin simply fades away, and we all enjoy a beautifully smooth and wholly voluntary transition.

I'd be very wary of rushing the process.
607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Dark Wallet: The Excuse Regulators Needed on: May 03, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
When Newton wrote Principia, our understanding of the natural world was enhanced.  When cars replaced horse-drawn buggies, our mobility was enhanced.  When the assembly-line factory was invented, our productivity was enhanced.  When the internet was created, our capacity to acquire information and communicate with others was enhanced.  When bitcoin was created, our ability to store, transport and exchange value was enhanced.  

We adopt new technologies because they are useful.  Things that are useful are obviously useful for both good and for bad.  This has always been the case and is why whenever something new and useful comes around, certain groups fight it so hard.  In all my examples above, progress was fought by people based on fear.  With the Newton, it was heresy that a man could claim to understand the motion of the heavens, "for they are God's creation."  With the Internet, the web would become a haven for crime, terrorism and child porn.  

The fact that there is so much fear around bitcoin reveals that even those who fight it have subconsciously accepted how useful it will become.  

+1
608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1,000,000 bits = 1 bitcoin. Future-proofing Bitcoin for common usage? VOTE on: May 03, 2014, 01:50:18 PM
Actually we have MicroBitcoin (μBTC) already. Why change it to Bits?

I prefer μBTC (spelled: uBit)

Why change it to bits?  Because you just explained the same thing in 3 different ways, μBTC, MicroBitcoin and uBit.

You're right.  3 ways is simply not enough.  We must introduce a 4th!
609  Economy / Economics / Re: How much control does the President truly have over the economy? on: May 03, 2014, 02:13:50 AM
This assessment is partially correct.
the president can't fix the economy any better than the soviet union could centrally manage theirs successfully, it is not possible to reach economic prosperity by having someone with a gun telling everyone how much to produce of everything.

the way modern economies work today is broken.
the main problem is that we no longer have free markets, mainly because central banks try to centrally control the amount of money and credit in circulation by setting an arbitrary interest rate, instead of letting the market decide what the interest should be.
the president could in theory abolish the central bank, and stop the commercial banks from conducting fractional reserve lending, and stop propping up failed businesses, which is why he is somewhat responsible for this mess.

If the president were to "stop the commercial banks from conducting fractional reserve lending" then he would be interfering with the free market.  Are you taking "fractional reserve banking" to include fraud where banks pretend that they are actually engaged in deposit banking?
610  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] ‘Dark Wallet’ Is About to Make Bitcoin Money Laundering Easier... on: May 02, 2014, 10:09:45 AM
Does any nation have a constitutional clause guaranteeing a right to anonymity? If not, then why is it more important than privacy?

Some mention a need for anonymity (not just privacy) with certain operations such as voting.  I don't think many talk much about anonymity, but then many such documents were written long before the surveillance apparatus we have today was established.

Part of the reason real anonymity is important is that these days, privacy is often breached when it should not be.  I believe that as we head further into the digital age, the distinction between "anonymous" and "private" will continue to grow, and the distinction between "private" and "public" will continue to shrink.
611  Economy / Speculation / Re: $10,000 within 3 years? on: May 01, 2014, 01:19:30 PM
Most people won't even accept a 5% risk of their children becoming homeless even in exchange for an expected profit of 100-fold.

Sounds like a gameshow to me.
612  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] ‘Dark Wallet’ Is About to Make Bitcoin Money Laundering Easier... on: May 01, 2014, 12:26:27 PM
Isn't the developer shooting his own foot by openly admitting he wants his wallet to be used for illegal activities and black market?

Yes, but strong ethics, courage, and convection often lead to this.  One extreme example to make the point clear: the tank man of Tiananmen Square fame really shot himself in the foot when he decided to block a chain of advancing tanks rather than go home and watch some TV.


Understand; however he could have made his point just by releasing the wallet. He didn't have to BRAG about the illegal usage. Its like bragging about the crimes you committed when the feds are arresting you.

"Anything you say can be used against you. You have the right to remain silent" Smiley

Releasing the wallet quietly would have made a very different point.  Everyone has the right to remain silent, but if no-one ever speaks up then why bother with freedom of speech?
613  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] ‘Dark Wallet’ Is About to Make Bitcoin Money Laundering Easier... on: May 01, 2014, 11:46:13 AM
Isn't the developer shooting his own foot by openly admitting he wants his wallet to be used for illegal activities and black market?

Yes, but strong ethics, courage, and convection often lead to this.  One extreme example to make the point clear: the tank man of Tiananmen Square fame really shot himself in the foot when he decided to block a chain of advancing tanks rather than go home and watch some TV.

I lack such courage myself, but have enough to openly declare (with this pseudonym which is loosely linked to my real identity) that I support Dark Wallet and what it stands for, and that I donated 1 BTC yesterday.  It would be great to see Dark Wallet used to make the online drug marketplace safer for consumers and dealers alike.
614  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] ‘Dark Wallet’ Is About to Make Bitcoin Money Laundering Easier... on: May 01, 2014, 12:42:19 AM
It's great to see that this project continues.  Very important work!
615  Economy / Speculation / Re: $10,000 within 3 years? on: May 01, 2014, 12:20:35 AM
10-15%.  I consider myself very bullish.
616  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] Bitcoin entrepreneurs target Mt Gox lifeline on: April 30, 2014, 04:39:43 PM
Found it.

Quote from: Jeremy Bachille
A group of Bitcoin entrepreneurs hoping to revive the bankrupt exchange Mt Gox has won backing for its controversial plan from a number of its creditors in the US, Canada and Europe.

The consortium, called Sunlot, is hoping that the additional support will raise the pressure on the Japanese bankruptcy authorities to halt the liquidation and transfer Mt Gox’s assets to new owners.

The plan has split the Bitcoin community, which is reeling from the collapse of the first and most prominent exchange for the virtual currency. Mt Gox filed for bankruptcy protection in February and said that 850,000 Bitcoins were unaccounted for. It later revised the number to 650,000 after finding 200,000 Bitcoins in an old digital file.

A Japanese court appointed a liquidator this month, and customers have been warned that they may get back few or none of the Bitcoins that they entrusted to the exchange.

By offering to distribute the 200,000 rediscovered Bitcoins to Mt Gox customers and giving them a 16.5 per cent interest in a revived exchange, Sunlot said it would offer a better deal for creditors than liquidation.

For its part, Sunlot hopes to use a deal to become a large virtual currency exchange, since many of Mt Gox’s creditors would have a stake in using it.
Groups of creditors who are suing Mt Gox in the US and Canadian courts were on Monday night planning to file legal papers in support of Sunlot’s plan, saying that they would drop their lawsuits if the group was allowed to take control of Mt Gox.

Jed McCaleb, Mt Gox founder, and former marketing head Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, who were being sued, have signed on in support. Mark Karpelès, Mt Gox’s chief executive, has not.

The impact of the agreements on the bankruptcy proceedings in Dallas in the US and in Tokyo in Japan – where Mt Gox was based – will depend on whether bankruptcy trustee Nobuaki Kobayashi decides they give the consortium additional credibility.

Mr Kobayashi was unavailable for comment on Tuesday, a public holiday in Japan.

Sunlot member John Betts, who worked on electronic trading platforms for UBS, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, said: “This is a complex process and a unique situation, and we offer the best and most practical solution for the customers of Mt Gox and help to Mr Kobayashi in the challenges he faces representing their best interests.”

Sunlot’s other backers include entrepreneurs Brock Pierce and Jonathan Yantis, and venture capitalists William Quigley and Matthew Roszak.

The group first tried to take over the ailing exchange in February when it went offline and said that hackers had been attacking the company unnoticed over an extended period.

The idea has encountered both positive and negative reactions among the Bitcoin community, with many expressing suspicion over the motives of the group and concerns about transparency. Sunlot has launched a website, savegox.com, to drum up support.
617  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-04-29] Bitcoin entrepreneurs target Mt Gox lifeline on: April 30, 2014, 10:48:35 AM
Just tried from a basic UK residential IP address.  I'm asked to register.  If I disable javascript, I get the title and author, but no content.

A quick web search yielded no content.

Stop posting up paywall sites as news sources.

+1
618  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: U.S. Government Is Turning Seized Silk Road Bitcoins Into Cash on: April 29, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
i keep hearing this but wouldnt they just put a sell order into an exchange for all the bitcoins and create a wall and then that would make price go down but yeah i dont get why its taking them so long and if they havnt dumped then why is price still going down

Shouldn't they do an auction to get the best price?

Why would they try to get the best price?  This is a government agency, not a business.


Government-seized property is usually sold via auctions.

Yes, this is a much better reason for why an auction will likely take place.
619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: U.S. Government Is Turning Seized Silk Road Bitcoins Into Cash on: April 29, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
i keep hearing this but wouldnt they just put a sell order into an exchange for all the bitcoins and create a wall and then that would make price go down but yeah i dont get why its taking them so long and if they havnt dumped then why is price still going down

Shouldn't they do an auction to get the best price?

Why would they try to get the best price?  This is a government agency, not a business.
620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Goxxed" is a terrible word on: April 28, 2014, 10:55:30 PM
but saying "you been goxxed" is excellent. because just those 3 words gives people knowledge that
1) a person was scammed out of funds
2) the scam happened in december 2013
...

'Goxxed' is a term that was in general use well before December 2013. This last event was not Gox's first round of screwing users.

Gox started Goxing way back in June 2011.
When all the email addresses were released (after a hack/notebook computer theft) was the first time I got Goxed.

Soon after Gox helped make BTC crash all the way down to 1 penny, and many people got Goxed!

Yep.  The term "Goxed" evolved to fill the need to communicate "being screwed by Mt.Gox's incompetence".  I'd hope to see it evolve further to cover incompetence by other businesses in the crypto-currency sphere.

Being "Goxed" certainly doesn't refer to one event.  A bitcoiner would have to be pretty new to the scene to think this, particularly owing to the prophecies of an imminent goxing prior to the final collapse by various forum members.

Both spellings "Goxed" and "Goxxed" trace their roots back a number of years, and seem to be used interchangeably.  While I prefer "Goxed" (fitting with standard spelling rules), it seems that these are largely considered alternative spellings.

I watched the market value collapse to 1 penny in real time; that was just awesome!  Mt.Gox rolled trades back which caused a bit of a stink, especially among the then newbies who were confusing Mt.Gox's ability to do this with the "no chargebacks" feature of Bitcoin itself.

I do find it fitting that Mt.Gox went out by delivering one huge final goxing (literally "ultimate goxing").
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