^^^ Modern "satellite" dishes use what's called troposcatter technology developed by the US military; a signal is transmitted from radio towers then bounced off of the troposphereic plane and received by the dish antenna.

"Moon bounce" (Moon not actually required) is when a signal (usually laser light) is bounced off of the dome (firmament).

^^^ You guys are trying to frame an argument of somebody born into '''religious dogma''', that can't give up an emotional faith in something that's not based on fact, logic and reason. Your tired Piccard (a sci-fi character based on Swiss physicist Auguste Piccard) meme is not an argument.

I can show pieces of manufactured steel that fall out of the sky, I can show that curved ranbows can't form without a curved mirror, I can even produce a photograph (all-be-it less than definitive) of the dome from an exploration of the Antarctic region before the Antarctic Treaty System was put in place.

If pieces of steel fall out of the sky on a regular basis, you'd think one might get a fucking clue that the sky is made out of metal? The Bible describes the construction of a dome (firmament) over Earth by giants (Titans). Science has lead me to God.




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Show me a single biblical passage that supports the idea that the Earth moves around the Sun (Copernican model). Show me a single biblical passage that supports the idea that Earth is a sphere/ball/globe (a circle can be a flat plain BTW).


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Here's 67 verses that says the sun moves:

 Genesis
15:12: ” and when the sun was going down “
15:17: ” when the sun went down “
19:23: “The sun was risen upon the earth.”
28:11: ” because the sun was set. “
32:31: ” the sun rose. ”

Exodus
17:12: ” until the going down of the sun. “
22:3: ” if the sun be risen upon him. “
22:26…. ” the sun goeth down. ”

Leviticus 22:7: ” And when the sun is down. ”

Numbers 2:3:.. ” toward the rising of the sun. ”

Deuteronomy
11:30: ” the way where the sun goeth down. “
16:6:. ” at the going down of the sun. “
23:11: ” when the sun is down. “
24:13: ” when the sun goeth down. “
24:15: ” neither shall the sun go down. ”


Joshua
1:4: ” the going down of the sun. “
8:29… ” as soon as the sun was down. “
10:12.. ” Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon. “
10:13.. ” and the sun stood still. “
10:27.. ” the time of the going down of the sun. “
12:1…. ” toward the rising of the sun. ”

Judges
5:31…. ” as the sun when he goeth down. “
8:13…. ” before the sun was up. “
9:33…. ” as soon as the sun is up. “
14:18…. ” before the sun went down. “
19:14…. ” and the sun went down. ”

II Samuel
2:24…. ” the sun went down. “
3:35…. ” till the sun be down. “
23:4: ” when the sun riseth. ”

I Kings 22:36…. ” the going down of the sun. ”

I Chronicles 16:30 ” the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. ”

II Chronicles 18:34 ” time of the sun going down. ”

Job
9:7…. ” commandeth the sun and it riseth not. ”
26:7…. ” He hangeth the earth upon nothing. ”

Psalm
19:4…. ” tabernacle for the sun. “
19:5 … ” cometh out to run. “
19:6…. ” goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other. “
50:1…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
93:1…. ” the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved. “
104:19.. ” the sun knoweth his going down. “
104:22.. ” the sun ariseth. “
113:3…. ” from the rising of the sun. ”

Ecclesiastes 1:5…. ” The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down and hasteth to the place where he arose. ”

Isaiah
13:10…. ” sun shall be darkened in his going. “
38:8: ” is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz. “
38:8: ” so the sun returned. “
41:25…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
45:6: ” from the rising of the sun. “
59:19…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
60:20…. ” the sun shall no more go down. ”

Jeremiah 15:9…. ” her sun is gone down while it was yet day. ”

Daniel 6:14…. ” going down of the sun. ”

Amos 8:9…. ” cause the sun to go down at noon. ”
Jonah 4:8…. ” when the sun did arise. ”

Micah 3:6…. ” and the sun shall go down. ”

Nahum 3:17…. ” when the sun ariseth. ”

Malachi 1:11…. ” from the rising of the sun. ”

Luke 4:40…. ” when the sun was setting. ”

James 1:11…. ” for the sun is no sooner risen. “
Habakkuk 3:11…. ” the sun and moon stood still in their habitation. ”

Matthew 5:45…. ” for He maketh His sun to rise. “, 13:6: ” and when the sun was up. ”

Mark 1:32…. ” when the sun did set. “, 4:6: ” when the sun was up. “, 16:2: ” at the rising of the sun. ”

Ephesians 4:26…. ” let not the sun go down upon your wrath. ”



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1. Obtain a precision mechanical gyroscope and gimbal.

2. Obtain a platform that rotates at precisely 15 degrees per hour.

3. Place the gyroscope setup on the platform and rotate the platform at 15 deg/hr thus, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the gyroscope maintains its position in space, when its gimbal is rotated at 15 deg/hr.

4. The argument that the gyroscope is not sensitive enough to detect the Earth rotation predicted by the Copernican model is now falsified beyond a reasonable doubt.

5. Test if the Earth rotates with the gyroscope and take note of the null result.

6. The Copernican model is now falsified beyond a reasonable doubt; the Earth does not move.


"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

I never picked up the Bible once in my life except to toss a copy in the trash. This was before I discovered the firmament (dome) and the inconsolable fact that somebody had to have built it.

So what you're saying is that God is dead, but before he passed he wrote down the ten commandments so you'd have a little something to wipe your ass with? How thoughtful of him.

^^^ you gonna have some 'splainin to do.

Eratosthenes proved the Earth is flat.

As long as you (BADecker) keep claiming the Copernican model is a fact when it's provably false, Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific arguments when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of shit.

I suspect you engage in this behaviour with the intent of allowing Astargath to push your shit down in some sort of twisted good cop bad cop false dichotomy. Your sewing a duck's bill onto an otters face and claiming it's proof the platypus is a real animal.

^^^ You've proven yourself a liar by claiming that you can't take a reading of the Sun at 90 degrees when the sextant is marked with at least 120 degrees.

The ratio of 1 minute to 1 nautical mile is proven, the Sun's diameter is measured directly (32 minutes), and the Sun's distance is computed (3440 nautical miles); the Copernican model is falsified beyond any reasonable doubt.

^^^ You're a fucking liar, a sextant can measure the Sun when it's directly above you at 90 degrees, the fucking scale has 120 degrees on it. YOU FUCKING LIAR!



Image source: https://www.bookharbour.com/freiberger-yacht-sextant

If you've never heard a Christian (not including Catholics who are the devil) claim that giants walked the Earth then you've been living under a rock.

Nothing happened to the Titans (a.k.a. gods, Zeus is the king i.e. God) they still live on mount Olympus located directly above the north star Polaris.

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" -- Isaiah 40:22, KJV

The 10 commandments were written by the hand of Zeus himself and the first commandment states that you will not worship any of the other Titans (gods) before him. The second commandment says not to create pictures of a fake globe earth and outer space.

@Astargath,

No, you don't get it, there's no calculation I'm still trying to working out. I've stated the proof in at least three posts now. I haven't provided a diagram yet because of the work involved, I completely botched the first attempt and I'm in no hurry to repeat that even though I know what I was missing now.

Let me try and break it down here:

1. Measure the Sun with a sextant (use a marine sextant as it has the welding glass for looking at the Sun) at sunrise or sunset when the Sun is 50% visible i.e. 0 degrees elevation. The result will be 16 minutes. This is the Sun's refracted size and it can very slightly based on weather conditions. I believe this type of refractive magnification is also called looming.

2. Calculate the Sun's un-refracted size at 0 degrees elevation based on the angular size limitation of the human eye (1 minute). The result is unsurprisingly, 1 minute as there is in fact no calculation involved.

3. Calculate the distance to he horizon through the atmospheric plane with a 1 foot eye elevation. The result is unsurprisingly, 1 nautical mile. The angular limit of the eye being 1 minute equates to being able to see a 1 foot object at a maximum distance of 1/2 nautical miles.

4. Measure the Sun at 90 degrees elevation with no refraction. The result is 32 minutes.

5. Use a right angle trigonometry calculator and enter the Sun's radius in nautical miles (16) and an angle from one side (59.73333). The result is a distance of 3440 nautical miles. We know the Sun's radius in nautical miles because we proved 1 minute equals 1 nautical mile with the calculation in step #3.

That's it, proof beyond a reasonable doubt the Sun is a close small object.

^^^ The Bermuda Triangle is where the rockets that NASA uses to fake outer space and "universe" go after they're launched.

Your opinion has less value than a BFL pre-order.

No, no it's not too far off topic, there is no "shut it down" now.

The Moon is a small, close light projected off of a mirrored steel alloy dome. You wanted to know the source of the iron in the dome and it's blood.

You reject this and say iron comes from the hot fusion inside stars that are suns that are heavy balls millions & billions of miles wide, and billions & trillions of miles distant, and these massive thermonuclear bombs that never stop exploding are held aloft by a theoretical force (relativistic gravity) that can't be proven and in fact has been falsified (Sagnac-D&P 1939). This magic force that has been experimentally falsified at the University of France in 1939, you claim also powers an un-provable physical chain reaction (hot fusion; "just give us another $10 billion dollars and 10 more years") that produces the iron that somehow makes its way to our Earth that you claim is a sphere with a pressurized atmosphere on its surface that's spinning in a vacuum.

Unfortunately (for your rebuttal) stars, much like the Moon are close, small projected lights and the iron that's in our blood, that comes from the plants we eat, doesn't come from lights in the sky. It's ultimately produced by a process called... can you guess?

Indeed, just as the worlds most famous rocket scientist (von Braun) stated, it is unscientific to arbitrarily reject the idea that man and Earth are the result of an intelligent design. However you go downhill from there.

Huge scientific errors like the age of the Earth are the result of delusional, inept and intellectually dishonest scientists, and say nothing in regards to the accuracy of the Bible. The fact these same pseudo-scientists never reference any information regarding anything that would expose the crackpot theories they push as fact, and go so far as to engage in cover-ups of evidence thereof is really no surprise.

As for Ucy's comment on the supernatural, can you prove that anything is natural? Can you show that the entire concept of natural isn't a logical fallacy?

The KJV indicates the "filthy" giants were hybrid creatures born after the nephlim (sons of god, one "size" up from man, different genetics) decided to have sex with (wo)men (one "size" up from current humans). The Titans (gods) are civilized and bear civilization(s).

The people in the KJV are not modern humans (sons of man), "man" is not a modern human, "man" lives 1000 years and is 15 feet tall.

Source: https://imgur.com/gallery/upl6i

"we just need another $10 billion in gibs, we'll make fusion power a reality in less than 10 years!" they just keep repeating that slogan every decade.

Two Weeks™, do you see where I'm going with this?

Haven't you noticed that stars all move as a group around a central point? They're small points of light no more than a few thousand miles away. Heavy giant flaming balls of fire in the sky is science fiction, and fusion power is a scam and a fraud.

An airplane flies over the plain in Spain because the air above the plain in Spain is a plane.

Iron comes from blood.