Why are you still doing this. You obviously know you're wrong, otherwise you would of accepted the challenge. You've been caught lying. You've been caught stealing. Spamming your affiliate link every day is just going to make it harder to forget. If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
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It seems like it shouldnt be that far off.
That's because you are a human with emotions. Not a computer. If you want to prove it's rigged forget how you "feel" or it "seems", get the HHs of an adequate sample size, figure out what's going on and explain it to the rest of us. Here's an example of how Michael Shackleford did it (successfully imo) http://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/casino-bar/Otherwise people will look at you the same as guys like this: +1 THE LIVE GAMES ARE RIGGED! GO PLAY BETONPOKER ITS JUST SO IN YOUR FACE RIGGED THAT ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY!
I'm not gonna agre/disagree with what your saying, I fully respect your opinion, However, that was not what i said, The person who replied with a extremely bold statement, for some reason was passionately defending her "side" (if u will), however I had not said anything that wasn't totally opinion based, (my opinion), so for someone to reply with a strong defense, against something that I am basing on only how I felt, and not facts, is rude. So I felt it was important to explain myself, What do you mean that's not what you said? I got the impression you thought there was a huge chance the site was not "legit" or even close to reality and that your qualifications include gambling for over 10 years. I feel like you said a lot, but nothing relevant? Anyway, maybe its legit, (i have huge doubts) but thats just me. Maybe others feel different, but I've been gambling for about a decade now, so I do know the basic odds of blackjack, roulette, spanish 21, etc. and when I see I'm winning about 35% of my hands, playing every hand strictly by the book, and over the course of thousands of hands, and months of playing, It seems like it shouldnt be that far off. I've seen many many win/loss statements, and obviously the longer you play its usually a net loss, but its never even close to 35%/65%. Both my experience in the dutch antiles and statistics would "provably" say not to trust the locals in Curacao with 5 guilders. lol You can't bring a calculator, and "disapprove" my own opinion. (You might just look stupid)  The more you focus on how you feel and worrying about looking stupid doing math the farther your conclusion will be from reality. |
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"Ok so I'm confused now. You told Twitchy "the far majority of players haven't received an email. It's about 20% that have". How would you know how many players have received the phishing emails if you weren't sending them?"
You really shouldn't be confused. We are in constant communication with our great players over at our community at www.betcoin.ag everyday and we get their feedback on nearly everything through the website. At www.Betcoin.ag we can keep everything much more organized within player accounts, support tickets, FAQ's so as to execute in the most efficient manner. Come over to www.Betcoin.ag anytime and join the conversation anytime. Please point to where you communicated with players and they indicated that they did not receive phishing emails. Because there has been a constant stream of comments on your forums, your chat box, and on here where tons of players indicated that they DID. For your 20% number to be correct that means that you need several hundreds of players who communicated to you that they did not. I have no far seen zero. (signature sluts don't count) |
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We will certainly keep you posted and guesses at the new features are certainly welcome?
Are you going to start encrypting sensitive info? Are you going to start keeping records of players tournament history? Maybe even allow players to access their tournament history!? Are you going to start requiring email verification? Are you going to start maintaining a database of all hands dealt and have one person on staff learn how to use it effectively? Are you going to train William to be less aggressive? Are you going to train plo8 to be less passive? Are you going to train Jessica to be less of a passive aggressive bitc oin user? Excellent questions twitchyseal. 1. Nearly all sensitive data is already encrypted and we are increasing the security even more with our next update that will occur within 4 weeks. Currently we are testing the software in the dev environment and have another poker update that should be occurring first within 10-14 days. 2. YES! This will be included in the next update as well. The only reason is wasn't included when we launched is because some competitors didn't require it at the time in 2013 and it was thought by management to be best, but after discussing it some time and you and others feedback as well as reducing multi-accounting it will be implemented. 3. We have at our disposal what our providers offer and we are working with them to increase this and provide even more data to our great players. We will keep you posted here but expect to see more data available with successive updates though we can't explicitly speak as to when this will be available. 4. Yes, certainly. He is very passionate about Betcoin and as you know you have the ability to get under his skin a bit. He does have respect for you, however and knows your heart is in the right place as you are at Betcoin daily and with posts like this only seek to help improve our great community. 5. Plo is doing an excellent job and has been going above and beyond what is asked of him at this time. We won't seek to change plo's personality. 6. I don't even believe Jessica uses bitcoin at this time, though she is obviously very familiar with it. Thanks twitch! Will you stop sending your loyal users phishing emails? Well I'm confused. Managment thought it would be best to not keep financial records for WPN tournaments? Any other reason besides having a competitor that also didn't? I always thought i t was just because of a complication with the conversion you don't know how to fix and Magnus Lindberg or Ali Bagheri aren't picking up the phone any more. Are you going to start keeping records of players tournament history? Maybe even allow players to access their tournament history!?2. YES! This will be included in the next update as well. The only reason is wasn't included when we launched is because some competitors didn't require it at the time in 2013 and it was thought by management to be best, but after discussing it some time and you and others feedback as well as reducing multi-accounting it will be implemented.
"Ok so I'm confused now. You told Twitchy "the far majority of players haven't received an email. It's about 20% that have". How would you know how many players have received the phishing emails if you weren't sending them?"
You really shouldn't be confused. We are in constant communication with our great players over at our community at www.betcoin.ag everyday and we get their feedback on nearly everything through the website. At www.Betcoin.ag we can keep everything much more organized within player accounts, support tickets, FAQ's so as to execute in the most efficient manner. Come over to www.Betcoin.ag anytime and join the conversation anytime. Constant communication? Let me remind you of this ticket thats still open:  |
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with that logic if you dont get your pay from sign campaing you will not say sign campaigner is scamer right?
Good point.
Lets say a site decided to end their sig campaign and not pay anyone for the final month. Could we call them scammers even though the Sig campaign was closed? I think most would.
Not with pawels logic:You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik. Would the site benefit by keeping funds for themselves that the members were entitled to? Yes obviously.
But not with Pawels logic:It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that. With pawels logic, they would be not be guilty of stealing money and since they were no longer actively using the signatures, they wouldn't be guilty of stealing time and work.They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids). Would participating in a signature campaign for an unethically run business be ethical (Like FJ or Betcoin.ag?) |
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Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino). The second part involves them allowing honest players to be cheated by dishonest players in their poker room. You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik. I guess this is true. They advertised the contest with huge prizes for months, extended the deadline by another month and then paid out only tiny prizes. But no, they aren't advertising for the contest which is now over any more. It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that. There are many was to define "scam" and I agree FJs actions do not satisfy all of them. They did directly benefit from this contest though. They put out an official looking press release which was picked up by many affiliate sites and blogs giving them the appearance of a site which should be trusted to. Then there's also the 10 videos which FJ jack now exclusively owns. Some of the contestants even paid to have their video hosted on other sites to get more views. All of this directly benefits FJ. They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids). They owe the contestants the prizes they promised. Period. Whether or not they are actively using submitted videos is irrelevant. What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse. Even if they meant to say 3 BTC divided, that would of been .3 BTC to each. They still only paid out 10% of that (.03 BTC)! Their argument is basically, "we didn't have to pay out anyone anything if we didn't want to, be happy we gave .03 to some of them" |
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For sure, it seems to me like at the very least they should have opened up some sort of logins on the website so that you could recover your old account and maybe chit-chat in the trollbox. As it stands, I haven't even been able to log-in since Dec 2014. In March 2015 when Micon said android or some sort of cross-platform ability was coming, I believed. I don't really believe anymore.
For the record, SWC Poker is not the same as the old Seals With Clubs. Micon is not (and has never been) involved with SWC Poker, and it's not run by the same people who ran Seals With Clubs. The original Seals With Clubs was shut down a long time ago, and there is no plan to resurrect it. However, SWC Poker has a listing of old Seals accounts, and if you e-mail support@swcpoker.eu, they will transfer your old account name and krill over to the new site if there was an e-mail address associated with your Seals With Clubs account. Are you forgetting that period where micon fled to antigua, made a weird video and got swcpoker up and running right before his "oh shit i have a family" moment? Edit: ok im too slow If you are not a spokes person you are doing a good job to promote and a even better job of making it seem like no one is involved from the ole days in the new site. If this is the case,there really is little reason for many of us to go and play since the vibe is no longer. But something tells me that the same people are around the scene in some form and this is just some smoke and mirrors.
Pretty sure if Micon was hiding behind the scenes he would fail at the hiding part. My spies tell me he is trying to go pro at racing drones or something. |
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We will certainly keep you posted and guesses at the new features are certainly welcome?
Are you going to start encrypting sensitive info? Are you going to start keeping records of players tournament history? Maybe even allow players to access their tournament history!? Are you going to start requiring email verification? Are you going to start maintaining a database of all hands dealt and have one person on staff learn how to use it effectively? Are you going to train William to be less aggressive? Are you going to train plo8 to be less passive? Are you going to train Jessica to be less of a passive aggressive bitc oin user? |
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All participants were contacted individually via email and informed about contest results.
Is this the email you are referring to?  This email only explains why you were unable to award the 1st 2nd or 3rd prize. However, there is clearly no minimum number of views required for 4th-30th place. There is also no mention that 4th - 30th place prizes would not be given unless 3 players were able to satisfy the requirements for 1st - 3rd place. This is what you said: Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.
I'm sure you understand that with such high requirements, which nobody was able to even come close to meeting, if you refuse to award prizes for 4th place on it will seem as if you never intended to pay any of the advertised prizes.
About your poker issue we are still working on it with our partners. Please be patient. We will definitely get back to you as we NEVER leave our customers without attention.
Uhh, it's been 34 days since I first asked you to clarify your stance on multi accounting and allowing instant cashouts. The only response was 27 days ago when you told me I've gotten is when you told me: We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. I can only imagine if these players were cheating you out of your money, rather than other players, you would consider the issue more urgent. As a result, the only victims will be the players who are not taking advantage of the lack of security. |
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So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3 BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03 BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with. I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/VzzopDear User, In spite of the fact that none of the videos met the required criteria, but we rewarded our participants anyway. Video # 1 was rewarded with Jack's Favorite prize and other participants also got small rewards. If you have any further questions we are ready to discuss them by email support@fortunejack.com. Thank you Regards FortuneJack Team. Did you inform the users individually why they were disqualified? Why did you ignore all the users who were asking for information on the contest over the past 13 days? How do you explain these comments, if not a single entry met the required criteria? So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. Dear Video Contest Participants,
We would like to thank you for all your amazing videos that you managed to create for our video contest. Your creativity, your effort goes beyond the limit. Our team is delighted to see you trying to put your all understanding about FortuneJack and show the advantages to the public of becoming our user. We have to admit, you managed to gather and come up with the fabulous outcome.
Why have you not responded to my poker related question? I first asked on March 10th, a week later you told me: We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. Today is April 13th, and you are deleting the questions from your thread which are still unanswered. |
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So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3 BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03 BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with. I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/VzzopI can't say for sure how many entries there were, but agree with the rest of your post. For the record, I did not enter this contest and have not spent much time on the site at all. I just began following the thread about two months ago when they launched poker and figured if I didn't speak up this would probably be buried. They also confirmed in their YouTube contest thread that they were receiving quality entries, although it's very possible they were just saying that at the time I suppose: So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!! Dear Video Contest Participants,
We would like to thank you for all your amazing videos that you managed to create for our video contest. Your creativity, your effort goes beyond the limit. Our team is delighted to see you trying to put your all understanding about FortuneJack and show the advantages to the public of becoming our user. We have to admit, you managed to gather and come up with the fabulous outcome.
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Stumbled upon this brilliant display of journalism: http://www.gambling911.com/poker/bryan-micon-and-seals-clubs-make-top-10-bitcoin-fail-list-040416.htmlCoinTelegraph.com has come up with its Top 10 Bitcoin Fails, and there are plenty of them.
Online gambling was not immune to the failings.
The website lists online poker site Seals With Clubs and its founder Bryan Micon along side dodgy banks, drug dealers online and Kidnappers, among others.
The Seals With Clubs site came in at number 4.
#4: Unlicensed Online Gambling Dens
Gambling has always been in a legal grey area, and online platforms for the activity are no exception.
Bryan Micon, operator of the closed down bitcoin-fueled poker site Seals With Clubs, has been charged by the Nevada Attorney General with operating an unlicensed gambling enterprise, and faces up to ten years in prison and a US$50,000 fine. Interestingly enough it seems he is willing to try an unconventional and as-of-yet untested defense strategy, arguing that Bitcoin is not the same as Currency in the context of gambling law.
According to information available from Nevada’s Attorney General’s website, the investigation into Micon is unique as it is believed to be the first state-level criminal prosecution of an illegal poker website operating with Bitcoin. In a statement released on the Attorney General’s website, AG Burnett, Chairman of the Nevada State Gaming Control Board said that his organisation was “pleased to work” with the office of the Attorney General to stop an interactive gaming website operating without a gaming license.
- Aaron Goldstein, Gambling911.com
And this is all from last week... Submitted by Aaron Goldstein on Mon, 04/04/2016 - 16:40 The whole list: http://cointelegraph.com/news/top-10-bitcoin-fails-from-gambling-ponzi-to-mother-of-all-fraudsI feel dumber after reading that. |
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Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ? No, harassing signature campaign participants won't solve anything. I've seen it happen with the DiceBitco.in scam and it only causes people to be angry and annoyed at both sides. You could send them a friendly message telling them about this scam accusations, but I won't stand for harassment. I agree that giving the sig campaign members a hard time as a whole won't accomplish anything. However, with both Betcoin.ag and FortuneJack, their signature campaigns are the only reason they are able to to maintain the appearance as if everything is great. It's a whole lot easier to ignore the 1 or 2 guys asking "hey, where's our money" when you have 8 or 9 people posting simple questions followed up with compliments. Then there are the campaign members who are so eager to please in hopes of a "treat" they will lie or try to bully any who criticize their site. I suppose I'm getting off topic as this thread is about specific issues with Fortune Jack. Mitchell, do you think it would be appropriate to make thread in Meta about the way FJ and Betcoin.ag are (imo) abusing signature campaigns? Or reputation? Or scam accusation? I dont know. |
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Hello, i would like to know if i am eligible to enter this campaign. If i am, i would gladly join. Thank you.
Hello, I reviewed your account and sent a PM to you. Good luck and best regards! You haven't accepted any new members in weeks have you? I just realized you accepted like 5 since February and none since March 20. Unless I'm looking at the wrong document (possible) If so the whole "Join Today" thing is just another excuse for YOU to spam huh? |
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To clarify: Created over 100 accounts for communication purposes, not cheating purposes. Jessica loves to ban right in the middle of a conversation, or even right after asking me a question directly, so I got pretty good at creating a new account and logging back in within 10 seconds, literally. I was banned on and off for most of December-March. They never explained why I was unbanned how I could avoid being banned again and the only answer I got second hand for ever being banned was "spamming" When I asked for them to tell me what I said that they considered "spam" they ignored me. I even made a post asking for clarification from staff over a month ago. This was ignored: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoins-definition-spamI also made a post requesting some sort of policy be determined so players know what is and is not allowed: https://www.betcoin.ag/forum-moderation-policy-or-lackThis ended up being locked, so I made another one, which ended up being deleted. So I created a ticket, you can see the ticket here: [LINK]Or to sum it up, I spent a week asking why of all the shit posted on Betcoin they were choosing to delete my thread about forum policy and got this:  |
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We are here for you anytime.
Here to ignore us? After an extensive review and research, Betcoin Poker was able to pinpoint the programming error that caused the rake overcharges from 10/30/15-12/9/15 and is providing refunds to players or a Daily Coin Ticket based on the following criteria. If a player played at Betcoin Poker using the 100% rakeback promo, the player will technically owe funds to Betcoin. Instead of taking these funds from the player account, the player can create a ticket requesting a Daily Coin Ticket in lieu of the account review. Each player requesting a refund of the overcharged rake must create a ticket here: www.betcoin.ag/support. The review of the player account will take up to 10 business days to complete. If the player owes Betcoin funds, the player's account will be deducted those funds, however if the player chooses to accept a ticket in lieu of a review, the player will be awarded the ticket. I don't think I fully understand. Are you saying that you may have accidentally taken too much money from me, but in order to find out whether you did I have to forego a free tournament entry? How am I meant to know whether the value of the proposed bribe is bigger or smaller than the amount you accidentally took from me before you tell me how much you took from me? Couldn't you just tell me how much you took? It shouldn't be too hard to make a list of how much each player is short: Loop over all the hands in the affected period { Calculate the amount of rake taken Subtract the amount of rake that should have been taken Assign the difference to the relevant player totals } If that's too much, could you maybe send me my hand history over the relevant period so I can do the math for myself please? Thanks. |
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Hello,
this is my 1st and the last PM which I will sent to you.
I just want to let you know that I won't reply to your posts on our thread because:
1. your posts are clearly off-topic
2. your posts are clearly a nonsense. My posts are not off topic, they are in response to you and are very much related to Betcoin and this signature campaign. Just because you don't like to hear what I have to say, doesn't qualify them as spam or off topic, no matter how many times you say so. This is what happens when a business attempts to appear available to the public with nothing to hide, yet responds primarily to those who they pay to post. My original post in this thread was to inform you that ftwbtc1 (an account most likely controlled by Betcoin Jessica) was being deceptive and applying for this campaign with an alt account while a current member. You then asked: Can you explain what do you mean? First you came here and post something about our Participant and then you say that "the sponsor is behind all of this." Behind all of what? So then I explained, providing more than enough evidence that ftwbtc1 and noobtc were, in fact, the same person. Multiple members of your campaign and Betcoin have agreed on this. Not you though. You simply ignored all of the evidence and basically told me I was wrong, without any rational explanation. No disrespect, but I must stop you here.
Ftwbtc came here as a "Member" and he just nicely wanted to participate in our campaign.
I told him that we don't accept "members" but he wanted to wear our signature without getting paid per post.
He is a big fan of the Betcoin.ag because he know that Betcoin.ag is one of the best.
I mean WTF? Seriously? Later on, you went on to say this: to be honest with you I'm very sure that your accusations against Betcoin.ag are false.
So I've asked you many times, what do you know that makes you so sure my accusations are false!? You're pm did not answer this question. I answered many times to your senseless questions and my answer is still the same. No! You haven't! And it's not sensless, it's pretty simple really. Answer is:
I believe that Betcoin.ag hasn't scammed anyone and all your false accusations are just posted because perhaps someone paid you to troll Betcoin.ag. That's what I think. Ok, you suspect that perhaps someone is paying me to do all this, and you believe Betcoin has never scammed anyone. Do you understand the difference between thinking someone perhaps is paying me and being quite sure everything I say is false? Have you bothered to even research anything? I suspect you do not play at Betcoin and you're probably not very familiar with the world of online gambling. If this is true, its OK to just say so. I figured that would be the case before my first post. You're a campaign manager not a poker player or gambler, there's nothing wrong with that. But there is something wrong with standing behind a business while they are facing serious accusations for no other reason than they pay you and are nice to you. |
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5/19 Update:FortuneJack says they will be splitting up 3 BTC among each of the video contest contestants.
The rules posted in December offered "a total of 3 BTC each.", but I think everyone is satisfied as they obviously screwed up the rules and are at least now paying out 10 times more than what was originally sent.
That being said, as of right now they haven't apologized or even admitted to any wrong doing. They basically ignored the issue hoping it would go away. When they realized it wasn't going away, they tried to cover it up with more lies. Only after being caught lying again, did they decide to pay... Cliffs:April 12th - I started this thread. FJ responded twice claiming they owed nothing and the contestants should be grateful FJ was generous enough to send them .03 BTC since they didn't have to. They ignored the whole thing for the next month. May 13th - They made post implying that users were disqualified for fraudulent views on their videos. (This was bullshit - majority of videos had under 100 views, the most was around 300) May 17th - They made a post with mostly irrelevant info and a couple lies. Lie #1- We never advertised 100 BTC in prizes, as there was only 27 BTC prize fund. Lie #2- We never deleted posts written on our thread, unless it was a scum or false accusation written in Bold and Red format. Proof that both were lies in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.msg14861247#msg14861247May 16 - They this absurd claim about me. There is absolutely no truth to this statement: Our negative relationship started with you demanding to be payed for signature campaign posts, when you were not even enrolled in it. After attaching our signature to your profile and posting on the forum, you demanded to be payed overrunning the usual procedure every community member has to pass. Since then, you spam and scam the thread. May 17 - Brand new account claiming to be COO of Bitcoin PR Buzz makes a post claiming the "3 btc each" Press Release made in Feb was her fault because she changed it after they sent it to her. I posted proof that just before she made this post, FortuneJack edited their own post from December, which said the same exact thing this person claimed was her mistake in Feb. Requests to confirm she worked for a seperate company and what her relationship to FJ was have all been ignored. May 18th - FJ claims it was Bitcoin PR Buzz' fault that the rules were posted wrong from the FJ account in December. Pokerplayers should check out their lol evidence screenshot of tournament lobby payouts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.msg14885728#msg14885728Oh and this is unrelated but they think it's fine to advertise 4% rake and take 5% (This is actually a big deal for a serious poker player) The rake is advertised as 4% at cash tables, but they are taking 5%. This needs to be fixed immediately.
No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid. The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.
Fortune Jacks has maintained a reputation by appearing to be available on this forum to answer any questions and defend themselves against any accusations the way an honest business would. In reality, they are using Bitcointalk to maintain a good reputation while consistently behaving scummy. When a player comes to their thread with an issue , they are often bullied into silence by other users who are clearly being motivated to protect FJs reputation at all cost. If that doesn't work, FJ simply deletes the post and the thread continues to be flooded with praise from signature campaign members working on meeting their monthly quota. I will be bringing more attention to these practices in another post (FJ is not the only site abusing bitcointalk) as I see it as a much bigger problem than the two separate issues below.
ISSUE #1 - The Youtube Video ContestFrom December - April, FJ ran a contest with over 100 BTC in prizes to the winners who would be announced on April 1. This contest was heavily advertised. April first came and went, no winners were announced, it seems they ended up awarding a total of 0.28 BTC to the 8 entries and refuse to respond to any questions. The rules for the contest: Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!! Note: Only the top 3 prizes have a minimum # of views required. Also, they ended up extending the deadline to April 1. The prizes:  One could interpret the prize chart as 4-10 receiving 3 BTC or 4-10 sharing 3 BTC however FJ clarifies that 4-10 would receive 3 BTC each. A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.
On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack.
The FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest which is the latest promotion on deck the Bitcoin casino, but it is unlike the typical Christmas and holiday bonuses and promotions that require playing Bitcoin slots and other games. This FortuneJack exclusive opens a refreshing and interesting portal where participants can earn lucrative amounts of BTCs out of their uniqueness and creativity.
Participants of the FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest can win up to 10BTC when they place first in this one-of-a-kind contest in BTC gambling. The mission is to show why FortuneJack is the better casino.
Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
On April 1st, no winners were announced. Nothing was announced. Someone who entered the contest shared the email the received:  I believe the reward was the same for all entries, 0.03 BTC. Since April 1st, several users have requested FJ explain what happened, they have ignored all of it, responding only posts like this one: [LINK]
ISSUE #2 - Poker at Fortune JackFortuneJack opened a poker room a couple months ago, which is what caught my attention. They run micro stakes and freeroll tournaments mostly. They also do not manually approve withdraws or enforce any traditional rules to prevent players from multi-accounting. They have created a situation where a player can easily play the same tournament from many accounts, and instantly withdraw any funds should they win. On March 9th I first asked them if they intended to take any steps to prevent honest players from being cheated. In case they weren't, I suggested they simply inform all the players that they were not preventing players from using multiple accounts. By not saying anything, they were making any honest player a victim. FJ responded to a few other posts, but not mine, so I asked again on March 10th. [LINK] After being ignored for a week I asked again [LINK] This time I got a reply: Dear user,
Thank you for the interest in the above mentioned clauses. We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. Your opinion matters, thank you for helping us improve your future visits! Have a great day.
Since this response, nearly a month ago, they have failed to respond and begun to simply delete posts questioning them. In the same period, however, they have renewed their signature campaign and responded to thank anyone who paid them a compliment.
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FortuneJack, There are some serious accusations in your main thread which you seem to be ignoring. Please Address them.
Users should consider that FortuneJack is refusing to address several important issues lately when deciding whether or not to promote them in their signature. Some of them explained in THIS POST and the rest in the same thread. Also, for some reason FJ is addressing old scam accusations which were ignored months ago as if they were made yesterday IN THIS THREADUsers, Just wanted to update this post for anyone considering to join this campaign. Fortune Jack has deleted the questions I originally linked in above post, which was a self moderated thread. I'll just post them here for now and change the link. When I have time to put all the details together for the scam accusation I will let you all know.
Dear FortuneJack, Please explain how your giant Video Contest concluded. I understand nobody met the view requirements for the top 3 prizes, what about all the "Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each." Here is how you advertised it, in case you forgot: Massive amounts of Bitcoin in store for the victors
Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan. 15 to Feb. 29, 2016.
A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.
On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
Massive amounts of Bitcoin in store for the victors
Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan. 15 to Feb. 29, 2016.
In order to land on the third place spot, entries must generate at least 7,000 views. 10,000 views, on the other hand, are required to be able to hit the second place title.
Meanwhile, the video that garners over 15,000 views will be crowned as the champion of this FortuneJack promotional campaign.
A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.
On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack. 
Also, I'd like to remind you it's been almost one month since I asked you to clarify your rules. You told me you were working on it a couple weeks later, remember?
Dear adaseb,
We have discussed this issue via mail. Hope everything is Ok now. Let us know should you be experiencing the login issue. Thank you.
Please don't ignore me FortuneJack, I'm trying to help you. This is the third time I've asked now, do you think I'm being unreasonable? Attempt #1 [LINK]Attempt #2 [LINK]Attempt #3: Dear FortuneJack,
I don't see any rules about players having multiple accounts. Will you clarify your stance on this.
Are you aggressively taking action to prevent players from multi-accounting and punishing those who do?
If you don't prohibit multi-accounting, I suggest you mention somewhere that multi-accounting is permitted.
Simply doing/saying nothing on the issue is just going to hurt the honest players and benefit the cheaters.
Again, doing nothing will cause the most damage to you players who are the most honest.
Do you allow small cashouts to be processed by new accounts without any sort of manual review? For the sake of game integrity, I hope not.
Do you understand why nearly every other poker site reviews cashout requests when the funds are exposed to peer2peer wagering?
You should consider players cheating other players just as seriously as you take players cheating you.
PS - I'll keep asking you these questions until you answer, so please don't ignore me the way you have in the past.
Dear user, Thank you for the interest in the above mentioned clauses. We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. Your opinion matters, thank you for helping us improve your future visits! Have a great day.
Sites need to be held accountable for their actions, so I'm going to open scam accusation thread if FJ doesn't address video contest and poker room policies soon (when I get around to it). And no, "We are working on the situation" doesn't count anymore.
If someone else wants to make thread, please feel free.
Also if anyone has any info not already posted on video contest please share. I only know whats been said recently.
I promise not to let these issues be forgotten if unresolved. |
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