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641  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 10, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
I have send a PM to all the users who have submitted their willingness to join Qora Team.
Once I hear back from them and they confirm their interest, I will try to establish a communication channel for the team and we could start working for Qora coin.

The form will be remain active and people will be always welcomed to join Qora team.


Vrontis i have not filled in the form because i dont know if i can dedicate enough time justified to being on the Qora team.

I am more than happy to help out where i can. Right now i think if someone in the Qora community can write a very succinct article with all Qora's features that would be a good starting point then we can submit it to all the news sites.

I am willing to pay BTC or Qora bounty to get this written.
642  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 10, 2014, 07:02:01 PM
Bounty
I am pledging 1.5 million qora to the first "PoW mining pool" to "mine" Qora.
Example: http://hashrate.org/
A treasurer/escrower for this is necessary, as well as more donation from other people.

I can hold 5~10 million for the bounty.

I will get an address later tonight if it is still needed.
643  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 10, 2014, 06:40:46 AM
Ok, here are some quick notes on Qora v. Nxt (I've looked at both sets of code a little while this evening.)

Initial Impressions

I can not rule out, beyond certainty, that this wasn't cloned but I can easily verify that if this started from a Nxt fork, a TON of work has been put in modifying the code.  Qora is organized completely differently than Nxt.  From the application entry point, all initialization methods execute completely differently.  If Qora took Nxt, he heavily modified it beyond recognition.

Personally, I've suspected that this wasn't a clone and I've never seen any reason not to trust Qora's claims.  So far, this seems to be likely true-- this is not a fork and is "new source".

Cryptography Analysis

Nxt uses SHA-256 to hash passphrases and then Curve25519 and SHA-256 again to create public/private key.  It signs it's data using, EC-KCDSA.

Qora is a bit of a different beast.  I'm still digging into this section of code but if my quick-scan of DB, Crypto and Account files has produced an accurate understanding, your wallet seed is a random value, stored to a secure DB. Each time a new account is generated, a nonce is appended to the the seed, and a new address is calculated and stored in the DB.

Specifically, an address account is generated by taking the Nonce+seed+Nonce value and double-SHA-256 hashing it to produce a unique account seed.

Next, a Key pair is generated using Ed25519 key pair creation, from the account seed.  To be clear, Ed25519 is slightly different than Curve25519 (which is what Nxt uses.)  After the Pub/Privkey pair is generated,the application takes the RIPEMD160 of the SHA-256 hash of the pub-key.  NExt, Qora prepends a version byte to this hash and then double, SHA-256 hashes the byte array and finally appends the first four bytes of the new hash, to the former.  These last four bytes are used as an account checksum and are used for account ID validation.

This process of a account generation is significantly different than Nxt.  Obviously, Qora makes use of a wallet, where Nxt does not.  Still, the process of creating a payment address is far more robust than Nxt.  In fact, this process is almost-exactly how BTC addresses are created, rather than Nxt.  The only variation is that the version byte is likely different (which results in the "Q" at the beginning of the address) and Ed25519 keys are used by Qora where ECDSA keys are used by BTC and it's clones.

Forging

First, let me go ahead and say that forging is something that I've never looked into deeply. I  understand the very high-level nature of it and I very much understand the big differences between traditional "1.0" coins and these new PoS "2.0" coins.  My notes on forging will, therefore, be very basic sense I know so little about the nuts-and-bolts.  Regardless, here are my observations.

The code is significantly organized in a different manner.  At first glance, I think Nxt and Qora us a completely different approach to come up with similar results.  Again, Qora is more succinct than Nxt.  I'll have to take a while longer to dig into this but since I can't seem to figure out how to build and debug java code through eclipse (Tongue yeah, pretty basic stuff, I know...) I can't run the code and step through this portion to clarify what's going on.  All I can verify is that Nxt vs. Qora looks completely different.  Also, Qora makes use of the global "Generating Balance" to determine the block Target.  From my scan of the Nxt code, no such value is used.  I think there is a bit more randomness to Nxt than their might be of Qora, but I won't stand by that.  Qora basically looks at the time since the last block, the forgers personal balance and the total balance of forging accounts.  It then uses a fairly straight forward process to test if a block has been forged.

I haven't been able to figure out what Nxt does.  This isn't because of poor Nxt coding.  It's because I don't have the time to look into it.  If a Nxt guru is around, please comment.

Final Thoughts

My vote is, no, this is not a clone.  If Qora was inspired by Nxt, I would make the guess that he read up a lot on it, possibly read through the source and thought "I can do that" and gave it a go at writing his own application.  Qora uses mostly different libraries and is structured significantly different.  

I also assume that Qora is a professional day-time coder, who works with a team of devs at a software firm or possibly large company.  Nxt feels like good, solid code, but it doesn't adhere to strict practices that big-team developers tend to follow since they are use to having to organize and share  code with co-workers.  I know that open source projects are often shared across devs, but having worked in both environments I can attest that "good" developers, in both areas of software engineering tend to have different coding approaches and styles because requirements differ.  Qora feels like it's written by an experienced, professional business coder, while Nxt feels like a large, open source project.

One piece of software isn't necessarily better than the other but they look VERY different.  This adds to strong evidence supporting that this is almost certainly NOT a clone.

Big thanks mate, would you mind posting in nxtforum too?
644  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 09, 2014, 10:46:50 PM
Nice Smiley

We need some news articles written.
645  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 09, 2014, 02:26:01 AM
So, no one at all can help me get my wallet on the correct fork?

Seriously...This is a new thread we dont need these types of posts. If you have issues post about it but dont expect people to drop everything to work on your problem.

I have never had any issues with deleting the data folder then downloading again.

Try it a few times if it still did not work.

Any issues recover from seed.

These types? Really. These are the types of posts that should be here. People having problem using the coin and wallet are the types of messages I have no problem with. IF the moderator want's to delete posts of people asking for help with the coin and wallet then go for it.

No, I didn't expect everyone to DROP everything. But, it was quite a while.

That all said. I expect it is the nodes. So, I figured someone that had a wallet on the correct flork could take a minute or two to give me a good known node list.  

I did not say that due to you asking a question. I take issue with you implying no one was willing to help you which was not correct. These "types" of posts have no place in this new thread .
646  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 08, 2014, 02:36:56 AM
So, no one at all can help me get my wallet on the correct fork?

Seriously...This is a new thread we dont need these types of posts. If you have issues post about it but dont expect people to drop everything to work on your problem.

I have never had any issues with deleting the data folder then downloading again.

Try it a few times if it still did not work.

Any issues recover from seed.
647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 06, 2014, 09:37:13 AM
Well one thing is for sure, If Qora ever gets out of this bear market and gains momentum, no one can justifiably claim that qora distribution is poor.

True that  Smiley
648  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 04, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
Cant wait for the 9th. Will happily put some money in to get some decent articles written.
649  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 03, 2014, 04:19:02 AM
I agree.
650  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source December 9 on: December 03, 2014, 12:54:16 AM
Lets do this boys and girls!

7 months holding and increasing my stake  Smiley
651  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 30, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Keep forging~

Qora really needs forging balance leasing.
I guess many people don't forge because they fear to loose their coins when they are on a online machine. Also with balanced leasing you don't have to be online, you can simply lease your balance to someone that is online.

Well that is why we have secondary passwords so we can unlock to forge without risking our balance. Second bit i would agree if doable.
652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 30, 2014, 07:01:04 AM
Keep forging~

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Name:   qora
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Date Registered:   March 14, 2014, 02:20:00 AM
Last Active:   November 29, 2014, 08:23:49 AM

Come on guys Qora is working away in his bat cave.
653  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 27, 2014, 02:30:48 AM
we'll just bought another 20 million yesterday and about 150 million since May.

Qora will survive and thrive Smiley
654  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 13, 2014, 06:53:51 PM
I don't know why so many people are targeting me as a scapegoat for Qora's failure.
I never logged on other accounts here.
I never set ""walls"" either buy or sell side
I never tried to dump or pump the price
I always tried to help this currency
Wtf is you guys' problem with me?
All I did was purchase some Qora because I saw some value in it. And that's what you guys wanted. You wanted someone to buy, specially rabbiter. Once someone does that you get angry.

I've recently decided to sell all my Qora though. I need btc, I need money, I need to pay dzarmush and I need to decrease my risk exposure to Qora. Fast. And most important, it seems I'm so undesired so I don't feel comfortable owning a lot of a currency if the community doesn't like it/me.
I haven't sold nearly nothing of what I plan on selling, I only sold 12m qora so far and I own and want to sell 1 billion Qora so I was not the person who dumped. I'm not selling in huge chunks so I'm not setting ""walls"" either. In all honesty I don't think those are walls either. I think people want btc/xcp now and are scared about certain rumors. I cannot take such risk.
If someone wants to buy really large amounts of Qora for 7 satoshi each please do let me know. We may use escrow. If you buy a lot we may negotiate a better price.

Why not send back the Qora to dzarmush firstly?
655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 06, 2014, 07:05:29 PM
I agree rlh. I believe CYIAM devs would want Qora to succeed as much as anyone if it is the first coin to compliment AT.

656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 06, 2014, 10:58:31 AM
Where is the dev?

programming...
657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [EQX] EquinoxCoin | POS | POD | EqxCloud MediaServices| Bittrex on: November 03, 2014, 11:41:39 AM
where is Unsold COIN..??it's use for DUMP price ICO coin...??

It has been sent to an address that no one has the private key for.
658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [EQX] EquinoxCoin | POS | POD | EqxCloud MediaServices| Bittrex ICO - CLOSED on: November 03, 2014, 02:30:30 AM
800
659  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [EQX] EquinoxCoin | POS | POD | EqxCloud MediaServices| Bittrex ICO - CLOSED on: November 03, 2014, 01:56:05 AM
In preparation of trading... Here are the final stats

8183635.95613014 were sold.

13416364.04386986 will be destroyed to a public address with no known private key (http://earlz.net/view/2014/10/22/0340/provably-spendable-altcoin-burn-addresses)

http://blockexperts.com/eqx/tx/12cc499ff51c618ac0eb91989b0034eccd6fc126c92da414bed5361e982b3344

thanks,
richie@bittrex

Can you please enable deposits?
660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source on: November 02, 2014, 07:29:13 AM
so what's going on with AT implimentation?  heard you guys were gonna be the first

Going to take a month or 2  Smiley They are actively working on it.
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