Is there a link to further detail on what you mean by creating/moving to a 'blockDAG'? Had a look on google on what it is but there isn't much that is concise - interested in what it means for Horizen perspective.

The recent announcement was only focused on not shifting the algorithm despite asics, which is why you see frustration on this forum. I didn't see any detail about a blockDAG protocol that would somehow allow single GPU solo mining down the track. If this was explained, you could allay some concerns.

I mean, if you look at this article from just last week, it details Horizen's commitment to ASIC resistance and the blockDAG protocol as two separate things: https://www.finextra.com/pressarticle/75156/zencash-rebrands-as-horizon

Quote: In collaboration with established partners, Horizen plans to research and develop a ZenVault wallet, blockDAG protocols for significantly increased scalability, and ASIC mining resistance.

So is a blockDAG protocol related to asic resistance? And if so, how?

Yeah it's a massive backflip. All the previous zencash/horizon articles have been about 'listening to the community' and 'researching asic resistant algorithms'. Then overnight it's like, oh, well ignore those articles, because we're staying an asic coin because you know, it takes a lot of time and energy to change algorithms.

I'm not an expert on how much work it takes to make algo changes, but with a 10 percent block reward going to development, they should be able to make it work.

Also, the team knows for a fact that the 'do nothing' decision supports centralisation of zen, not decentralisation or community empowerment. It is almost a guarantee that if a community voting mechanism was in place today, it would support a move away from ASICs. The decision to stay with Equihash goes against (what I thought) are the objectives of Horizen to create a decentralised currency and platform. To me, the decision to support the Asic manufacturing industry is extremely disappointing.

Moving to a blockDAG should allow us to collapse the difficulty to a point where single GPU solo mining is possible once again. This has been talked about for 8+ months now and has always been the mid term solution we're aiming for.

The recent decision simply means that we aren't willing to risk a drop in hash by shifting parameters.

The real solution to decentralise mining is and almost always has been the blockDAG, that's why it's a fully funded project that's already well underway.
Rowan Stone

Are you serious some GPU miners will stay? I was a GPU miner until those z9 equihash ASICshit. I had 13 x GTX 1080ti  and 4 x GTX 1070(ti) on ZenCash. Do you honestly think I am still mining Zencash when I can do more on ETH or other coins? You are on the bottom of every coin calculators web sites when I calculate most profitable coins.

And by the way I bought a Z9 and I will NOT mine Horizen but Zcash.

But thanks, it was a very cool project until recently

All of the small guys buying ASIC's to mine this coin will soon find out the hard way just as I did a long time ago mining Bitcoin with ASIC's; that they cannot compete with the manufacturers.  The only community this crackpot team will have remaining will be operators of secure nodes and super nodes along with a few centralized ASIC manufacturers.  And probably some speculators on the exchanges.  As far as actually USING this coin?  Hell no!  I'm pointing everyone towards Monero.

Moving to a blockDAG should allow us to collapse the difficulty to a point where single GPU solo mining is possible once again. This has been talked about for 8+ months now and has always been the mid term solution we're aiming for.

The recent decision simply means that we aren't willing to risk a drop in hash by shifting parameters.

The real solution to decentralise mining is and almost always has been the blockDAG, that's why it's a fully funded project that's already well underway.

For some reason he got in contact with me on facebook. Changed name to stay incognito but I documented the conversation and uploaded it to google drive. He calls himself Papa Parlante on facebook. Where does Papá part come from though? I have read on moon pale forum complaints of people dazzled at strange Papá folder in profile folder directory. He copied the name from there.

Exactly how is ZEN CHAT going to work on a phone anyway?  I understand they will have an app maybe for your phone.  Tell me exactly how that's going to keep the NSA, Apple, Samsung, etc... away from still seeing every single keystroke you make?  The ONLY way to keep key strokes encrypted is to stroke keys on an external hardware device; like Trezor for example.  Your key strokes can easily be seen on a desktop, laptop and mobile phone by other means before it's sent through an app to be encrypted and go on the blockchain.

The ONLY way ZEN is going to pull this off is to create an external hardware device.  

Is someone going to honestly carry around an external hardware device to connect to their mobile phone via bluetooth to chat to someone by typing on that external hardware device?  Good luck getting people to do that.

If people want their data PRIVATE, they would need to keep it on a different external device that encrypts the data before the data actually goes through another device and ride on the internet.  No?

So, once again, for ZEN to actually pull this off, they will need to create an external hardware device.  Preferably a device that doubles as an unlocked mobile phone with the ability to work on any carrier and connect to the ZEN blockchain via a data link.  Why preferably a mobile phone?  Because most people will not want to carry around multiple pieces of hardware for the sake of privacy.  Most don't even care about their privacy at the expense of convenience.  

The downside to creating an encrypted mobile device to keep ALL your data PRIVATE is people should not download other apps to that device that could potentially spy on them or take their coins.  They won't be able to play games on their encrypted mobile phone if their into that kind of thing.  Again, ZEN is forced to wrestle with solving the issue of "inconvenience" using such a device for the sake of privacy.  I would if someone made it available.  My major concern in that case would be, "Is this another Cook telling us our data is protected, when in reality it's not?  In the end, the user would have to TRUST the word of the manufacturer and/or provider that there really is no way for ANYONE to have a key to the encryption to actually see our data, etc...

If I'm wrong, please correct me...

MedaR, not sure how nobody noticed but "sidechain" is misspelled in the new signatures.

By the way, how do you measure the success of this rebranding effort? What did you hope to accomplish, and what was accomplished thus far? Is this in any of the recent videos?

Looks good.
I have a question, are they signatures for free supports or are there paid-signature campaign on the way to open in the coming days?

Awesome are the new signatures there because a bounty campaign is coming up?

You see alot of coins doing bounties when just starting up, but I think there is value in doing it with more established projects - particularly when there is a rebrand!