Testing a change - new minimum deposit size. Edit: additional transactions also 1BTC minimum - I don't want to be adding single santoshi's to peoples balances each day.
Deposits PM me for a deposit address - this will be your unique account address.
Currently deposits paying 1.5% per week. Calculation is 1.015^(#days/7) To maintain adequate reserves, I may limit deposits, and you’ll need to contact me ahead of time before sending your coins so I can set up a unique deposit address for you. Terms are generally on-call and a 1 BTC minimum. While I try to accommodate at-call withdrawals, it can be delayed. By default, accounts are compounding. For accounts greater than 10 BTC a weekly interest payout option is available. The current 1.5% per week will be maintained until further notice.
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Most people have a minimum because there is transaction cost.
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4: I might have a reasonable amount tied up in bitcoin land, but I know there are people with much more invested than I have. I don't need to be swamped by someone wanting to shift 100,000BTC from A to B ten times a day when that would defeat the point of providing services to a range of people.
Can you please elaborate on that? Are you saying you don't want large accounts? Or a lot of transactions? It's not clear to me. If you look at some of the larger holdings, there are many (enough) people with 20k+ that they have tied up in single places (like trading on Gox or in BS&T) so total individual holdings would be much larger. If I am to provide a sensible service to a sufficiently wide range of people, then holding very large accounts could dominate available resources to the detriment of the wider community. Also, having a larger number of accounts and transactions helps with the risk and diversity which is why a conventional bank with 100,000 accounts can carry such low operating liquidity. As an example, for Starfish, there are currently 30 active deposit accounts and over the last month I have returned eight as people have chosen to reinvest or sell coins with the price rise. Balancing the on-call nature of deposits and the fixed term nature of loans goes straight to the level of float required (and inactive coins). Having a lot of smaller accounts helps, and conversely a few large ones doesn't. Putting it another way, I would simply be uncomfortable having $1M tied up in bitcoins and being exposed to someone for $100k. Prompted by comments, I'm going to trial 1BTC minimum deposits.
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Thought I would start a new thread for this topic rather than placing on page six of Starfish BCB. What I'm looking for is feedback and ideas because while I am very good at some things, I am less good at dreaming up ideas and working out what the community wants.
Starfish BCB provides some pretty basic services. It runs deposit accounts, provides PPT if people really want it, does lending and financing. Pretty simple - money in and money out. It is a little unusual as it appears to be one of the few "banks" that is still active on both sides without relying on BS&T and that was a deliberate decision from January.
Most people also know that I have a BS&T account from 2011, have invested in many GLBSE companies, some non-GLBSE companies and do the occasional trading arbitrage on my own account.
I have also (as informal services) acted as escrow on a reasonably sized transaction, provided a non-domiciled purchase for someone, and also provided approx USD$10k for someone that needed a quick international payment while Gox was holding their funds (needless to say - trusted client). I have also been asked to provide lines of credit (overdraft) facilities and underwriting for different ventures. However, currently these tend to be one-off, favours or for some other reason.
So, for the creative types, what actual banking services would you like to see? To start you off, here's a few things I actually think would work (with a bit of implementation effort or possibly huge angst): 1: A BTC virtual credit/debit card - essentially an online line of credit that you could draw on and then make payments off the balance (and no, I don't necessarily need to know how it works yet) 2: FX payments - not sure if the major exchanges are handling this really well or not, and I'd probably get caught up in the AML stuff quite quickly. But there are some stiff margins charged by conventional banks around the world.
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3: What else drives you crazy in bitcoin land that would be valuable.
Other important things. 1: If I'm extending credit or transferring cash these are not anonymous service offerings I'm talking about, so if you think this is for hiding below some radar forget it - I need to know who I'm dealing with and too bad if you don't like it. (deposits are less onerous) 2: Currently I have been doing this as an individual. I can put it all under a properly regulated company structure if required (I have a spare one already) if customers would prefer that. 3: All this stuff takes time and effort. Services are not free, and that's why I take a margin between loans and deposits. 4: I might have a reasonable amount tied up in bitcoin land, but I know there are people with much more invested than I have. I don't need to be swamped by someone wanting to shift 100,000BTC from A to B ten times a day when that would defeat the point of providing services to a range of people.
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Thank you Patrick! One thing though, there are some non-Pirate bonds/securities in the Pirate/pass-throughs section? Not as far as I know - all the ones listed are pass-through in one form or another. As I said in the OP, it's based on research and that might be wrong. You're not confusing the GLBSE section (#4) as that has a mix.
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Bump - OP updated. Interesting adding in the other pieces, but took a long time so not keen to build this from scratch again. Most of the data is now in a handy spreadsheet that I can update and cut/paste into the OP when changes occur.
And the best value non-Pirate fixed interest thing today appears to be TEEK.B at 2.9% per week.
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Having pulled another few thousand out of crypto this week (24 hours for an international wire is one of the fastest I have received), the scammers are still the Australian banks charging 8% currency spreads costing me extra hundreds of dollars going to their profit margins. Locally it's only 4% and other places are even less.
Didn't see any liquidity problem.
8%!!! The worst I've ever seen was at Brisbane Airport where the AUD/USD buy/sell spread was 30%. It's cheaper for me to buy Australian cash outside of Australia than doing so locally. Similarly, for the money I have in my AUD account in Aus, it's too expensive to send back to my local account, so I'll wait until I pass through an airport and visit the closest ATM and extract it. As for the back on topic - other than a trading glitch I saw on the BTC/USD screens a few days ago, have not seen any other problems with CryptoX or them being taken out of circulation by the OP's actions.
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Patrick, I'm trying to keep tabs on my balance by hand. On what day do you pay interest?
Thanks
You asked for compounding so that is what it is doing. Otherwise payment would have been this morning (about 9 hours ago). You can also check your balance in the occasionally updated post (above) or pm me.
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cool, move it to OP maybe then
It would mess up the OP somewhat, and hiding as post #97 had some appeal. Happy to change depending on customer wishes/feedback.
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I decided to capture the last sixteen characters of the deposit address as that is harder to trace, and anyone may request their address/information be removed. I'm also likely to simply edit/update this particular message than clutter the thread. 2-Nov-12 9:30 a.m. (UTC+13) Address Balance YzmKy6QGZ42giAvP 2164.8220 ED5tnPErq5GFixns 1122.0505 wqSKS4u5zajKMaue 1059.4294 7BmhoeTnPaENyUgo 674.9557 ED5tnPErq5GFixns 662.9718 6pg4NhcoVqCcP3W7 519.5491 PsHCai6pF2UH1475 512.4838 F5iNjvHAwEJGaDyX 480.2990 .. 345.2324 w2QDq5CkRjfnaRae 341.8231 LgdPH3ZSnnHVnukL 335.0771 wHpp7P58pr3TUE6u 333.7647 39dVpU7GL2ByGUm4 268.3168 ASDh4a58NLZgZ1H9 267.1016 4PxjjymkZzowJwFj 226.5697 cNwkyQaZAQhaYjjD 213.7370 2seux6gEKzvPu3mb 131.1495 JM4i5jUKgAHx1mT9 123.0876 1k1v21HjscirRaq7 111.7313 t2ReQDVCkTSkNHoN 110.4658 BbgCusBmMqe5Knot 101.6878 Fqh6WbHKVjeyeiLb 99.0000 i9a94q4pPKLTNvGB 99.0000 oPf9LdHJS6SzgwCc 96.0000 zfeaNKpjCGjdBtp8 96.0000 sUfAT86PpZjn65eE 78.9661 AsDTL2W3Fiqtay39 71.8884 fmbgmVFGyE8CdwGo 67.0742 i62ewviw6ie969ku 58.7401 bKiitNJTT6WYMhLB 56.0000 YnLVHNJNXdupC4oS 52.9306 673PVLs4Rx9dfhbK 51.6079 7AzQa1DsMaRpnn1t 50.9611 jquPPc2f3gteXtCp 49.8432 EqmLAmpGWVGsy5x4 49.7553 m1iFZx1Y94B5vRE5 48.9212 zP3tCq4aRSUmusyJ 48.5463 uTcxgkJCagsUZisM 48.3971 8ed2G6iijWFZFC8y 41.6169 gJLEPSMhytDfymGr 40.8146 yxLQxPj69Jfz8QTj 31.3680 wqmamk7DPH1zFTGL 29.5142 rUmC2RLVWMnm9NuS 28.5553 0 27.4674 pfizuVzfM499G8N6 26.9104 2ByNQd7UamK4R4ME 24.3592 h5XbGV15kWEdcVwV 21.0000 85sGWfHpKFdb5iEa 20.9194 8uaehBnd1hXTv767 20.6347 Xvje9vkyqBhisD2b 18.7225 Fmirn4mBCqK41FNw 16.4846 7ePuNsWbaFDqdAVZ 16.3813 3MP2mpWgVGvAYkqU 11.5802 2wB6jpPNeFNtNB4Q 6.7845 jF92fjEjQrALmaFL 6.3253 syRzBTKSPgmD2Dcn 0.6865
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My depositors can answer you better than me. I can't tell you how I invest my funds, sorry! How are they 100% guaranteed? I can also say that my deposits are 100% guaranteed, but that wont be true, because if smth will happen to me\pirate they will be lost. Pirate also says that they are 100% secure, what is the difference?
The difference is diversification. 7% is scary and unsustainable. 2% is unsustainable more slowly, and ciuciu has a limited capacity. Of course I also have funds with pirate; I'm greedy. 2% is eminently sustainable. ciuciu has taken on a level of risk that he feels comfortable with, and has personal resources to cover all of the liabilities that he is taking on. Typically, the "guaranteed" term is applied where someone has the ability to cover all of their obligations even if their investments turn sour.
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I think I've mentioned my position directly - but might be interested in buying some more (or selling if the price is good).
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Meant to post this earlier. Paid off my current loan with Mr. Patrick today.
Thanks again for the no hassle loan and I will be back!
-Derek
Yes he did.
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I think I had better sub to this one.
[Starfish waves at DB and imsa]
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I was thinking about requests for balance updates and wanted to know if having the unique deposit address and the balance in a table would be useful (with a time stamp). A sample table would look like this (not real addresses or balances, but linked to my current data with a simple cut/paste): Address 20-Jun-12 17:44 Balance
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I have a few new opportunities that will continue to provide reasonable income/backing for deposits, so I am continuing the 1.5%/week until further notice.
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This thread is always one of my first stops. Thanks a lot for the effort - much appreciated!
Now you're making me feel bad I haven't had time to update it. My lame excuse is that I'm doing paid work/day job instead of this. where can we send you a coin or two? having this thread stickied and up-to-date is in my best interest my best interest my best interest sorry keyboard got stuck in a loop. Actually, while I have other ideas for fee-for-service in the banking services arena to run via Starfish, I would prefer not to accept donations or payments for the time I put into this - it would give me a potential conflict of interest.
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This thread is always one of my first stops. Thanks a lot for the effort - much appreciated!
Now you're making me feel bad I haven't had time to update it. My lame excuse is that I'm doing paid work/day job instead of this.
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What would be nice is an imbedded spreadsheet for the forums, for information like PatrickHarnett is doing. It would make things a lot easier.
Great job & great idea by the way.
You can use tables, although it's hard to visualize. I saw someone use a table in a pm, so while cumbersome, I think I can set it up externally before importing it.
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Yes, links are going to need to be added, as well as a section for GLBSE offerings (like BDK's 1% bond) and those with some restrictions too (especially those with restricted capacity).
The basic structure I started with was posting approximate monthly rates for: 1: The big board: established deposit takers without restrictions on deposits. 2: The small board: For those that are new to deposit taking, less than 2 months and without history of paying back.
So now it will need: 3: Restricted schemes: limited availability like EIEIO. 4: GLBSE offerings: Bonds/deposit instruments like PPT.x or BDK.BND
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