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We would like to bring you back into the community. 

What questions?

You are helping as we can track the clickthroughs coming from bitcointalk and the specific threads they come from. 

What specific issues.

We would like to provide a bonus for you to come back in and enjoy the great community, but I guess we need to answer some questions you have?

I am reassigned but not far!  I do take this too personal because I see how hard this team works and what we are trying to deliver to everyone.  It's a special group that continues to just give and give more to the great players we have and continue to get everyday.

Sincerely,

Jessica

If you'd like to have me back, simply unban my account.

If youd like to know what I want you to respond to, simply go back and read what I've already said to you in your threads on this forum.

Or, you will find more concise versions at either of these forums:

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/betcoin-ag-disgrace-online-poker-bitcoin-1571872/



Looking forward to it!

We agree.  Jessica is a very passionate individual who takes things very personally and we have had to work with her on this.  When Betcoin is attacked she feels attacked and she responded inappropriately in this situation.  We have stated many times that we value Dooglus' feedback tremendously and are using it to make some good improvements.  Jessica has been reassigned for the time being and she was not aware of the reasoning behind Dooglus' negative trust rating when that message was written.  We apologize for that comment in full and appreciate you providing your humble opinion.

Thank you for playing with us.  Everything continues to get better at Betcoin Casino and the entire network and we will continue to improve it. 

We would actually much rather have you back in the community. Our staff is working on much of the great feedback you and all of our players have provided. I am the forum rep and as advised by owners, staff etc. going back and forth in a forum is never productive, but staying on the first page in the thread is very beneficial for Betcoin as the referrals from BitcoinTalk have never been higher. We will continue to work hard to make everything as perfect as possible at Betcoin and you will always be welcome back.

"We would actually much rather have you back in the community"

Much rather than what?
You disable my account ban my ip without explanation then tell me you'd rather I wasn't banned?
Why did you ban me in the first place? If you'd rather I wasn't banned why not simply un ban me?
I think it's because you know I won't stop asking questions that you don't want to answer.
Why did Betcoin ignore me for the weeks leading up to my first post about this issue here?

Much rather than ban you. We don't want to ban anybody.
Even you stated in an earlier message you can see why you have been banned.
You can ask as many questions as you want and we encourage it. Notice we have never asked you once to stop posting. As the forum rep, I have never been busier!
Betcoin is working on many things brought up from all of our great players and will get to everything in time.
Again, we appreciate your vigor and posts. You should be earning from the traffic you are sending over.

You've already banned me.

If you would rather I weren't banned, you would unban me. Please stop saying things that conflict with the actions of Betcoin.

I can ask as many questions as I want only because you can't stop stop me.

If you could, you would.

You've proven that by deleting the same questions when I asked them on your forum and eventually banning me so I couldn't ask them in chat.

I still have not received answers to many questions even months after asking them.

Acting as if I am helping you by exposing your lies and unethical practices is just childish and I can't see how anyone would believe you would ban me from your site for doing something that you were glad I was doing.

Yes, you have been banned.

Yes, the community is a lot smoother and we can focus on fixing remaining issues and adding future additions.

We would not stop you, because this is the proper forum for it. We would encourage you as you ask important questions. We are working on a wide variety of things right now from all of our members including you but asking multiple times a day just is not necessary.

You are definitely helping bring in new users and we appreciate it.

Again, I am just the forum rep and this has also been a good experience for me as well.

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Thank you very much. Hope that heads-up will come back as soon as possible. It was my prefer game modality 

Dooglus, we had nearly 200 players on dice alone in the last 24 hours with no errors, but you seem to have an issue.  Does this have anything to do with your negative trust rating here at BitcoinTalk?  What is going on here?  I am just the forum rep but we have had no reported problems in the last 2 months and all of a sudden I see this.  You certainly have no tickets at Betcoin.ag on the matter.  

Jessica

With everything going on I had to come share my experience at Betcoin.

Betcoin is my place to play because from day one they have kept their word with me...

I respect Betcoin's integrity. I am in a unique position to see just how sincere and deep it runs.

Because we share the same passion: to create a safe and pleasant environment for you bitcoin players to call home.

Because the Betcoin Staff and Dev team, know how to make a cake from scratch, I look at Betcoin.ag as one stop shopping...I look back to where Betcoin came from, to where Betcoin is now, and to where it is going with Betcoin.ag as a Haven. It even gets to feeling like a home game with the camaraderie and the feuds between players.

I love the VIP, i just hit emerald II and it gets pretty juicy now....It beats any out there that i know of... and is less complicated by far...

Most of all i just love the Betcoin.ag community .... and the Betcoin.ag forum,(that allows us to know each other)
that allows players to help other players.... and i always get a warm fuzzy feeling when i see that happening... I truly look forward to seeing all the Betcoin.ag members daily....

~~plo8

We can't control if some bitcointalk members think other bitcointalk members are trolling or not. 

Not sure how you inferred that, but I can assure you that I was not at all implying that you are preventing anything from happening. And for that matter, nor was I implying that Betcoin or anyone else was preventing anything from happening neither. The only thing I meant or implied by what you quoted me on was only exactly what I wrote. I can bullshit a lot here and in other parts of the forum as well as outside it. But when it comes to serious topics I try to choose my words carefully.


That's your viewpoint and opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. Who am I or anyone else  to tell you what you are supposed to think. I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you though. And I can only speak for myself, but when I make posts endorsing the merits and services Betcoin offers, I am literally doing just and only that - endorsing the merits and services of Betcoin and nothing more. And I stand by all the posts I've made doing so. Other people may have had different experiences with Betcoin then me obviously, but I can only go with my own personal ones.

How Betcoin takes that or how you or anyone else takes it including other businesses, I have no control over. I'm not going to include a disclaimer with every endorsement I make itemizing the things I am not endorsing. Yes, I get what you are saying, but I just don't see it that way from my standpoint. If hypothetically, I wanted to convey that I endorsed any kind of mishandling of issues that you've brought up, then I would just do so in plain terms.  Like I said, I can only speak for myself.

And no need to try to infer or figure out any mysterious meanings in any of my posts. Just take them literally as is. Trust me. 

This is the first time I've worried about betcoin being a scam.

One thing all scam site threads have in common is that negative criticism, no matter how valid, is rejected as "FUD" or "trolling".

Is that the best you can do? How about actually addressing the concerns people have raised rather than claiming that there is a "discussion" going on, while discounting the views of anyone who disagrees with you?

Meanwhile the dice continue to roll my way:



and I'm having no trouble at all withdrawing my winnings:



So if it is a scam, at least it is "paying" at the moment...

Please guys, if you're legit, step up your game and get on top of the customer support situation.

Based on the price when you bought in of Bitcoin to USD or of USD to Bitcoin?  See that's where the problem lies....somebody is going to be losing something somewhere because of Bitcoin's volatility.

Hyperbole:  If the price of bitcoin dropped from $400 to $0.25 would you expect the WPN to pay you (17% rake back on a $40 fee) 27.2 BTC = $6.80 in rake back or would you expect to be paid back (17% rake back on a 0.10BTC fee) 0.017 BTC = $0.00425 in rake back?....See it goes both ways so somebody will lose somewhere with that reasoning....see the complications?

Sometimes there's not an answer that's both satisfying and simple to relay, especially when dealing with somebody who feels wronged.

Theoretical rake is the rake the system states that you generate based on your play during that time frame based on the current rake amounts on that table.  It's theoretical because it does not take into account if there was a promotion giving you 100% rakeback or happy hour of some sort.

 We had to go back through all of your play as we always do in order to be as thorough as possible.  

Also don't forget about the actual rake being half of the rake of our competitors!

Pretty cool that we are adding a new page everyday on our thread and getting some very good click through from a great discussion!  Keep it up everyone as all feedback suggestions and recommendations are welcome anytime!

Well, my rake back at ACR and BCP is 17% and that's USD, but my rake back at Betcoin is still only 10% (it changes according to VIP level but it doesn't at ACR or BCP) and that's bitcoin.  

But, say for example, I played the $500 + $40 tourney at Betcoin, but when I bought in, bitcoin was worth $400.  Then, when the tournament ended 12 hours later, bitcoins value had dropped back down to $250.  Where would the value of my rake back be pegged?  While at the same time, if I bought in at ACR (not really possible) for the same amount, my rake back would still be pegged at the original buy-in value.  See where the confusion lies?  It really is more complicated....I was just trying come up with an example to illustrate some of the dynamics that have to be dealt with between the two markets.

Since your beef seemed directed at Betcoin, I purposefully stayed out of it all since I'm sure Betcoin is capable of fighting its own battles in their own way. That and I didn't want to directly muck up your course of action by posting comments which might be taken as trolling. But since you appear to be calling me out by quoting me, I'll go ahead and bite. (Not in the mood to do anything else right now since my Dallas Cowboys lost ugly today.)


How do you feel about the issues which have been brought up over the past several pages of this thread?

I do think pretty much all of the issues you and others have brought up are very valid. It's no joke anytime reputations, integrity and money is involved/at stake.


Did you read them?

Yes.

From the no collusion freeroll, a cheater getting a second chance, BBJP funding, missing status points, ddos cheaters, noncompensations for funds lost due to cheaters, the wpn satty points issue, let's see, what else, deleted posts/threads on the betcoin.ag community forums, shill posts in the community forum and here on bitcointalk, how all these issues have been handled by support via tickets, support chat, community chat, community forum threads/posts.

There may be more so forgive me if I'm missing anything else.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I gather, you don't have a problem as much with the actual mistakes made, but moreso with how they are/were handled by betcoin staff,  reps and support. At least that's what I remember reading in some of your posts.


Do you not believe they happened?  Or do you think it's acceptable?

I do believe the issues you brought up occurred. The initial mistakes themselves, I can accept. How these initial mistakes were subsequently handled, I do find somewhat dubious in some aspects. So I would lean towards the way some things were handled as being unacceptable.  In other cases, without going into detail, I have no opinion either way.

However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.


Not trying to attack you, just not understanding how or why so many are choosing to endorse Betcoin because they they don't have issues with withdraws/offer WPN tourneys/have low rake etc...while acting as if none of the problems within the thread even exist.  If you don't believe me, or think theyre no big deal I would understand, but why not say so?  If you want to do some good for Betcoin, prove I'm wrong.

How and why I am I choosing to endorse Betcoin other than because of all the pros and in light of the issues you bring up? I'll repeat what I just wrote above: However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.

Form whatever judgments and opinions of me for continuing to give Betcoin my action as you wish, anyone is certainly entitled and welcome to do so.

As far as proving you wrong, I feel no compelling need or desire whatsoever to do so. If your intentions with this whole endeavor are genuinely in the name of helping out the poker community and not because you are butthurt, then more power to you. If your crusade helps those for whom the issues you bring up about Betcoin are a dealbreaker as far as choosing a poker site where they will be happy, then good on ya too. Respect.

However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.

Part of the confusion, and the part that's hardest to explain, is that the WPN operates in US dollars.  When we deposits bitcoin into the main WPN skins, it is immediately converted to US dollars and the value remains stable.  But, when we  deposit at Betcoin, our deposits remain bitcoin and the value fluctuates with the US dollar.  So, it is difficult to pin a specific value on the rake back because it will fluctuate with the price of bitcoin.  The confusion is caused by the differences in the two markets and how the two markets try to compensate for Bitcoin's volatility.

I say that it's only part of the confusion because the other part is that Betcoin also offers a higher rake back on there "in house" games than the WPN provides for their network games.  I suspect that Bitcoins volatility, along with the differing rake back programs, is the reason why we can't play in the network cash games from Betcoin anymore.  It's just too complicated to state simply.

We have many players that play regularly now and if it wasn't accurate, you would hear from them all.

i have played on betcoin for some time,


i have only positive feedback, i made some cash out without problem


and about the freeroll i have only to say tnx for this free opportunity

I was playing dice today and saw this error message when I tried to place a bet:

  "Maximum profit that can be earned is 1000."

Does that mean the maximum profit per bet is 1 BTC?

I think you could reasonably afford to make it a little higher if you have a bankroll of at least 480 BTC as is claimed in the thread title.

Hi Dooglus, it's because we did return most of the btc and we still ran a 10 btc freeroll to thank players for their support on top of returning funds.  This was many months ago and was handled expediently.  Ironically, most of the players were from a prop program which we no longer have, yet most of the players still play in. 

No we did not allow those players to play in the tournament but as you may know a bitcoin gaming website creates some unique challenges which we embrace. 

We have addressed all of this before and will happily address it again as we continue to move forward. 

Thanks guys!

Jessica