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661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 20, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
Oy, no one donated ? How sad.  I shall donate, then, a bitcoin for science.
Bitcoin away Smiley
662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin v2.0 features new hashing algorithm, faster on CPUs on: September 20, 2011, 01:59:14 AM
But does it run faster than on a CPU of approximately same "price and time range" ?
663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 20, 2011, 12:05:45 AM
That's plenty mean, also, most typical botnet boxen have a lousy GPU
664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 11:35:34 PM
It appears to me that there is a fundamental disagreement as to what "value" is.

Also, a fundamental disagreement as to the scope and nature of "bitcoinomy" (hence reference to GDP which seems problematic to apply to ephemeral mathematic artifacts existing only in places between computers)
665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin v2.0 features new hashing algorithm, faster on CPUs on: September 19, 2011, 10:35:27 PM
The idea of CPU mining is a noble concept but flawed.  Once you get the source code out there, someone will privately figure out how to do it via GPU's faster then on CPU's.

Not necessarily.

There exist numerous tricks and treats that render certain types of hardware relatively inefficient.

It is certainly possible to write a crypto-PoW in a manner that is outright hostile to any modern, and for the immediately foreseeable future, possible, GPU.

Ok.  It may be possible.  But possible isn't going to happen in this case.  This is simply not a single threaded type of work.  So even if a GPU is bad at it, it still will be possible to break it up.  Use lots of ram?  Ok, so some (or even 3/4's) of the GPU processing units will be idle, but that will still be many times faster then a CPU.  Floating point?   SC miners will switch to nvidia vs ATI.  The profit motive will break this thing. 

Well, there has been some work (in adjacent fields) on types of cryptographic functions that are hostile to pretty much anything but CPUs and verily complex FPGA designs.

Methinks that making something run way worse on any modern GPU than on CPU is definitely possible, though whether CH will succeed in actually ensuring GPU-hostility is something that has yet to be seen.
666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 10:31:43 PM
1) There are different countries with different electricity costs.

2) A sell-off, should one happen (that is, should an early adopter with a substantial pile of coinage still exist at this point and choose, for some reason, to part with the entire stash instead of just the part he needs to hire some hookers and buy some wine or something), would of course drop the price, however, whether that would be permanent and how would market adjust is not subject to rational analysis at this point.

Value, as a concept, is mostly voodoo (gold value being prime example)

Predicting valuation behavior of large crowds is thus not verily likely.

However, I have nothing against your coin in principle, assuming that it can be implemented "in code", which is somewhat outside my ability to argue about (though it seems much more complex than bitcoin, which is a feat)
667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin on: September 19, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
It's a kind of derelict coin.

I wonder if it just keeps on trucking because some megaminer got hit by a bus and now there's no one to shut his private pool down.

Thousands of years down the line, our robotic posthuman descendants shall unearth several ancient computers, still desperately mining i0-coins, leeching off a power line the company just never really cared enough to cut.
668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 09:48:47 PM
Why would the danger of "original coin sell-off" be greater if price of a single coin increases ("people keep buying in") ?

Also, "first adopter problem" is people just being sore lol Smiley

:sigh: I really don't want to turn this into an early adopter debate.

The danger of an original coin sell off is greater as the cost to produce a single coin increases because that means it takes more effort to produce a single coin. As it takes more and more effort to produce a single coin, the effect of effortless coins flooding the market is greater. When those coins hit the market, who will want to produce new coins any more? If BitCoins are so popular that 1 million people are mining in the future for 12.5 BTC per block (0.0000125 BTC per person per block), the effect of 25k original coins hitting the market will be, in essence, as if 2 billion coins just hit the market. The market will crash, and 25k is a small percentage of the original amount of coins.

In EnCoin, the cost to produce coins will remain stable and the threat of this is non-existent.

I suspect that the effect of said sell-off will largely depend on market environment.

You seem to imply that price of coins shall not rise proportionally (at least) upon subsidy reduction for miners. Yes, that would be a catastrophic scenario (with or withou sell-off), but I find no rational argument can be made for or against it Smiley

Should the coin price actually rise, the sell-off's devastation potential shall not be that high (and it seems to me that a significant portion of first-adopters have already cashed out).

You seem to be running with some version of efficient market hypothesis in mind, right ?
669  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin v2.0 features new hashing algorithm, faster on CPUs on: September 19, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
The idea of CPU mining is a noble concept but flawed.  Once you get the source code out there, someone will privately figure out how to do it via GPU's faster then on CPU's.

Not necessarily.

There exist numerous tricks and treats that render certain types of hardware relatively inefficient.

It is certainly possible to write a crypto-PoW in a manner that is outright hostile to any modern, and for the immediately foreseeable future, possible, GPU.
670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 09:13:45 PM

Some people will, for sure. But to expect the current 60k miners to keep on truckin when the BTC award halves is folly.


Depends on what assumptions you make as to market behavior in face of this change.

Do bear in mind that it is incredibly trivial for a bitcoin merchant to have his prices respond to market fluctuations in near-realtime.
671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin v2.0 features new hashing algorithm, faster on CPUs on: September 19, 2011, 09:08:23 PM
This is such a good idea.  Hope this saves electricity.  It is a shame we mine bitcoin to enrich coal companies and public sector unions.  Anything to lower the cost of electricity use is a mandatory switch.

Sarcasm detector has suffered a buffer overflow in its firmware, and shall remain offline for the time being.
672  Economy / Speculation / Re: EVERYONE CALM DOWN on: September 19, 2011, 09:01:49 PM
2112, which of those, in your view, are typical of bitcoin ?

I am yet to start receiving bitcoin spam...
673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
Why would the danger of "original coin sell-off" be greater if price of a single coin increases ("people keep buying in") ?

Also, "first adopter problem" is people just being sore lol Smiley
674  Economy / Economics / Re: Naked Short Selling Bitcoin on: September 19, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
Why don't you make one yourself ?

According to your claims, ye'r quite a rich lad!
675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 07:42:03 PM
Actually, what would happen when subsidy drops to zero is a fascinating subject of discussion. Completely impervious to rational analysis it seems, too (since a lot will be defined by irrational actions by large groups of people)
676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for possible successor to BitCoin -- EnCoin on: September 19, 2011, 07:07:55 PM
Okay, this is officially weirder than "inflation/deflation" argument applied to infinitely divisible abstract programmatic constructs.
677  Economy / Economics / Re: Naked Short Selling Bitcoin on: September 19, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
Such scenarios are not specific to bitcoins.
That's true, but partially. Satosh bitcoin obfuscated code base and its mizantropic build process are such that they greatly increases the chances of exploits and errors, no matter whether they are intentional or not. Add to that the attitude of majority of the supporters who claim "chargebacks never happen" and you have a extraordinarily fertile substrate for incompetency and fraud.

While I can make no argument as to quality of code, being a mere graphic designer, the build process is something a person with simpleton brainmeats like mine is definitely capable of mastering with some input from nice  souls in the community (I know this for a fact since I did craft together  and compile an alt-chain bitcoin fork to tentatively call my own Wink )

I doubt that a cleaner, neater client would save the hide of someone who hires a John Doe to write business software for him and has zero code audit (which usually comes hand in hand with hiring Does). Scenario you present is not a "bitcoin has *insert term* quality of code or documentation" issue, scenario you present is "a guy who's entire business is a bunch of code running on a box somewhere hires lowest bidder and has no audit" issue.


The icing on the cake are fly-by-night-s: mostly miners. They claim "yeah, we are in for the long term", and yet you can see one-way ticket out of the country for December 2012 (or whatever is the date of first mining knee) that is hanging from the front pocket in their shirt.

I can relate to those lads.

Having said that, I don't think that the first knee would necessarily cause a miner exodus (depending on overall market response, the opposite might happen)

This is exactly what I'm talking about:

I talked about the ones I've met and they were uniformly 100% in the spectrum of incompetents, fly-by-nights & fraudsters.
100% of bit coin supporters incompetent, fly-by-nights & fraudsters? thats quite an insult to everyone around here.

The emotions inhibit understanding. I haven't met you nor anyone else on this forum.

This whole fracas reminds me of the good old days of fuckedcompany.com. I remember marketing executives making emotional pleas in the same style as yours: intentionally distorting their mother's tongue. Commenters were joking "shiftless!", "undercapitalized!". After months of back and forth the dirty laundry was finally taken out for everyone to see. The public psychoanalysis of those well-known executives was really interesting and educational: this is an early warning sign.

The whole psychology of this is really worth studying.

Could you point me to a concise and preferably online (being Belorussian I have a hard time ordering from them amazons) sources pertaining to "The public psychoanalysis of those well-known executives" ?
I just find that turn of phrase intriguing...
678  Economy / Speculation / Re: EVERYONE CALM DOWN on: September 19, 2011, 05:36:14 PM
Regardless of Nagle's wisdom...

Bitcoin can not be thought of in the same way you think of a stock. It is a non-correlated asset class all its own. And as such, there is value for purposes of risk diversification in the fact that is it non-correlated.

A sentiment I find myself in agreement with.
679  Economy / Speculation / Re: Chart analysis: 4 month chance for rally ahead !! on: September 19, 2011, 02:47:34 PM
Wow if I gave you a chart of last months wind speed could you predict the weather for next month using this technique?

 

One has to wonder if inadequate analogies could be sold and bought in a market of some sorts.
680  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin: The Quants Dream. on: September 19, 2011, 02:40:07 PM
Incidentally, could someone remind me if trolling is against forum rules ?  Grin

I started the thread. You have already said goodbye to us all once and failed to clear off.

Please honour your word.

I am afraid that the only authority the act of starting a thread gives you is authority to close it, so you have neither ability to set up rules of your own, nor the ability to demand another agent's departure.

Also, why do you refer to yourself in plural ? Do you believe yourself to be some kind of royalty ?
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