I'll start the ball rolling. I'll buy at $7 per 100 coins (up to 2000 coins).
Hopefully there is someone who is able to improve on that offer, as it's for a good cause.
I'm in at $7.5/100coins for up to 1000coins. |
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If you expect it to become a "zero sum game" for most users anyway,
what is it good for?
Why should users want to use bitshare, instead of bittorrent, if there's actually no difference?
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I'd rather like a distributed file storage system to use bitcoins to pay/earn for/by the bandwidth and diskspace you provide to it, then filesharing that pays, you'd still need "the good files" that everyone wants to "make some coins". zooko mentioned here, that there are already people working on integrating bitcoin into tahoe-lafs. would be very cool if you could just set up a storage-node and earn coins by just providing some space and bw. |
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It's shown on your acount info-page, actually twice when there's a balance on your account. one time right after your bcaIN it says (active:yes - bcr: 2.5), where bcr (bitcoins received) is -1 on sign up and 0 once activated, once ativated it also shows btc received: 2.5 (withdrawn../left to withdraw..) right below your bcaOUT, where received is the total amount received, withdrawn is what you already got and left is what's still there.  if there's a balance and bcaOUT, the withdraw-button appears. did i miss anything? i know, it's not that clearly arranged, guess i'll have to work on design a bit.  there's some more work and improvements todo anyway, haven't had much time lately though. if you notice any bugs or probs, or have some ideas, just let me know. |
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Here's my stock client results:
PIII-M 1066Mhz win2k ~250.000
Atom N270 1.6Ghz winXP ~400.000
x2 5000+* 1.6Ghz winXP ~1.400.000
x2 BE-2350 2.1Ghz Win7x64 ~1.800.000
x2 5000+* 2.6Ghz winXP ~2.100.000
x3 720 2.8Ghz winXPx64 ~3.800.000
Olipro's 64bit-version squeezes a bit more juice out, last time i checked it's been around ~4M on my triple-core,
not to mention gpu-possibilities.
At current difficulty I would expect about a month at least to find 1 block/get free coins while generating on all those 5 machines 24/7. I might get real lucky and find 2 in that time though.
*black edition, usually extremly undervolted and set fix to 1.6Ghz, default clock 2.6Ghz, runs up to 3.2Ghz aircooled stable without any probs, results in noisier fans though, i kinda like it cool and quiet.
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1. taking payments with moneybookers = one click or so and the cash is on my account
2. taking payments with bitcoin = users have to register here, download the software, learn basics of how it works (most people already know how sites like moneybookers or paypal works), send me the bitcoins, I have to sell the bitcoins and when I sell them whats the chanse that the buyer uses moneybookers?
This shows how I feel that bitcoin is a detour.
1. on your account? what account? bank account? you dont even need a bank-account to use (or buy) bitcoins. 2. thats not true, users don't have to register anywhere to use bitcoin, they don't even need to download and install any software themselfes, they can also use webservices like MyBitcoin. and i doubt they'll get a moneybookers-account without registering one. sure, if they ALREADY HAVE one, it'd be easier to just use that, but why do u expect that? |
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When I find my niche I will not use it with bitcoin but with moneybookers so that I can earn soemthing on it  So, with using bitcoin you aren't able to earn something? why not? tell me what exactly the big difference is between moneybookers and bitcoin? can you generate moneybookers-cash anyway faster than bitcoins? doubt that, cuz you can't generate it at all, you have to "buy" it first to buy something else for it, it's exactly the same as with bitcoins, although it's still called "USD", or "EUR" instead of MBcoins. where's your point? |
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i guessed that, that's why i never used it before,
but satoshi asked (after me posting cuda-WIN-client-results), so i just tried.
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Would be nice to have it use CPU cores and GPU.
you could just use a VM to run a CPU node on the same machine. |
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And are 4 of these 5 given to satoshi and all the others working on the open source?
would be nice, i'd then even think about using it. did a few more tests on puppin's client, more to check results of gpu-OC'ing though. so far i was able to squeeze another ~10Mhash outof my GTX260, get ~42Mhash now (default clock 575/1240/1000, OC'ed 700/1500/1200). i also tested my older 8600GT, which gets about 5200khash stock, 6500khash slightly OC'ed, on a dual-core amd be-2350 (cpu gets <2000). not sure yet, what extra-power the card consumes, system without card is/was around 60Watt @100% cpu load, the card is powered by PCIe only, so it's max.+75W, my guess is <120W for the system. gpu-mining would even here be "more effective" than cpu-mining, but prolly still non-profitable. anyone tested (or able to) an ION platform yet? those are pretty cheap and using a dual-core ULV cpu they won't need much power. both testings run quite stable (OCed for about 20hrs) but didnt generate anything. guess i'm done for now, as soon as there's another client, i'll get back testing.  |
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AMD X3 @2.8ghz
->stock client
~3800khs ~150Watt
Did you try -4way? not 'til now, i just did, no difference at all with or without the switch it seems, tested systems AMD x3 720 winXPx64 AMD x2 5000+ winXPx32 AMD x2 BE-2350 win7x64 |
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What is interesting is the reports of the people producing 25,000 khash/sec with their video cards in the CUDA thread. If they are using less than 1000 watts (and should be), it would be profitable again to produce, electricity wise.
Difficulty level 1000 by year end.
i just did a short test on the lately released cuda-client, here's the results AMD X3 @2.8ghz ->stock client ~3800khs ~150Watt GTX260 ->puddinpop's cuda client ~33000khs ~200Watt cpu-work isn't profitable for me anymore, i already shut down most generators at the latest diff.step, gfx-crunching would indeed be profitable again, i don't really wanna trust a client that fondles with my balance on it's own though, so i don't use it. hopefully we'll see an open source client some day. but your joking about that 1000, arent ya? end of the year? maybe end of the week. |
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If you don't trust his code, don't use it.
i didn't say anything else, did i? i'm not asking people to hack into and modify puddin's client, i'm not even asking puddin to open his code, it's his choice alone what he wants to release, just offering some coins to another programmer, that might be willing to show us the code to proof it does what it's supposed to. I would wager that there are a number of ways that the total amount sent to the author's encoded address could be tallied. Just tracking the transfers to that address, either donations or generation commissions, can be seen within the blockchain by anyone willing to write a program to do so. If he agrees to a price, and refuses to comply, then you can be dick.
do whatever you want, track coins, workaround the auto-send somehow (nothing's easier than that), or even hack/modify the client to your needs, if your able, willing and bored enough to, that again is your choice. not a goal of mine to be dick (yuck) at all, i'd just like to use a cuda-client cuz my gfx-card is kinda bored most of the time and could do ~10times the work, my cpu is able to do, so if anyone releases one, i'm willing to donate some of my hard earned, bought and generated coins. |
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paranoid? who do you tell? those that want to stay completely anonymous, those using Tor and similar stuffs to hide theyr identities? those are paranoid anyway and they know it. believe it or not, in a closed source client anything might be possible. i already made the mistake to trust someone i know nothing about and lost a few coins, i don't think it's paranoid to be sceptical. i'm with mizery and in for another donation on a first open source cuda-client. |
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.. so I'm asking that if you use it, you send 5 me BTC for every block you generate while using it. ..
your askin'? would be cool, but seems like you hardcoded your 10%-share to auto-send you coins, as much as i'd like to reward your efforts, i really don't like that. besides that and the fact, that generating totally slows down my system (not even surfing is fun), it seems to work, it shows (!) me ~33.000khs on a gtx260, not bad (if it's true) compared to the regular ~3.800khs the triple-core-cpu gets. can't do anything else besides running it though, so i shut it down again after a short test. |
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Beware of
sabbers/stevenbucks/Steven/StevenB
bitcoin-forum -user:sabbers
bitcoin* -bca:1J7GXaJt8Fj68Z4C8nT7zNg7wPgxxFK29U | 1BXfygBCKXb7AUpwXLYBw376Ftc2xeQmFw
SecondLife** -avatar:StevenB Admiral -key:296045f9-8592-4183-b092-d8aced67a292
new -avatar:StevenB Bizet -key:e388effe-b012-4cea-922d-6146624e6705
our deal: payback within a week -> no reaction within 2weeks
2weeks later: at least a PM, he'll payback within 1-2days -> no reaction within 2weeks
2weeks later: blacklisted
still owes me ~650btc, not a big loss for me, but for bitcoin-projects (not only mine).
well, i should have known better,
after lots of blah about how trustworthy he is ("you know i will pay u back"...), i actually told him i'll never know for sure, now i do.
anyway, DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH
sabbers aka stevenbucks (and if you know about some other identities of his, please let me know)
* i'm just sure about that one address, if anyones interested in investigating more, all coins gone TO 1CAjKR8TXkQ45RJ5iCpvMMyEQo5coSp396 and 1PvHsqRK8XDn6yCXo1FQ4C4ppYVZUSGnXE (two of mine, only a single 350btc transaction on the ladder) came from him (blockcount @~72000-72850).
** his SL avatar seems deleted/deactivated, guess he opened up a new account already.
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I can't say that the difficulty increases were really surprising in any way.
difficulty increases of course weren't surprising, we can expect some more sooner or later. what surprised me was the non-responding market. if sellers have to invest more time/energy into mining, why do they still sell that cheap? i'm ok with it though, i wanna buy anyway. |
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Is It Better To Buy Or Generate Bitcoins? I'd say: it depends. if you need coins to do stuff right now, there's no guaranteed way to generate them anyway, can't be "better" that way. if you dont need coins and just want to support the network, there's no need to buy any (or generate, to try would be enough). can't even say which is cheaper, or less expensive, that again depends on where you live and what you have to invest (in power and/or hardware). for me: i just went down from ~8000khs to ~1500khs at the latest difficulty-step, so i'm actually not expecting to gain lots of coins in the near future, but still generate to help find new blocks. running a machine (that sucks up >20W) only to generate coins is already useless to me (or needs to be bought/build/invested in first) and (watching current difficulty and market-prices) will prolly result in a loss. i'm wondering anyway, why the market didn't change at all the last 2 diff.steps, watched and waited a bit, but this is it for me, i'm done generating coins. sad thing is, that i have to wait about a month to get coins from MtGox too, but i'll at least get some more than 50btc at once, we'll need some other payment-options there quick. nice article! |
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never tried, so i'm not sure about
- listtransactions [count=10] [minconf=1] [includegenerated=true],
'bitcoind help' shows it, so i guess it'll work.
you know that accepting payments sent to your IP isn't very secure, don't you?
there's no authentication at all, anyone in between you and the sender might pretend to be you and grab your coins.
why not use a (few) bitcoin-address(es) and call
- getreceivedbyaddress <bitcoinaddress> [minconf=1] and/or
- getreceivedbylabel <label> [minconf=1]
instead?
not much more work for the sender to copy a bitcoin-address, than it is to copy your IP, but coins are more likely to arrive.
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url-Rotator as a new promo-option,
add as many urls as you like and promote them using a single link.
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