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681  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin a good way to invest your money ? on: September 23, 2017, 06:27:05 AM
Bitcoin becomes my alternative to invest money that has been set aside from income. However from bitcoin, i earned a satisfying income even greater than salary had i received. So make me dare to invest more in bitcoin than to store in bank.
Absolutely, it is better to investment in bitcoin rather than putting your money in banks. Anyway, money in the banks still raning also but  it is small amount compared to what you have earned from bitcoin. If you want to double  your money in a fast way, then invest your money in bitcoin, but don't put all your money just for a single investment because it is risky.
Yes I am agree with you that bit coin will give you more profit than the interest level of the concerned bank as the  interest of the banks is constant which nighters increase nor decrease but the rates of bit coin fluctuating round the year and the chance of profitability is more than falling down of the prices of bit coin.
682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Advantages of paying with Bitcoin on: September 23, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
For me its best to buy using bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency if the seller is capable of such feature due to this following reasons:
1. The item you bought would be cheaper, since the product will not be charged with tax. In our country tax for purchases is usually at 12%, so by neglecting that amount buyer can really save a lot.
2. Faster transaction especially for me since i dont have credit cards, therefore the only way for me to buy an item online is go to an exchanger and pay them in fiat. Even COD i still have to prepare the necessary amount of fiat beforehand. So with bitcoin there is less hassle.
3. Anonymity, but I am not badly in need for this feature since the item I am buying are legal in nature Cheesy
These are my reasons why I use bitcoin in some of my purchases.

All true that you mentioned here. I feel the payments with bitcoin will make the trading easy. Because you can buy anything anywhere in the world and can pay your bills through your bitcoin wallet. Other advantage is that you do not need to change the currency into the required one that of the other country.

Just buy the commodities and other things you need and pay your bills through the internet from your bitcoin wallet.
683  Economy / Economics / Re: Moment for buying or selling? on: September 22, 2017, 06:52:10 AM
buying and selling bitcoin need smart and lucky  so you can buy by 4000$  or wait till tomorrow and buy by 3000$   this is made bitcoin power
Yep! This is not less than a golden chance of collecting as much bitcoins as you can afford than wasting time in thinking whether to buy or not. Bitcoins always decrease in value before fork and same is happening now. In November, bitcoins are for sure going to touch 5k dollars at any cost.
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Urgent need for a Bitcoin "assocation" on: September 21, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
Nice idea: Centralize a decentralized system.
 Cheesy
This is what I suspected to be happening in the future but not this soon. I don't like the idea, actually I hate it but sooner or later an association is going to take place and then everything will be as good as over. I don't want to become a part of a centralized digital economy system and I wish it never happens. All the issues can be resolved without an association also.
685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit2x Developer Jeff Garzik Removed From Github Repo on: September 21, 2017, 08:47:24 AM
if 2x does not go ahead I have to begin to wonder if the accusation against core by BCH do not hold more water.

why would you not at least increase the block size a little. Tech has clearly increased since 2009. BCH has not collapsed technically or otherwise so it shows its feasible.

I wish BCH would activate segwit, so you can have LN and larger blocks, it may also finish the issue of once and for all.





I personally don't like BCH; neither is I an obsessed bitcoin lover nor an altcoin lover. However, bitcoins is the best among all so far but without lightening network, it is not possible to speed up such a large number of transactions. Segwit 2x activation plays an essential role in further development.
686  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will Bitcoin be worth in 5 years? on: September 21, 2017, 08:08:30 AM
I only have a guess that bitcoin will be more than 5000 usd after the septembull, the bull market that will take place this September. And the end of that is at September 20. And bitcoin will go to the moon after that.
Honestly speaking, I also think that bitcoin will be able to cross 5k dollars because the price will keep on lingering between 4000 dollars and 4500 dollars before September and after that there will be an increase in the price of bitcoins. Even in the worst case scenario, it will be worth 4500 dollars.
687  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Falling...Is it Panic Time? on: September 21, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Whales did played very well with the China news about ICO as well possible banning exchanges, but its not forever, they just wanna have control over the money being invested and not to clean ilegal money as looks like were happening very easy. Bitcoin havent readjusted its value since the 1 September after the segwit incorporation process.
I think the reason for the falling bitcoin price is that banning of ICO in China because of the scam. It effect the trading in bitcoin and demand for bitcoin fell down and so is the price. But as you mentioned it is not forever. Bitcoin will soon regain its position in the market and the people took interest in bitcoin again and the price too is rising again. That was the upset came in the bitcoin path.
688  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Falling...Is it Panic Time? on: September 21, 2017, 06:41:19 AM
Everybody or most people here believes that its gonna bounce back up again, in which I agree by the fact how btc is rigged and how the economy fundamentals comes into play. But the real question here is, how long will it take this time to recover? Are you prepared to sustain long bearish market? Study BTC all year price chart coupled that with recent events in China, you should roughly be able to predict how long it gonna be able to recover this time.
Your prediction should be even more accurate when Chinese government reveals what really their plan is. Right now I would say that we should monitor first what going on in China and better remove faith out of the equation.
I have my own research and study and I suggest you do your own and don't just listen to fortune tellers here.    
Yes and the predictors has said that bitcoin price will reach up to 10000 US dollars till the end of this year. Then I don’t think there is anything to be panic. Although its price got variations in the last couple of weeks but now it is stable and is rising again and soon it will be higher than the expectations. We should just keep calm and cool and wait for the next few months. So we would find the results.
689  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Falling...Is it Panic Time? on: September 21, 2017, 06:13:27 AM
Bitcoin is dropping again, has happened a couple of time last weeks, but it is now quite steady at 4000$
No need to panic, if you believe in bitcoin, hold them for a longer time as prices will (hopely) go up again
Yes I agree with you. Falling and rising is the part of business. Sometime you will loss and sometime you will earn more than the expectations. As the people who have bought bitcoin in the early beginnings never thought that the price of one bitcoin will ever cross the 4000 US dollars. But it crossed although it starts from I think 5 US dollars in 2009. So don’t be panic and wait for good times.
690  Economy / Economics / Re: Holdings of gold vs Holdings of btc on: September 20, 2017, 03:59:38 PM
well for me it is so better to have more bitcoins that gold, bitcoin is increasing its own price rapidly while the gold can't just increase its price because of the government that manipulate it, so better to have bitcoins than gold, hold bitcoin.
I agree with you gold is the one thing that price if even it will go high it wont go high as much as bitcoin you can check all the stats of gold and al the stats of bitcoin from the last 5 years to confirm what i am saying.
There is no need to check statistics; we all know that it is the fact of this decade that bitcoins have successful surpassed gold in being the most expensive asset of the world. Bitcoins are far better for long term investments now than gold. Gold investors are frequently switching to bitcoins.
I think to make sure that gold investors start migrating to bitcoin need a further study mate, but one thing is sure bitcoin users continue to grow every day (no matter he is a gold investor or not) but bitcoin users continue to grow in different countries its fact, of course if this situtation continues then bitcoin will have chance be the most expensive asset, exceeding gold in the future

Yep! Bitcoins have clearly clean sweep bitcoins from the field of best investments. Bitcoins are now the world most expensive investments, even diamond is not capable of producing this much profit that bitcoins have generated in last few months. I don’t think so gold will be managed to keep its investors away from shifting to bitcoins anymore.
691  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I'm a beginner, I want to start trading. What should i do? on: September 20, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
Hello to everyone!
Thanks for reading my thread. Any tips and advice will be appreciated.

I have 0.5BTC and I'm not going to invest them in some risky moola because I think that in 2030 Bitcoin's price will be almost 500.000€/BTC.
I've read that trading with Altcoins can be a good strategy of investing to make more capital and hold.

But I'm completely new in this world.

1) What should I start?
2) Which platform should I use?
3) How can I analyze the Altcoins?
4) Auto or Manual?
5) From 1-10 how much is risks in trading Altcoins?

Thanks for your answer. If you have any other tips, suggestion, its highly appreciated.
I know that you are aware about the high risky in the trading. Trading is not simple and not easy. We need a lot of information before we enter to the world of cryptocurrency.
You are very much right. Trading is not a piece of cake. You really need to put in a lot of efforts and hard work to get what you aimed for. I think before even steeping into the world of trading, you need to learn all the basics about trading as well as Crypto currencies too. The only thing which will count the most is your efforts and hard work.
692  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is Holding Bitcoin a long time good way to make money? on: September 20, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
i think so risky if you Holding bitcoin a long time  , may be just 3-6 Month it's good . but , if you already got cheap or profit you should sell your bitcoin , and waiting dump again .
I think too, better not to hold the bitcoin too long, sell when it is getting profit and buy again when the price drops, because the price is now very difficult to predict then do not buy immediately, wait and observe the movement of the price, if the price going to stable you can buy because there a possibly for the price to go up
agree with you. we need money not bitcoin now. maybe bitcoin is future but remember we always can buy it later.
We can buy bitcoins later but at very many high prices. I don’t think so after five years or even two years, a common person will be able to won bitcoins the way they are pumping in recent days. If we need money, bitcoins are also money. They are just digital currencies in nature.
693  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: September 20, 2017, 01:24:25 PM
gambling in most of religion is forbidden but out of this context betting can be as wrong as right depending on the way of playing. we should not exaggerate.
correct. the actual ban is from religion and government because gambling is actually harming so many countries forbid. but for some reason gambling is still wider
I have seen one thing in my whole life that what is bad for our health is more tempting in its nature while good deeds do not attract much. However, once a person start following the right path, he succeeds in achieving inner peace. Gambling is a harmful activity yet addicting also.
694  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your first betting? on: September 20, 2017, 12:52:51 PM
I don't play casino games, but my first real bet was from a tip in the stock market around 1999. There was a new drug coming out for total bowel evacuation from a company called Inkine Pharmaceuticals.  Well, it got released and the drug fizzled out and never really got prescribed to anyone.  That's pretty much the last time I gambled that much on a stock tip--I really thought it'd be a winner.  So my first real bet and my last are one and the same.  Except for altcoins.  I've gambled with those too.
That was long ago and by now you must be an experience wise person. It is good to meet someone with wisdom on this forum. I gambled once in my life and it was a sports bet, more specifically it was on cricket. I won the bet but found that gambling was not made for me. It was not interesting for me.
695  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Different betting strategies for dice games or similar on: September 20, 2017, 12:17:19 PM
Martingale for me never works and I'm not using any strategy in dice games because it's depending on how lucky I am and how big is my bankroll.

If you aren't using a strategy how did you play then? Whenever we play a game no matter how we did it, actually we have implemented a strategy. And for sure it will differ from person to person.

I just roll the dice and put a small amount when I play dice. It's not a strategy that I can consider, I tried several strategies and most of them never worked for me so I don't want to try any strategy now.

Using a different kind of strategies to play dice game is just for our satisfaction here no methods will work fine. The random bets will get bored, so we use strategies to have fun that's it. But the actual result in the dice game is based on our luck. i also tried all the methods no use sometimes i won and many times i lost.
Dice is soo random that thinking about a strategy sounds funny to me at times. Honestly, from my experience, I can swear to god now that dice has nothing to do with tips and tricks. It is all about luck. All the winnings and losing are not under our control. So anyone who claims to have strategies for dice must be fooling himself around.
696  Economy / Economics / Re: why is it so hard to buy bitcoin on: September 19, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
What kind of payment strategy are you striving to use? I never ever had any problems making use of banks deposits or experience to face trade, if you are striving to buy bitcoin with paypal be ready to confront lots of troubles and terrible charges, there are tons of scammers and people want to safeguard by themselves.
I will agree to what you have said. There is hardly any issue and difficulty in buying Bitcoins. I think you need to choose the correct option amongst all the options which are available to you in order to buy the Bitcoins.

You can take guidance from the experts and you need to be well aware of all the scammers sitting around.
Indeed! There is a lot of difficulty for the ones who do not have enough resources to afford buying Bitcoins. I think the only reason behind it is the market price of Bitcoin which is very much high that not everybody can afford to buy it. But there are many other ways as well through which you can earn Bitcoin like Signature Campaign.
697  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it possible for the bitcoin to lose it's value ? on: September 19, 2017, 11:15:42 AM
yes it can it is depend on trust and may people trust with bitcoin there days  so ans for short time no
I think nothing of the kind is going to happen because we are seeing the continuous increase in the price of bitcoin in the market, so it means that the people are joining bitcoin business and the demand graph is going high in graph.
The demand and value of bitcoin are inversely proportional to each other, then, if the demand increase, so how the value would be decreased. Soon it would be declared a legal cryptocurrency across the world. 
You are very much right. I think this is more than impossible sort of thing to happen. The way Bitcoin is gaining the attention of so many people sitting in the market as well as investors, this will be little injustice to say this thing that Bitcoin will lose its value. In fact we can expect it to have more value in the future.

698  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: September 19, 2017, 10:37:08 AM

The idea behind the success is very simple, you have to be very very stable about the investment. This is what bitcoin investment or any trade we do asks for. Because what I have learnt since the start of my bitcoin investment is we have to give lots of time to it and keep patience for it to give us our profits, fruits whatever you call it. :-)


This is now getting very general thing to know, when bitcoin was in early stages it was very less in value and now it has gone skyrocket in short period of time. If I would have been stable and patient about my bitcoin investment at that time then I could have written my name in millionaire list. So that's the experience, invest your time and efforts that's all needed to succeed in the crypto world.
There is famous saying “Hard work is the key to success”. I think you can achieve a lot of things in your life by hard work and good motivation. Of course it is not just the only thing which you need in order to earn more money and success in your life. You need to make yourself more learned man and you need to polish your skills in a better way.
699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'll never stop buying Bitcoin on: September 19, 2017, 09:55:38 AM
same to you OPS i buy more bitcoin as it price is decrease, Because i believe it is not for long term situation, it is like what happen last august when the hard fork are been stimulated around the crypto-world. This will soar high a few weeks, i dont care about China banning of ICO as I know they do it to regulate ICO, and JP morgan says its a fraud, which he was surrounded by bitcoin traders and investors around the wall street.
All the smart investors were actually looking for a decrease as they all are well aware of the profits they can earn via spending on bitcoins. Now their time has come and definitely they won't waste this chance. I have also turned deaf ears on China and Jamie for ages now.
700  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2016/17 on: September 19, 2017, 08:35:55 AM
What will bring down Barcelona this season in the CL is their lack of defensive options. They concentrated more on signing attacking options that they forgot they have a big hole in the defense that can be exploited by fast running teams. What happens if Pique gets suspended? They do not even have someone who can hold the defensive line with as much experience as him.
Because Barcelona has just been abandoned by their star who was attacked attackers namely Neymar. Then Barcelona tried to replace it with Coutinho but never come. Then there is panic in the way Barcelona shopping so they are only focused on one position, namely the position left by Neymar.

We can all agree that Ousmane Dembele is not the ideal replacement for Neymar,  he is rather the replacement for an aging Andrés Iniesta and they are at the moment playing him out of position until they find another player with the qualities of Neymar.
If we are talking about a replacement for Neymar, then there does not exist one. He is called the dancing player. His playing style is unique and different from all. No one can be his replacement and Barca can never ever find a player like him indeed. However, they could have made a better choice for sure.
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